Next: “What Kate Does” (Episode 6-03)

Josh Holloway, you broke our hearts. Bravo. We had lowered expectations for this presumed “Kate episode,” and on most related points, we were right for having them. But for all the complaints we could readily recite from the cliché of Kate going after Sawyer actually being remarked upon to a largely flat and somewhat surreal off-island destraction — we did not hate “What Kate Does.” We both actually liked it.

And for Jen to say this about an episode with Kate’s name in the title, frankly, is no small feat for “LOST.”

On the character front, Sawyer’s crushing confession hit hard. We remarked last week that Josh Holloway’s descent into nihilism was a powerful turn, and our love for his talent only grew this week. Even saddled with on-the-nose lines like, “Do what you want with him, or anybody else,” he made us believe that this nearly redeemed man now had absolutely nothing to lose. And Dogen? Not since the introduction of creepy Benjamin Linus in Season Two have we been so confused yet simultaneously charmed by a new character. He’s mysterious and brooding, yet wry and funny… in a dignified way.

Jen thought Dogen’s pill presentation was very “Matrix.” And pointed out that Dogen’s leadership strategy, using a translator to add some distance between him and the people he leads, is something that Ben probably should have considered.

It’s a shame to think that this leader has to work with knuckleheads like Justin and (the now late) Aldo. But their two line debate over whether Jin is “one of them” or not was telling. The way Dogen was clearly concerned with Sawyer’s safe return, along with the recitation of names that Dogen called for when our losties were first brought to the temple, it’s obvious there’s something special about these specific people. Our people.

And on the mythology front, the reappearance of Claire before the final thud wasn’t even the most interesting clue. It was the diagnosis of poor Sayid, who’s not a zombie, but will possibly become one in due time. He, like Claire, has been “claimed,” and a darkness is growing within him. It seems that Claire is already lost to the dark side of the force, and the question is, who else has been so infected? The late Christian Shephard seems a good guess. These would be the agents of the Man In Black.

Claire did seem to be channeling a bit of Danielle Rousseau in her half second on screen, and she’s obviously been setting Rousseau-like traps. Also, the way Justin (or Aldo?) said Rosseau had been dead for a while seemed to suggest that perhaps our crazy Frenchwoman had a share of darkness within her as well. On the other hand, out of everyone on the island, she seemed most wary of “the sickness,” and the similarity between Sayid’s torture test and Rosseau’s car battery interrogation in Season 1 is obvious. I’m going to say Rosseau managed to steer clear of infection, just not of bullets.

One thing that stood out this week? Our friends at the temple seem to be big on free will and choice. After more than one physical scuffle with Jack, the burly guards obediently step aside when he finally decides he wants to talk to Dogen. And Dogen said Sayid had to take the pill — the poison pill — willingly. Indeed, the way Dogen asks Sawyer to stay, coupled with the way Hurley was told the alarm wasn’t to keep them locked in, suggests that our losties aren’t entirely the prisoners they think they are.

And what of the off-island storyline? There’s no doubt Kate had several moments of deja vu, from spotting Jack at the airport, to pulling the stuffed orca out of Claire’s backpack (the same whale that Aaron clutched in “Something Nice Back Home”), to hearing Aaron’s name. A name that even surprised Claire. So we get that there are links between the world where Oceanic 815 crashed and the world where it didn’t. But honestly it still seems like a distraction, a writers’ flight of “what if” fancy, particularly when the story we all thought we were following is still unfolding on the island. Sure, it was awesome to see Ethan again (talking about needles, no less), but we didn’t even see Unlocke, Alpert, Ben and friends this week. I can only hope to be wonderfully surprised with a big payoff further down the line.

  • The zombie conversation was hilarious. But Miles topped it with, “We’ll be in the food court if you need us.”
  • Dogen’s dry answers to Jack were great. “What’s that?” “A baseball.” “What’s this?” “Tea.” Reminiscent of Alpert’s explanation of a compass to Locke: “It points north, John.”
  • Doc Arzt pulls the “Taxi Driver” “Midnight Cowboy” line, “I’m walkin’ here!” Just like Sawyer did when Christian hits him with the car door in “Two for the Road.”
  • In contrast, Kate had some real clunkers. Her astonished lines with Sawyer in the temple as they looked at Sayid were, it seemed, practically a re-run of the same astonished conversation in the same dark corner as last week.
  • So is this the end of the Kate-Sawyer side of the love triangle? I hope so. I’m not sure if I can take another go ’round. There definitely seemed to be some heat on the Kate-Jack side. I don’t care who Kate chooses. I just want her to choose and be done with it.
  • It’s great to see Jin speaking English. And his desperate search for Sun is understandable. But they’ve been kept apart so long, I’m starting to forgetting the chemistry they had, and I’m afraid their reunification will be less Rose and Bernard and more “Waaalt!”
  • Locations: Honolulu International Airport (LAX), Koapaka Street (where Kate left, then came back for, Claire), Hawaii Medical Center West (where Kate took Claire) and a home in Kahala (Claire’s would-be adoptive parents’ home).

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279 Responses to “Next: “What Kate Does” (Episode 6-03)”

  1. Coolpeace says:

    @ Carol from Boston:

    My first thought about the ring was ‘It is Desmond’s ring’ but apparently not.

    here is a screen cap:

    http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1250-545.html

  2. ShannyMac3T0 says:

    @ Carol from Boston

    Rob is Mac on It’s always sunny in Philadelphia, he is the also writer & producer. Hilarious show here is a link:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXEKSNJBJRA&feature=related

    Here is Rob’s first ep of lost (season 3, ep 7:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_vcBJGdZrA&feature=related

    enjoy!

  3. Carol from Boston says:

    @Jane from IL – different ring from Desmond, here is Desmond’s ring.

    http://getlostpodcast.iimmgg.com/image/2f7fbc11316274a2caf4bb3ca3e0bcb2

  4. Ann Louise says:

    Some things my husband and I liked about “What Kate Does”
    – a welcome return to some of the character-based moments missing from last year. Amid all the running and poison pills and whiny Other guards, Sawyer’s grief over Juliet showed us just how much they meant to each other. And I for one interpreted Kate’s crying on the pier as not over herself, but over Sawyer’s loss and Juliet’s death.
    – some welcome snarkiness from Miles “And Hugo here has taken over the leadership role…” and “I’ll be in the food court.” were two gems.
    – I didn’t worry over why the sideflash was there. It ended up getting Kate and Claire to basically the same point they reached on the island, so it wasn’t out of character. Although kindly Dr. Ethan was a bit creppy; everything he said and did with Claire was a total 180, completely different from how he treated her on the island.
    And congrats for your interview on NPR before the Lost premiere! Hope it brings some new listeners to The Transmission.

  5. Carol from Boston says:

    Oops, coolpeace I didn’t see that you posted it, we were posting at the same time. Thanks for the help!!

  6. ShannyMac3T0 says:

    @ Patty from snowy Virginia The episode titles have always been very telling which is why I thought the same thing about What Kate does as opposed to What Kate did but then I thought about it and What happened, happened and dead is dead so….

    What I need to see for the remainder of this final season is a Richard Alpert centric ep and an ep that is “constant” centric to start.

  7. Bonita in Atlanta says:

    Two thoughts on Dogen from rewatching:
    What is the significance of him constantly touching his necklace?
    And just for fun
    I just realized the Sayid Torture scene reflected Wesley’s torture scene in ‘The Princess Bride’

  8. Ben Mc says:

    GAHHHHH!!!!!!!

    It’s NOT Dogen.
    It’s DOGON

    DOGON == NOGOD == NO GOD

  9. I really need to watch this episode again – I didn’t feel completely underwhelmed, but it didn’t seem to have the oomph of the premiere. Not that I would expect it to, really, considering the breakneck pace of last season, I don’t mind a little bit of (for lack of a better word) filler, with just enough substance to keep my interest.

    Who else will be claimed now? I have a feeling Sawyer will be, given what we’ve seen in the trailers, and perhaps even Kate. How great would it be to see Jack have to be on the opposite side of the line in the sand as the woman he seems to love? That’s at the core of what Lost has been – a tragedy wrapped up in a package of sci fi adventure. The only appropriate ending for Jack would be tragic, IMHO, and seeing this story play out should be fascinating.

  10. HeyKir in NYC says:

    Per usual, I was thoroughly entertained by this Ep! And I loved catching up on all these posts!
    This season, I have vowed to listen to all the podcasts, maybe formulate a theory or two, discuss the show with as many people who will tolerate me and will savor EVERY SINGLE MINUTE of this last season of this show that has meant so much to me and my friends. I thank you all!!!

    Remember to enjoy the ride, everyone!!!

  11. Ryan F says:

    Regarding the appearance of Ethan Goodspeed, aka Ethan Rom in the hospital with Claire, was anyone reminded of the season 2 episode in which Claire starts to remember her time with Ethan when she had been taken to the Staff station and given injections?
    Very interesting.
    Recall that when Libby was helping Claire remember things, Claire had a vision of Ethan treating her OFF the island! Could it be that Claire in season 1 somehow had a vision from this alternate reality in which she was treated by Ethan off the island? And when you think about it, Claire being treated by Ethan at the hospital happened at roughly the same time (relative to flight 815) as Claire being taken by the others to the Staff station.

    Of course maybe Libby was right and Claire was just putting 2 memories together.

  12. Beth in Sacramento says:

    According to Lostpedia, it is spelled D-O-G-E-N.

  13. Harold says:

    If MIB and Jacob are indeed equals, then it’s reasonable to expect that Jacob, too, has a smoke monster form. I think that’s a surprise for us further in the future. It comes to mind here because the narrative focuses us so much on protection from the MIB. I feel a set-up.

  14. JonY says:

    Underrated line from this episode:

    After Kate says “I’m sorry for following you”…

    Sawyer replies “Which time?” I think that sums up the frustration people feel towards Kate and her role on the show (which originally was supposed to be the leader when Jack was supposed to die in episode 1 per the original idea, I guess they couldn’t figure out what else to do with her).

    Agreed on driving a stolen cab around LA for hours. One of many things that annoyed me.

    The translator guy can’t put things in his own words? “There is no literal translation for_____”. Whatever man, what would you call it?! More cryptic nonsense to further my belief that Jacob and his boys aren’t all roses. I just can’t believe that Claire is gonna be evil, so for now I feel this reinforced my belief that MIB is actually the good guy – well, relatively speaking.

    Was an okay episode for Claire, Ethan, Jack finally acting like the Jack we liked and not the wimpy whiner…. There were enough odd things that drug it down (Really Kate? They needed you to track them because the others that have been there forever and can move silently don’t know how to track?)

  15. JonY says:

    @ Ryan F. I don’t know that this would be the same time as Claire being taken to the medical station. What we are seeing in the flashsideways is just a few hours after the plane landed… I thought it was a few days before she was taken away at least.

    Funny about pregancies in TV shows. I know when my wife went into labor it wasn’t that sudden “AAAAHHH!!!! He’s coming!” LOL….

  16. Coolpeace says:

    @ JonY :

    It was not that the Others could not track Sawyer themselves, it is that they needed Sawyer to want to come back of his own free will.

    Kate: I can convince him to come back.

    ————

    It should be clear by now that free will and choice have been important themes throughout Lost.

    Think back to Ben speaking to Jack in season 3 : ‘I want you to WANT to save my life.’

    Jacob tells Ben he can choose not to kill him. Jacobl also tell Hugo in the cab that its his choice to returm or not.

    Sayid needs to take the pill willingly.

    So they need Sawyer to want to come back. And Kate thinks she can deliver… but she also has another agenda; ask Sawyer to help her find Claire.

  17. NuckinFuts says:

    #1.

    @ Spalz Says:

    February 9th, 2010 at 8:35 pm
    Anyone else notice the date on the ultrasound? Its a Month after the original flight crashed. 9/22/04 was flight 815, yet the ultrasound was done on 10/22/04. Could explain why Desmond was on the Flight…

    – – Great catch!!! This means something…what it is I have no idea! After all the scrutiny that the producers know we will give the show this could NOT BE A MISTAKE!

    Does this mean that the flight 815X was a month later? If so: SawyerX may not have been ‘kicked out’ of Austrailia. LockeX may HAVE gone on his walkabout. ChristianX may have not recruited Ana LuciaX OR he may have lasted a little longer before dying. I remember hearing the pilot’s name, but only know it was not LapidusX….does anyone here know if it was it the pilot in the 1st episode? Didn’t ClaireX have her own ticket, but maybe the psychic could not or did not convince her to go early. KateX perhaps waited for 1 more paystub before running out on the farmer…heck…do we even know these people?

    #2.

    I’m having a very hard time with the EthanX thing. Ethan was born to Horace and Amy. But they met in DHARMAville ; and Amy was with a guy named Paul who was killed by hostiles before they married….and what happened to Olivia who was Horace’s first…wife?

    Does this verify that DHARMA still existed well past the bomb in both timelines? Something is here, I just can’t tell what — does anyone have any thoughts? Where are ya Yann? Is your nose bleeding?

  18. Ann Louise says:

    @coolpeace – “Sayid needs to take the pill willingly.” I don’t know if we can say that Jacob is “good” or Esau “bad” (or the reverse), but the business with the pill underscored something about the Temple Others that doens’t fit with a positive interpretation of their motivations/actions.
    Yes, Sayid had to take the pill willingly, but Dogen/Lennon lied to Jack about what the pill was/would do. Sayid wouldn’t take the pill from them willingly, and Jack wouldn’t give his friend poison. As much as I don’t like MIB/Locke, Jacob’s followers in the Temple don’t appear to be much better.

  19. NuckinFuts says:

    ‘kicked out’ of “Australia” – oops.

  20. JonY says:

    @Futs:

    Juliet delivered Ethan, this was before the bomb went off. Also the sub Sawyer, Kate, and Juliet was on was (supposedly) taking the women and children off of the island. So Ethan would have been there, getting off safely (along with Miles for any people who think he can’t exist in the flash-sideways, I’ve heard it on some podcasts).

    @Coolpeace, I get the Other Others reason for letting Kate go, I just thought it was silly that Kate’s first excuse was to track Sawyer – then she mentioned being able to get him back.

  21. JonY says:

    Random thing…..

    A lot of folks say that the smoke monster is really a judge or something. It judges you and kills you or whatever. There is a lot to support that, except what about the first time we saw it kill someone? It just yanked the pilot out of the plane and killed him, seemingly at random.

    Then again, it was just behind Charlie and Jack right after that. Was it judging the pilot? Why? Were Jack and Charlie judged? Did they pass? Weird they would pass smoke monster judgement but weren’t worthy of being on the other’s list (the list back then, not the current list from Jacob). Was Locke judged as well?

    I know, it doesn’t really pertain to this episode so feel free to ignore me, it’s just I recently discoverd the transmission and this blog so have a bunch of questions been burning for a long time.

  22. lucydog says:

    dumb question but does Richard know this group of Temple Others? There were two groups on the island when the Jack and Co.’s plane crashed (the first time)…

    1) Group 1 are Others who had been there for a long time, Richard was one, and Kid Ben was taken to them.

    2) Group 2—the Dharma group (who were not original Dharma people since adult Ben killed them) who sometimes dressed up as Others (when kidnapping Walt) and sometimes lived in the nice yellow barracks. But they still did medical research, i.e. Julliette, on the island.

    Is this correct?

  23. ShannyMac3T0 says:

    @ NuckinFuts The Pilot in the pilot episode was Seth Norris who was played by Greg Grunberg who played Sean Blumberg the TV Series Felicity which is also a J.J. Abrams show.
    He is credited in LA X as follows:
    – LA X: Part 1 (2010) TV episode (voice) …. Seth Norris
    – Exodus: Part 2 (2005) TV episode (scenes deleted) …. Pilot Seth Norris
    – Pilot: Part 1 (2004) TV episode (uncredited) …. Pilot Seth Norris
    I did not notice that it was his voice, I will have to go back and listen again!

  24. Carol from Boston says:

    I thought Kate’s motivation was getting Sawyer to help her find Claire.

  25. Knives Monroe says:

    Who’s joining me in being on the side of Locke/MiB/Smokie?

  26. Rich in Cleveland says:

    @Jon Y
    I speculated that smokey grabbed the first new arrival he could get to access memories and have the background info he needed to manipulate the rest.

    For fans of Fringe, did you notice Dogen’s typewriter? It’s used in the former to communicate between parallel universes. JJ Abrams appropriated and reconfigured many of the concepts coming to fruition in Lost. He should have just stayed on board if he couldn’t bear to part with them. Fringe is excellent btw.

    Doesn’t Claire exclaim “It’s coming” as she enters labor? That was rather ominous I thought, perhaps calling back to the dream with marble-eyed Locke and the blood-soaked crib. In addition to the sickness beginning to pay off, I thought they started to lay the foundation for the reintroduction of Aaron’s importance. I’m not sure if Claire’s pronoun means Aaron could be a conduit for the infection or not, but the whole conversation between Ethan and Claire resonated with deeper meaning. “Mother nature’s gotten a little ahead of herself,” “the boy’s out of position,” & “the boy likes to move around” were all very suggestive.

    On the role of the translator: the parallel with Ben is that he and all previous leaders functioned as the voice of Jacob. Ben was the translator affording Jacob the distance he needed to make hard decisions. . This could be seen as a commentary on the way God works as well. Why does he always seem to need a prophet rather than just having a world wide dream telecast? Because free will matters?

  27. Dearbhail & Gareth, (near) Dublin, Ireland says:

    Side-ways Ethan….

    -Otherville News-
    Oliva & Horace Goodspeed are delighted to announce the arrival of their son Ethan, delivered healthily in Darmaville on a random month in 1977.

    No way does Sideways Ethan look 27! It does mean that Oliva and Horace met off island right?! And that their gentics produced the indredible fast aging man (we blame Horace)!

  28. Stefani from Mass says:

    I’m fascinated with the ‘easter egg’ connections between people both in flashbacks and this new ‘flash-sideways’… so Dr. Ethan is intriguing me.

    The dialogue was pretty funny – poking Claire with needles and all. I laughed out loud…

    But my question is why is he Ethan Goodspeed now? Not Ethan Rohm… Does this mean we will see Horace again (did he die in the Incident or was he gassed by Ben, I can’t remember) and is Amy his wife? She was the one dancing, right? or having the picnic with the guy Sawyer shot. Is she important? I feel every little actor is showing up and might be, not just a casting duplicate from Hawaii, but a purposeful placement!

    Like the mechanic that cut Kate’s handcuffs off. I did a double take because I thought it was Mr. Friendly… then Kelvin (from the Hatch & Iraq with Sayid) – but based on the casting credits, he’s not.

  29. Coolpeace says:

    @ Ann Louise :

    I agreed with you as to the Temple Others lying and all around sneakyness/manipulativeness. Which is also why I have yet to figure out in which camp to put my stake in, Jacob’s or MIB’s.

    In all honesty, the more I think about Smokey and his various appearances, the more I wander if his form could be garnered by either the Jacob or the MIB entity. In other words, what if the Smokey form can be taken by either Jacob or the Man in Black.

    We have seen Smokey has an entity that can:

    Group A –

    – indiscriminately kill : as in killing Seth Norris;
    – be summonned : as with Ben in his basement;
    – take the form of dead people : as with Yemi, Alex & Ben’s mother;
    – be a judge and executioner : as for Echo
    – be a manipulator : as with Alex to manipulate Ben

    Group B –

    – be a security system : as for the Temple;
    – be a white light : as for Locke in season 1
    – scan people and turn away : as with Kate and Juilet;

    So maybe, group A Smokey is Evil entity, whether Jacob or MIB; and group B SmoKey is Good entity, whether Jacob or MIB??

    Thoughts??

    @ Rich in Cleveland: Good thought regarding the parallel between the translator and previous leaders being the voice of Jacob… or in fact Alpert being the voice of Jacob, since we now know that Ben never saw Jacob.

  30. Connie in Oregon says:

    Had to get this down before I forgot it. Sorry if someone already posted it :O)

    Suppose the “claiming” process was completed with a trip to the temple, but began with a simple touch. Jacob touched almost all of the Losties currently hanging out at the temple. What if he “marked” them in some way that caused them to become “claimed” upon their death? Thus Jacob’s instructions to Hurley to get Sayid to the temple, and instructions to the Others that they will be in trouble if Sayid dies without going into the pool first. Would this also explain why young Ben wasn’t “claimed” by Jacob’s touch before going into the temple.

  31. Stefani from Mass says:

    @Ryan F: if the actual timeline of Ethan kidnapping Claire on the island and Ethan in the hospital with claire in the flash-sideways are the ACTUAL TIME – that would be pretty great… hadn’t thought of that.

    On another note – I want to thank Ryan & Jen for this blog in that I can commisserate with other losties without anyone completely jumping down my throat. My colleague that I traditionally watercooler with recently had an anurysm and is recovering from an induced coma, physical therapy, and all the stresses associated with that… I certainly wish her the best on her long road to recovery (I’m sure we’ll watch the season later on DVD if nothing else), but also miss the weekly ‘real time shop talk’ we would have throughout the season. I appreciate this blog to let me get my ideas out (even if they don’t come out very coherantly!) Thanks LOSTIES!

  32. Rich in Cleveland says:

    @ Connie et al
    I believe the change in the ownership of the spring as indicated by its murkiness is the only thing that allowed Sayid to be claimed by the dark side. There would have been no risk of this when Ben underwent the procedure.

    Found this on Lostpedia about Kate’s alias, Joan Hart.
    “Kate uses the alias of Joan Hart. This is the name of a character in the 1978 film, Damien: Omen 2. In this film, the character of Joan Hart is a reporter who discovers that the identity of the antichrist is a young boy, and subsequently is killed in a bizarre accident.” Aaron??!!??!!

  33. LReene says:

    @Rich in Cleveland – Great catch on the typewriter used to communicate with the parallel universe in Fringe. If you take a look at the posts from “LA X Parts 1 & 2”, I commented about the “parallel universe” similarity between Fringe and LOST, especially in the most recent Fringe episode.

    But another question that I have rattling around in my brain after rewatching “Flashes before your eyes” a couple days ago……. are we really seeing another timeline or parallel universe here, or are we seeing something similar to what Desmond experienced right after he turned the failsafe key? (just a thought)

  34. Pete from Rockford says:

    I just want to give my interpretation of the name situation with Ethan.

    Ethan’s surname is Goodspeed. Always has been, always will be. “Ethan Rom” was an alias he used when he infiltrated the Losties’ camp.

    “Ethan Rom” also is an anagram for “Other Man”.

  35. Raz says:

    ALL I CAN SAY WAS O’BOY WAS THAT BAD! LETS ADMIT IT PEOPLE IF THIS STORY LINE DOESN’T IMPROVE QUICK THE FINAL SEASON IS GOING TO BE A HUGE DISAPPOINTMENT.

    WHO ON GODS EARTH THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO SHOW 10 MINUTES OF SAWYER CRYING? THEY SHOULD BE FIRED!

  36. Michele in Va Beach says:

    Sayid (bad) is the new Jacob. Just like Locke (good) is the new MIB. Get the roll reversal. Sayid is indeed changing, just like Locke did. Jacob knew what he was doing when he told Hurley to take Sayid to the temple.

  37. M'Lady of the house says:

    I have never been disinterested or bored with an episode of Lost–EVER. But wow, what a disappointment. I bristled all last week when folks voiced reservations of theoff-island time-line. “No, No, y’all. Have faith in the writers.”

    Yes, yes, y’all. You were right!

    What part of that off-island experience was at all believable? That on-the-run Kate would go back for Claire? (and if she told the truth–“Don’t worry, I didn’t take your money” then how did she pay the mechanic–Dodger from China Beach fame if anyone is trying to place him)? And then pregnant Claire gets in the car with her kidnapper? Really?????? Then its Girlfriend-roadtrip . . . to a conveniantly separated would-be adoptive mom and then off to the hospital. Could no one think of a better plot twist to get them there so we could delight in the Ethan “I don’t want to stick you with needles if I don’t have to” line?

    I felt as though the senior writers who ensure every detail of plot and character all took a vacation so that the interns could have a shot before the show wrapped.

    Please, please, please let this be the first & last time I ever complain about this show.

  38. Carol from Boston says:

    I got the new TV Guide today (dated 2/15-2/28) and it has a wonderful article about the Lost Premiere and under the Breaking News Section, there is an article “Lost Premiere Decoded”. This article has some clues to what we saw and the upcoming season. They have helped me rethink some theories. I don’t want to give away any spoilers, but if you are interested you should check it out. No answers are given, but now I have new questions. It talks about the smoke monster, Desmond, Sayid, the Temple and the flash sideways.

    I will tell you one important point, the sideways flashes shouldn’t be thought of as alternate realities, they are parallel realities.

  39. Carol from Boston says:

    @Pete I thought the same thing about Ethan. What name did he give Juliet?

  40. Digidoug says:

    @Briand, I was thinking along those same lines (angels vs. demons). I was thinking about the pool. If the pool is the fountain of youth – which would explain Richard’s age, then since the fountain comes from the “tree of life” would it be reasonable to assume that the island is Eden? If that were true, then maybe Smokey/Notlocke/MIB could be the serpent from that story. Locke’s “I want to go home” followed by that nightmare inducing glare really leads us to think of him as pure evil.

    Part of me thinks that this idea is way to simple for Lost, but it makes sense. Thoughts?

  41. docjkm says:

    Ryan, Jen, and Y’all Everybody:

    Kate redeemed? Nah. Still the PIA she always was. So why, why do the writers feel the need to inflict her upon us again? Character discovered, Kate evolving, No. I disagree with such sentiments concerning this episode or (sorry Kinves) previous seasons. I love Lost as much as anyone, actually revere it, but that does not mean weak is not weak. Writers- that was weak. Kate as character concept is weak.

    Yo, slow up, Jason requested Sayid to temple. If Sayid is ‘claimed’, why does anyone think it is not Jacob doing the claiming? (Not MIB) And I think there is a lot of traction in considering Jacob ‘bad’, and MIB ‘good’ (or not AS bad). Remember, back in the first couple seasons it seemed like all you had to do was anticipate something particular and the writers would blow it out of the water? Well, the white/black thing looks that way to me. I’m not sure (who would be?) but Jacob is looking pretty suspect. @Knives- yeah, MIB is Locke, and as I said a ways back, Locke is God. Sign me up, I’m crossing the island with you, to march and trade jokes with Flocke/MIB/Esau. But… no Kate. And if we scoop up Sawyer, all good.

    @ Lisa- Yes Miles rocked me all the way to the food court!

    @Chris in Durham – You go! Saved me the time. With you all the way.

    @ Jane from Ill – Nice tying the ring toss of Sawyer and Desmond.

    @ManilaRaf – Juliette as Claire’s OB doc? Brilliant!

    @Camille – The big conundrum- how can writers so skilled at detail, layers, and complexity use a yellow cab as a getaway car, and the car you go back and pick up your hostage in, and the car you take her to the hospital with? When the driver is, yes, an internationally at large murderer? Irritating beyond words, but I wrote it anyway.

    @Aloha Oe’s Niece- Nice summary of The Other’s groupings, hierarchy, etc. This was also consuming my thoughts, including the Ben/Dogen relationship. Some shoeless, some suburban. Some mixing, some not. Strange, and why”

    @Astro1derboy- Wow. Same flash I had a couple nights ago. When DID Locke become MIB’s pup? Locke was a broken husk getting on 815. The crash, the loss of plegia, long meditations on the beach looking out to sea, interrupted by Walt, to whom he tells ‘The Secret’. Is he not the first to look into the monster’s face? Then the Man of Action, Boar Killer, and the Keeper of the Island Ideal. I think that came from more than we have suspected.

    @Beth in Sacto- The last season… THIS episode? You are on the money.

    @NickinFuts- You are so right about things seeming much better about certain episodes when rewatched with better perspective. I am not being shy about this last episode, but I also had severe reservations when time travel was incorporated. Yet, yet… this one pained.

    @Harold – Double Smokies? Yes, makes sense, and would help explain a lot to me. Too much being blamed on MIB, think Jacob is active in the spooky do.

    All you saying “Hey its Lost, ease up. The best TV has to offer.” You’re right. And I will be crying in my beer May 24. But at this point this show has shocked rocked and amazed me. I will not be surprised if I look back and see What Kate Does as the seminal entry that pulled so much together and set the lens to focus everything to the end. But now? NOT!

    I’m off to find Knives, and join Flocke. I wanna kick Alpert too. And toss one back with Ford.

    To all of you, thanks. This is a fantastic group, and has enhanced my enjoyment of Lost tremendously. Would not think of going it without Ryan and Jen, and you. You are tremendous. I feel bad for anyone trying these waters without such fellow Losties.

  42. Knives Monroe says:

    @ M’Lady of the house

    Me too.

    Let this be the first and last time we EVER complain about the show.
    Seriously.

  43. docjkm says:

    oops. re above. Meant ‘Jacob’ not ‘Jason’

  44. Russell from California says:

    i didn’t care for “what kate does.”

    the only other time i remember feeling like that about a lost episode was after 316. the on-island stuff was decent, but i could care less about the off-island storyline. the whole “look, they’re interacting the same way they did on the island” angle doesn’t fly for me. those relationships developed due to the fact that these strangers were thrust into a traumatic situation that they didn’t understand and couldn’t escape from. it was their experiences on the island that helped forge those unlikely bonds. to see the same relationships develop in the disaster-free LA X reality within a day just doesn’t ring true for me. feels too Mulholland Drive-ish.

    granted, this may all be explained and make perfect sense later, but at least for now, i find it hard to get invested in the UnLosties.

  45. KC Bob says:

    Okay, so here is a crackpot theory about the off-island story line, and why it may be more than just filler….what if the off-island story line didn’t come to pass by the bomb blowing up last season, but rather from the resolution of THIS season’s on-island plot. In which case, we’re seeing what happens if none of the events on the island had ever occurred. Just a theory.

  46. Camille in Slovenia says:

    @Russell from California “i find it hard to get invested in the UnLosties.”

    agreed. if this show has a major weakness it is that instead of the main characters finding stuff from EACH OTHER they find it out from newly introduced characters. honestly every time some one new that wev’e never seen before opens their mouth, I roll my eyes. while there have been some good surprises as far as new people went (Ben, Daniel Farraday, my boyfriend Miles) so many of them have been aggravating and a waste of time (Nikki & Paolo, anyone?). i only pray that we don’t meet a single new person for the rest of the journey, but i have a feeling i am praying in vain.

  47. NuckinFuts says:

    Off the fence! I’m with Knives & Docjkm on team Smokey after further thought & I’m bringing the last bottle McCutchens. Besides, if not then I’ll end up with Ben Linus it seems.

  48. Dearbhail & Gareth, (near) Dublin, Ireland says:

    HFC our first post ever and we fudge it up! We meant AMY GOODSPEED, sorry guys 🙁 The draw back of watching a download at 2am, it airs here tonight and we just couldn’t wait.

  49. Owen says:

    —————— Quote ———————–
    But something from last episode has me wondering. Why did the other others have to take off Sayid’s Dharma jumpsuit when they were putting him in the pool? I mean, the temple leader specifically said – remove the jump suit. Not remove his clothes (ok, yes it’s TV…) but it seems just the jumpsuit needed to be gone before entering the murky waters. I’m wondering if that’s significant. It was ok to leave on his dirty, bloody dark duds.
    —————————————————

    In response to the above, I can’t say “why” specifically, but I guess the only difference between the Dharma jump suit and Sayid’s other clothes is the Dharma jump suit was from a different time period.

  50. Knives Monroe says:

    Docjkm, Knives Monroe, and NuckinFuts have officially been claimed.

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