Trans 2010-02-14: “What Kate Does” (Episode 6-03)

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This edition of “The Transmission” covers “What Kate Does,” the third hour of Season 6. We share our thoughts, then turn it over to “You All Everybody,” our brilliant listeners. After a new track from The Others LOST Band, we report on the last week of production in the “Forward Cabin.”

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  • 0:00:17 Introduction
  • 0:01:25 Recap: “LOST” in Eight Minutes
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  • 0:07:32 Reaction & Analysis
  • 0:31:29 Feedback: You All Everybody
  • 1:02:53 “Nothing’s Irreversible” by The Others LOST Band
  • 1:06:23 Spoilers: The Forward Cabin
  • 1:06:23 Closing

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24 Responses to “Trans 2010-02-14: “What Kate Does” (Episode 6-03)”

  1. Someone says:

    From what you’ve heard and seen of episode 13 and 14, you think they’re gonna be centric for which character?

  2. [...] al podcast di Ryan, dopo il continua troverete alcuni spoiler, piccoli e grandi, dalle ultime [...]

  3. Yann From France says:

    Fringe is just great guys, you should watch it!
    Vaccine was given in the supply drop and Claire was given vaccine by Charlie… but we don’t know if she took it every 9days as she was supposed to.
    Where did Claire learned to do traps? Watching Discovery channel?
    Amazing how this podcast is more on the reaction toward this episode than the mysteries… Totally in par with the community! With 300posts and more mails this episode GOT a response. People are invested by this show and I think everyone is now looking for the next episode. We got hooked like fish, they lure us on first episode and now we got hooked (and it hurts a bit) and now we are totally going to be claimed by the writers! I love this show.
    How about a Jen only podcast? Or a Jen with her friends podcast? :p
    Looking forward for next podcast, be it earlier or not.

  4. midwinter says:

    A propos of nothing, and I love y’all’s show, but Jen’s description of Rosencrantz & Guildenstern are dead was pretty far off the mark.

  5. soko says:

    Mirrors
    Claire and Russeau came to the island pregnant. And end up Jungle Jane’s without child. another mirroring situation.
    Ethan was NOT the last baby born on the island but perhaps conceived AND born on the island.

    I liked the con and doctor pairings of KATE/Jack – Juliet/Sawyer and I liked the ups and downs and triangles that finally got us to that point. We just would have liked it to stay there without going back to the tired love triangle.

  6. Stefani from Mass says:

    Didn’t pick up on the Mr. Eko comment to Locke “You’re Next” but the idea that Rousseau was injecting Sayid earlier and that will possibly be an affect to what’s happening now is quite interesting.

    Josh Halloway is AWESOME! Even if he is a scruffy nerf-herder ;)

    Thanks for your hard work on this podcast – it’s certainly appreciated in blustery New England (can’t say snowy, as my Mid-Atlantic friends are getting all our snow!)

  7. Daniel in BC says:

    i usually re-watch an episode a few dozen times but this week i have been so busy with the Olympics here :( but ill re-watch is tomorrow :)

  8. Yann From France says:

    I said before I think the “you’re next” meant, I have been manipulated by Smokey… You’re next, John.
    I was thinking maybe Ben used Sayid as a killer because he couldn’t do it himself… i still have a problem with “the Rules”. He can’t kill Widmore because of the Rules (and I thought it was because they both were Others… and leaders) but he killed John who was supposed to be the leader since he left, he did not follow the Rules! Ben maybe wasn’t the real leader (“what about you?” Jacob’s comment) but he didn’t knew, so he broke the Rules? Maybe that is the loophole.
    Some publicity again about http://geronimojacksbeard.blogspot.com/
    Jorge send set pictures (and the Buddhist picture really brings back my theory that the Others are “enlighted” as in the Buddhist path of enlightment and don’t feel pain the same way as we do) and his best “cut” lined… It’s really fun!
    I was thinking again about the Jen only podcast… she could say “now in the Forward Cabin a call from Ryan from Hawaii” lol!
    I want the next episode (of the show AND of the podcast :D) !

  9. Yann From France says:

    “now in You All Everybody a call from Ryan from Hawaii”… my joke is lame now that I missed the beat. To bad.
    I think the reason why I said “Forward Cabin” is because I so wished I could be there with Ryan for the first part and because I so wished I had not listened to the second part! I defenitively need to stop to listen to it now (but you all know that I will continue…)

  10. Jesse says:

    I loved the comments this week. I just couldn’t bring to call in about this one…
    just not feelin it. But next episode = Locke which means..
    I expect major revelations. :)

  11. SOKO says:

    Did we get an alternate reality version on Ryan’s commeent in the middle of the podcast ?

  12. docjkm says:

    Ryan and Jen – I think ‘in for a penny, in for a pound’ applies to my Lostphilia. To criticize is not to be mistaken for global condemnation, nor should it be reacted to by the ‘well, go watch ______, instead’ comments proferred by Damon (Twitter), and by Jen (on the Podcast) (great work again, both of you).

    Lost has, as has been pointed out here, expanded the envelope to the extent that what is NOT possible has become very limited. This freedom begs responsibility for all of the creative team, particularly the Writers. Production values, acting, etc all are beyond reproach, and might well exceed anything ever before offered.

    We are 5 years down this experiment. I continue to have the faith expressed by Knives that we will, in the end, be rewarded. Such has been the experience of 5 years of strained credulity. BUT this does not ablate the right or even the responsibility of criticism.

    The existence of smoke monsters and polar bears does not excuse ‘stealing a taxi and then riding around for hours in LA without a sniff from police’. Demonic possession being accepted does not mean one has to accept another hour on the bankrupt concept of Kate and her ‘issues’. That her decision to give Aaron to grandma, AND return to the island, turned on a 60 second ‘gone missing’ in a grocery store, is just poor writing. No matter how much belief can be suspended, stupid is stupid.

    I love Lost. I do not love TV. Lost is the ONLY ‘show’ I have watched and followed on TV in a long time. It has rewarded me, big, and restored my faith in the possibilities of the medium. But nothing is perfect, and enjoying Lost is NOT contingent on swallowing everything put on the plate.

    I think this last episode was vapid. The exception was the ‘dock’ scene, and particularly the “which time” comment (EXCELLENT, and my point). After 5 years we have a fantastic opportunity as audience, and I will not miss any of it. But I will not have my blind acceptance presumed.

  13. Jason says:

    I think we should be used to the episodes that are more like “bridge episodes” than content episodes. They need those episodes that take the story from one point to the next. They have had these types of episodes in every season and are necessary to make the whole of the story to look realistic and full. We are the impatient little children that want things to go really fast, and the writers are the storytellers constantly telling us to be patient and to enjoy the story.

    Let’s just calm down and enjoy Lost for Lost.

  14. Doug says:

    Hi Ryan and Jen,
    Love the podcast have been restarting itunes all week waiting on your comments.
    There is ofc much that i could wright about but i will keep this to just one small thing.
    As i am reading a prayer for owen meany atm i wondered if jen noticed that dogen was playing with a baseball! as Jack enters his office?
    A little nod there to the book maybe.
    And one more little thing why is dogen now treating the losties like they are so precious when in LA X he was more than happy to just shoot them…………….he had to of known at that point who they were as they are already known to the other others.
    For my two bits this is to tangled to all work out, but if it does it will be a work of pure genius.

  15. Yann From France says:

    @Doug: Everything changed the moment Hurley told them they were send by Jacob and that their name were on the Ankh list. Now he has to take care of them it seems.
    Ankh is a symbolism for eternal life… maybe the reason why Sayid should not die or any of them. They are immortal and if not baptised their soul will be claimed by darkness (hell) when they die… so it means they WILL end up zombies?!

  16. Colin says:

    I think I’ve figured out what the twist this season is. I’ve heard in a few places that Damon and Carlton have said that there isn’t two simultaneous timelines. I’ve had an idea since I heard this. We are seeing the end of the show right now. Typically a show/movie follows the same formula when it comes to endings. Using lost as an example, the typical ending would be showing the ending of the war and then spending the last 5 minutes summing up everyone’s life and how they changed / turned out. Well what Damon and Carlton has decided to do is show us how they lives have turned out after the war at the same time as showing the lead up to the war, this allows them to show more of how everyone’s life turned out (Which is slower story telling) and still give people the excitement of the war (faster more exciting story telling.) If they did it the typical way they would have only spent 5 minutes on wrapping everyone’s life up which isn’t enough and everyone would have been angry, or spent they last 30 minutes wrapping everyone’s life up and then everyone would have been angry wow slow and boring the ending was.

  17. Doug says:

    @Yann
    yes for sure it’s the note in the ankh that gave dogen their names and i guess some idea of the importance he should attach to them.
    But my point was shouldn’t he have already known who they were as bens group already had their names on a list.
    But maybe we should assume now that all Ben’s list’s came from AJ as Jacob ” hadn’t been in his cabin for a long time”
    Always loved the ankh symbol, i wear one on a chain myself.

    @Colin that would certainly tie in with the way Damon and Carlton have done things in the past, but did they get a memory wipe at some point, because they seem to have no knowledge of the island in the off island timeline………..as far as we can tell atm.

    myself atm i feel the two timelines will merge at some point.

  18. Hey, Ryan and Jen:

    So great to have you guys back reviewing/recapping new episodes. Your podcast was sorely missed during the hiatus.

    Anyway, I’m back to doing my recaps over on my blog. Here’s my take on “What Kate Does.” It’s been up since last Wednesday, but I just now remembered to post it over here:

    http://cousinbrandon.wordpress.com/2010/02/10/lost-%e2%80%93-season-6-episode-2-%e2%80%9cwhat-kate-does%e2%80%9d/

    Keep up the great work. You guys are killing it, as always.

    CB

  19. Lori from IL says:

    Re: Kate going back to Claire

    I know it seems very odd that Claire would willingly get back in the car with Kate, but my thinking is what else is Claire going to do? She’s in a foreign country, alone, pregnant, no support system, and her ride didn’t show up. She’s got to be feeling overwhelmed and possibly a bit scared. Yeah, it’s still a bit of a stretch, but by the time Kate comes back, she’s no longer a complete stranger to Claire – she becomes a bit of a familiar face. Claire needs *somebody*, anybody, at that point in time. Who else is going to help her, especially when she needs to go to the hospital? Certainly not the ex-adoptive-mother.

    I do also like the theory I’d read somewhere that because they’re connected in the 2004 timeline, they have a “sense” about each other in the LA X timeline.

  20. California Ellen says:

    not sure if anyone’s posted this already, but did anyone catch Michael Emerson on The Soup on friday? Hi-lair-eeous! That was great! I already totally loved him but now I’m even MORE impressed with his acting and humor

    also saw the Nightline bit with The Transmission on it– awesome Ryan & Jen! You are going to go down in Lost pop culture history!

    love love the podcast

  21. greenberry says:

    Brilliant Colin — that thoery seems right — I’m buying it — somehow there is a residual affect that the Losties have on one another even with the rewind/do-over

    Also thought Lois’ post sounds logical too

  22. Dave says:

    Hi guys, thanks for the great work on the podcasts and blog. Unfortunately your smashing success has led to me doing things like coming on a Wednesday morning less than 12 hours after the show ends, seeing 100+ comments, and just waiting for the podcast.

    This is a long way of saying I just finished last week’s podcast (What Kate Does) and haven’t yet watched “The Substitute,” but wanted to respond to your podcast. My apologies if this has been answered elsewhere in your blog or in this past episode…

    One of your posters commented about how the man in the cabin, presumed to be Jacob, might be the Man in Black. Which got me thinking…

    Who was in “Jacob’s” cabin? Christian Shepard. Christian was the dead body on Oceanic 815. On Ajira 316, that role was played by Locke. Locke is now possessed by the Man in Black, so maybe Christian has been possessed by him as well. It doesn’t seem that any of the Others had any interactions with Christian, which may have been why the Man in Black was unable to exploit the “loophole” that allowed him to convince Ben to kill Jacob… presumably to convince someone on the island to kill Jacob, they needed to know that person. Not sure anyone dead has ever come back to the island before!

    Who else was in “Jacob’s” cabin? Claire, who appears to have been possessed by “the darkness” and needed to be saved. Sayid had/has (this may have been sorted out in the episode sitting on my DVR!) this same problem.

    Nobody has ever confirmed that Ben spoke with Jacob. Ben *thinks* he speaks to Jacob, but Ben is desperate and pathetic and leads by deception and with insecurity. Richard never really confirms that Ben speaks with Jacob, and Ben seems surprised that Locke sees him. Locke, however, sees “Jacob” only because Ben has more or less told him this was “Jacob.” The “Jacob” they both see could be the Man in Black. Hence his cries (to both of them?) or “HELP ME!” (Which they both did, unwittingly… and Ben seemed confused when he actually saw Jacob that this was Jacob.)

    Other supporting evidence:
    - Bram spilled a circle of ash around himself to keep the smoke monster/Man in Black away. There was a circle of ash around “Jacob’s” cabin. I assumed at first it was to keep the smoke monster out… but maybe it was to keep the smoke monster IN. Once that ash circle was interrupted (season 5 finale, Bram and Elana notice this), the Man in Black can get out. That’s why Elana and Bram were worried.

    I’ve posted here before about the notion of “self vs other” and its role in Lacanian thought (which I know nothing about aside from what I googled, but it came up in earlier seasons). It is no more explicit than in the name of the Others, but there’s a lot of “good vs bad” and the concept of how do we know who are the good guys. I think the Jacob/Man in Black black-white thing is just another example of this. We, like Ben and Locke, assumed this was Jacob’s cabin, but all along it was not. That’s why the cabin is old and decrepit and lacks electricity, while New Otherton and the hatches and even Danielle Rousseau’s hole in the ground had more modern technology.

    Curious to get thoughts… hope I’m not waaaaay off.

  23. Dave says:

    Also makes me think of the “escape fire” that Atul Gawande and others have written about:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mann_Gulch_fire

  24. MattH says:

    Just a couple of thoughts on this episode: the tablet that Dogen gives Sayid is very remiscent of Tibetan Budhist medicine, which is often used to cure spiritual illnesses, but has no medicinal value as we would understand it in a western sense; I’m also loving the fact that we are now seeing the charachter arc for our losties come full circle: Sawyer is back to looking after number 1, Kate can’t stop running and Jack is back to being the proactive man of science we know and love/hate(!). It will be very intersting to see how this ties into the whole fatalism thoery. hmmm.

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