Trans 2010-03-03: “Sundown” (Episode 6-06)

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“Sayid is faced with a difficult decision, and Claire sends a warning to the temple inhabitants.” Instead of our regular blog post, this week we posted a “Shortwave Transmission” initial reactions podcast, as Ryan will soon be off the island. We include some calls from the LOSTLine, as well as the latest track from The Others LOST Band. We’re hoping “You All Everybody” can keep the conversation going on the blog. What did you think of “Sundown”? We’d love your comments below!

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282 Responses to “Trans 2010-03-03: “Sundown” (Episode 6-06)”

  1. Bryce says:

    Best show in television history. Period.

  2. Jesse says:

    I honestly think there is something wrong with me…
    I must be lazy, I have yet to listen to the last podcast…
    not sure i didn’t like the last episode or if I still just care so much about what the Flocke character is doing that all other stoylines seems pointless.

    hmmm…anyway, listening to the podcast now.

  3. Rich in Cleveland says:

    You know that small portion of air day you devote to daydreaming about Lost? I spent mine pondering the phrase “Only fools are enslaved by time and space” embedded in the room 23 brainwashing video. That sounds like Flocke to me. Not helpful, but contemptuous of those he sees as enslaved. So does this mean he’s behind all the sentiments contained in the film and even, by extension, all the machinations of the others? That they actually do his bidding because he has conned them into believing his edicts are those of Jacob? Or has Flocke just slipped some backwards-playing, subliminal subversion into the dogma of their cult? I would suspect the first option, except that Jacob has been actively intervening with Hurley lately instead of playing the passive God to his many Jobs.

  4. Jesse says:

    I think what RICH is trying to say IS that subliminal messages are in Lost, RIGHT?

  5. I really hope today is a Sayid Centric episode.
    The Jack- Claire- Locke- Sayid centricity this season has really turned me on.
    Nice arcs. I love em!

  6. Carmine says:

    Well, Dogen gave us our answer. Flocke is EVIL.

  7. Rip says:

    So much for the Sun-centered episode we were all expecting…

  8. Gayle says:

    I can’t stop laughing at what I just saw. That was silly

  9. Carmine says:

    Gayle,

    Not really. It’s a devil’s offer. Will Sayid give in to his dark side or not? Clearly choices we all face every day. Good vs. evil. I know people have questioned Jacob, but he is good. My opinion.

  10. hammer says:

    and…..their coming to take me away haha their coming to take me away hoho hehe haha to the funny farm…
    can someone PLEASE tell me and explain what I just saw?

  11. Terry B says:

    What a great episode! The last several minutes were so intense. Sayid’s flash sideways was really good too!

  12. Leachpunk says:

    Wow tonight’s episode… It was a good episode. I was kind of disappointed with Sayid’s flash sideways… but I expected so much more when Ben walked into see Sayid, and then nothing. I don’t know what to really think, but you almost had to expect Sayid to join Locke’s side… Now Kate is caught in the mix, and Claire… I think it’s crazy… It was good though, nice push in the story… Dogen and Lennon, wow.. ok well, this was incomprehensible, but yeah, good episode

  13. Mattfromnd says:

    My mind is officially blown. That was epic. I have no idea what is going on, but I’m loving every minute of it.

    I cheered when Sayid killed Dogen and Lennon. Couldn’t stand those 2. Sayid has always been one of my favs, and that solidified why.

  14. SAYID HAS SOLD HIS SOUL…

    Im speechless.
    Im utterly speechless.

  15. Terry B says:

    I like how Dogen explained his past with his son, very sad. His character was starting to grow on me too. With those guys in the murky water, does that mean they will become “infected”?

  16. tys says:

    Amazing! I’m like Mattfromnd, I can’t cogently put all of this together, but that episode was good! I love Lost!

  17. Tonight was a an ep that left us with a TON of questions. But the acting was GREAT! I totally called the ball belonging to Dogan’s son and that Sayid didn’t persue Nadia because he did not feel worthy. So Dogan was the one who was keeping Smokey out not the ash. Question if Jack or Hurley were they could they have kept smokey out? I don’t think so b/c Jacob touched Kate and Smokey got in. So what made Dogan so special?

  18. Cathow says:

    I’m so glad I started watching this show from the first episode. The effort to not miss a show over the past six seasons was worth it. I love this show!! Sundown was so intense. I’m kinda glad the whole first five seasons weren’t that intense, I’d be a basket case if so!

  19. Steven Hunter says:

    Another great episode! This was certainly the best episode since the season premier, although I hate seeing Sayid formally joining MIB’s ranks. Seeing Smokie raging through the temple was insane. I’m just curious about where it goes from here. With Jacob dead, and only communicating through Hurley, how will the light/good side be able to fight back? My guess is that somehow the “old Jack” (confident hero type) will reemerge, but whose left to join up on his side?

    Can’t wait to see how it all unfolds. At this point, though, I’ve basically given up too much theorizing or speculation. I’m just enjoying the show.

  20. John Fischer says:

    Well, I’m not sure what to make of that episode.

    As the smoke monster was making his killing ways through the temple I told my wife that the image was so much like Passover as seen in the movie The Ten Commandments. In that movie God came a killed the first born of all whose homes were not marked with the blood of a lamb.

    Here, the Smoke Monster gave Temple residents a chance to leave before Sundown – a clear homage to old westerns. Those who remained were doomed to face the wrath of the Smoke Monster and boy was it nasty.

    Many have theorized that only one “claimed” by Jacob or the MIB can kill Jacob or the MIB, believing that is why Ben could kill Jacob. So much for that theory. Sayid is clearly claimed by the MIB yet the knife that Dogan gave him did nothing. In fact it more solidified Sayid’s role with the MIB.

    I’ll miss Dogan and Lennon. We really hardly knew ya.

    I’m not sure what to make of the parallel. Sayid is still very prone to violence there, but it was to protect his brother and his family,
    surprisingly Nadia.

    I guess the Jin in the parallel is still involved in the shady dealings of Mr. Paik and his USA contacts were for unknown reasons very pissed with Jin.

    Again, our characters in the parallel are slowly finding the connections.

    One of my big questions from this episode is who were all of those many other folks with FLOCKE at the end of the episode. Where did he suddenly gain an army?

  21. Mattfromnd says:

    Okay, where is Richard? Last we saw him he was running from flocke, presumably to the temple, but he wasn’t there yet. Seems unusual that he’s not there. Where could he be?

  22. Beth says:

    So Jacob offered to heal Dogen’s son if he would come to the island. Sounds a lot like when Ben offered to cure Juliet’s sister’s cancer if she would stay on the island. So was Juliet’s sister really healed by Jacob? I think so.

  23. steve says:

    Why did Locke leave Kate alone? Why did Claire leave Kate alone? Where is Sawyer and Jin in all this? So Ben is going to be part of the body count next week?

    Why didn’t Dogen kill Sayid when he had the chance? Perhaps due to the rules. Dogen tried to get Locke to kill Sayid to get Locke to break the rules perhaps. Why does Locke need so many people to go “home” if that’s his real goal?

    That questions answered ad grates on me more and more, but I still love the ride.

  24. Mattfromnd says:

    I think the people with Locke at the end were the others that chose to leave. Why they went back in with him is anybodys guess.

  25. Ryan says:

    Thanks for the feedback so far! We’re thinking of including some LOSTLine calls in our short show tonight. If you’re up to it, leave a quick reaction at 815-310-0808!

  26. Laura Baker says:

    I really think this has gotten kind of out there.. think about where those characters were in season 1.. now they’re killing each other and running from smoke monsters and all sorts of crazy stuff. I am all for suspension of disbelief but this is a little much..

    Do you think Kate has any idea who she’s dealing with?

  27. Gayle says:

    Where are desmond n penny?? And why was Charles widmore important n suns father?? Why was walt special?? Do we really need 2 of everyone?? 2 people that speak to the dead 2 people that were horrible people bur redemmed themselves… Another question bc I can’t remember rose n benard they are still in the past?? N why mention the inhaler?? This season I feel Luke such a lost skeptic maybe I just don’t get it

  28. Karl from MN says:

    excellent episode- best of final season by a longshot. At the end, the crew of the blackrock seem to be in tow w/Locke and I surmise the next episode may be the backstory-

  29. Laura Baker says:

    Dogen seemed to have spared Sayid’s life because of the baseball. I don’t get that part.

  30. Jesse says:

    Initial Reaction before I call in:

    Sayid’s flashsideways:
    What an interesting twist that in his “better world”, he is still a killer and still willing to kill…
    BUT, I think his reasoning for pushing Nadia away, while selfish is sound. Maybe in his happy alternate world, she lives and he must keep away.

    WHICH (random tangent) sounded like Dogan’s deal with Jacob and his son.

    Speaking of that, I think the scene where he tells Sayid the story of his son was much more meaningful after we witnessed the Jack flash last episode.

    About Sayid On Island: HOLY FREAKIN CRAP! I am completely impressed with his turn. I loved how he tried so hard to be good, and even that could not help him. He was easily corrupted by Flocke promising to bring him Nadia…now that works, i can’t wait to see (if it isn’t just a big con). His expression at the end when Ben tries to “rescue” him was just perfect for someone who has given up on trying to be good and savours being a bad guy (quite similar to that smile Flocke gave at the end).
    I really did like Ben’s reaction though..it was him saying “…ooooook then” without uttering a word. Classic Ben.

    Claire: Ok, the girl is officially bonkers, but like miles said “still hot”

    Kate: How come the dirtier she gets the more attracted to her I am 😛

    Claire and Kate: WTF? All this build up to “I’m gonna kill her”… and Claire is like “…oh well.. I’m just gonna stay right here and sing”
    I thought for SURE she would pull her down or attempt to jump up at her.
    But nothing.

    The Ending: WOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOOOOOOOOOOW
    I loved it. The creepy echo song, the temple in ruins (more than usual), and the good guys on the run. The way any great story should be just before the end.

    THOUGHTS ON VERY END:

    1. They just let Kate come?
    2. Where did Ben go? He wasn’t one of the 4 who ran through Jacobs passage was he?
    3. WHY GOD, WHY DO I HAVE THE FEELING KATE WILL SAVE SAWYER FROM GOING COMPLETELY EVIL…. ugh… if she wasn’t so beautiful I would hate her.

    THOUGHTS ON NEXT EPISODE TRAILER:

    Ok, are they implying what I think they are?!?! If so… I CANNOT wait.

  31. Gayle says:

    Most important question so far.. Where is Vincent?? we know he lives but where is he?

  32. Dave M in Wisconsin says:

    After watching this one, I’m more convinced that neither Jacob nor the Man In Black are wholly good or wholly evil. They’re both so tremendously manipulative (which is probably where Ben learned how to do it) and my feeling is that it’s only for their own selfish reasons. It’s like: “We’re both going to test man’s inhumanity to his fellow man by being cruel to them all and seeing where the chips land.” The people of flight 815 just got caught in the middle. Pawns.
    Oh, and the “Catch a Falling Star” thing was WAY creepy. Kudos to Emilie deRavin!

  33. yesyesohyaay says:

    I don’t have much to say for tonight’s episode. Sayid’s flash sideways were really lacking. The opening climax didn’t live up to the hype. I really don’t like where the story is going. They got my hopes up that Kate was gonna get killed. The smoke monster trained past her, she was in the pit with Claire, Un-Locke even saw her walk out the temple, & shes STILL ALIVE?? Ergh!!

  34. Lorne says:

    The feed I was watching cut off at exactly 8pm, I missed the last 2 minutes 🙁 Cool ep. Another time when someone offline follows their archetype.
    Laura, as for the baseball, I think it reminded him of his son, and so he felt wrong about killing Sayid.

  35. Jesse says:

    @Laura
    the baseball reminded him of his son. I assume the reason he didn’t want to do all the killing (like Flocke said) is becuase he came so close to killing his son that he never wanted to do anything like that again….

    I can guess.

  36. Leigha in Lexington says:

    I think Kate is going to key. As much as I hate that. Flocke looked a little surprised to see her. And her number was not on his cave wall. Maybe she can throw a wrench in his plans. Awesome ep. Best this season.

  37. Clint says:

    The ad last week swore there would be answers. Maybe, I am tired or dense, but I didn’t see any answers. Just (as usual) a lot more questions. Here is hoping they don’t try to answer everything in the last 2 hour episode.

  38. Beth says:

    Sayid’s true nature was revealed in this episode. In his flash-backs of seasons 1,2, & 3 he was a killer/torturer. In season 4 his flash-forwards in the Oceanic six he was a killer and chose to kill for Ben. In Sayid’s flash sideways he still ended up being a killer. He had a chance to let Keamy live and he chose to kill him. Therefore, I think we know that Sayid is evil and has been taken over by the dark side of the force. He even tells Nadia that he doesn’t deserve her…

  39. John Fischer says:

    Many of us have dreamed that maybe the producers/writers have set us up here and that maybe the Jacob is really black/evil and the MIB is really white/good. I think this episode ended any possibility of that for sure. The MIB aka Smoke Monster killed tens/hundreds of people tonight and it’s hard to imagine that most of them deserved to die. I think that we definitely need to view this now as Jacob playing the white pieces and MIB playing the black pieces in this ongoing game of Backgammon that only ends once.

  40. Mattfromnd says:

    @Clint

    promos are created by the network, they can say whatever they want to lure people into watching.

  41. Brian says:

    When Jacob “recruited” Ilana to help him, she was in a body cast. I wonder, apparently after an accident. Is this similar to Dogen’s son. Did Jacob make a deal to heal her if she would go to the Island? Just a thought.

  42. Montreal LAFLEUR says:

    I feel the noose is tightening both in the LA X timeline and on the island. I really felt this week that the plot was moving forward. Not many ”questions answered” but the endgame is definetely taking shape.
    Did I really understand what they meant will be happening next week? If so, that was really spoilerish…
    And I really do think now that Kate is a major piece in the game.

  43. steve says:

    Keamy makes me think of Christopher Walken, supersized. Anyways, he gets shot from the front this time, in the chest, by Sayid instead of someone else. Why is Jin locked in the icebox?

    So the only people safe from Locke are Lapidus, Sun, Ilana, Ben, Jack, Hurley, Miles, Richard and I couldn’t tell if Kate stayed or followed.

    Sayid is a natural born killer. If you count the sideways, he killed 5 people using three methods. 6 if Locke would’ve died from the knife to the chest.

  44. MattInFtWorth says:

    Great episode, I thought. The Sayid/Dogan kung-fu battle gave us a much needed dose of action. Off-island, is Sayid faced with yet another moral dilemma, Keamy showing up in a role equally suited to his sociopathic personality as his previous mercenary incarnation, Sayid once again choosing the “dark side” (or was it actually thrust upon him, as it arguably has been before?), and what the hell has Jin gotten himself into in this off-island storyline?

  45. David in Chicago says:

    @Clint

    The best thing you can do is disregard the ads. I believe even Damon & Carlton mentioned in a podcast a couple of seasons ago that the network is responsible for those spots and to not put too much stock in the ads. I quit watching them during season 2, they only set you up for misguided expectations.

  46. John Fischer says:

    I knew that I knew Omar and Keamy but could not place them immediately. FYI – Martin Keamy was a mercenary and the leader of the mercenary team
    sent by Charles Widmore to the Island aboard the freighter Kahana. Omar was one of the mercenaries also.

  47. Laura says:

    At minute 58 when Kate is in the pit with Claire the smoke monster goes barreling by and you can see something that looks vaguely like a figure on a horse or something. I’ve replayed it 10 times, but it goes by really fast. There is definitely something there in the smoke. What it is I don’t know. Hopefully, the screen cap gurus will be able to tell if I am really seeing something or imagining it. For the record, my son saw it first!

  48. Terry B says:

    I thought it was interesting how Jacob offered to help Dogen’s on in exchange to go on the island while Locke offered Sayid a deal to reunite with Nadia for helping him. To be reunited with Nadia, would Sayid have to go to the parallel world? Does Locke have anything to do with the purpose of this parallel world? Why do Locke and Jacob offer such similar deals? What happens to more dead people in the murky pool of water? Will they please reunite Jin and Sun already!!!

  49. bclostfan says:

    I had a total Star Wars Revenge of the Sith moment in this episode. MIB/Locke is The Chancellor/Emperor and he promised Sayid/Anakin that he would save Nadia/Padme if he did what he was told. I think Sayid just became Darth Vader.

  50. Brian says:

    I was underwhelmed by tonight’s episode. Call me crazy if you want. It just didn’t seem like anything important happened until the last 10 minutes.

    And good God ABC, could you have more commercial breaks?!?

    After all the hype for this week—a definite C for this weeks episode.

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