Trans 2009-12-27: Season Three Finale
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This episode of “The Transmission” looks back at “Through the Looking Glass,” the two-part Season 3 finale of “LOST.” We recap the episode in under eight minutes, then share our take. Next, listener feedback in “You All Everybody.” We outline our plan for our last hiatus podcast in mid-January, then share another song by The Others LOST Band. Finally, we report on the last weeks of production for 2009.
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Segments:
- 0:00:42 Introduction
- 0:04:08 “LOST” in 8 Minutes
- 0:10:11 Sponsored by Audible.com
- 0:12:04 Discussion
- 0:36:42 You All Everybody
- 1:02:06 “Flash Forward” by The Others LOST Band
- 1:05:47 The Forward Cabin
- 1:18:48 Closing
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Next: For our first podcast of 2010, leading up to the Season 6 premiere, we want to know what mysteries you want solved in the last season of “LOST.” Tell us what unanswered question keeps you up at night, and what you think the answer might be. We’ll take a stab at an answer, as well. Please email us at lost@hawaiiup.com, call the LOSTLine at (815) 310-0808, or leave a comment below by Friday, Jan. 15.
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December 28th, 2009 at 11:57 am
Love the show. The question I want answered more than anything is why the Psychic lied and put Claire on the plane?!!
December 28th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
I’m sure there are many, many questions, so here’s one of my top ones Why was Walt special?
Could we possibly see a somewhere in the future Flashforward with Walt as the leader, Jack or Locke as his “adviser” and the people looking up at the four toed statue saying plaintiffly, “WAAAALLLT”~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
And I second Jen’s book recommendation. A Prayer for Owen Meaney is fabulous.
December 28th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
I think the Donkey Wheel should get a “flashback”
December 29th, 2009 at 3:50 am
32 posts last blog, lot’s of comment between each other… that’s great!
Thanks to all of you!
I am not working this week so I will try to find some time to write my theories.
Now I remember I posted a long list a long time ago, I will just give that post up (and it’s quite funny because I had a long talk about the Prisoner at that time already):
The Prisoner: What do we find in it?
Someone wakes up in a “Village”. Lost in the middle of nowhere. He is unable to leave and people around him are liers. But it gets better:
The food, the maps, everything… all is “The Village” Brand.
There is a Monster that can appear anywhere and kill anyone that is a menace to the Village.
There is a lot of questions asked (and really asked not just us wondering what is going on… at least they ask!). One of them is “who is no1″.
Number 2 maybe never seen him we never know. But the numbers2 keep changing.
This is the best tv show ever. And you know what… Almost no answered are given!
So Lost might still be one of the best tv shows ever even if they don’t answer the questions they rose in seasons 1 and 2 (Dirty others walking silently through the jungle with teddies on a string, the vaccine/quarantine, 4815162342, is Dave an illusion Hugo had and the AJ tried to use on him to kill him because he is dangerous to him (but the last 2 will be addressed I guess), Walt, the weather, the whispers, what about pregnancy and children, why was the computer on the Swan able to comunicate but the info cut on the film, Dharma droped food, the pearl purpuse and why tubes go nowhere, eyeglass and fake beard in the Arrow, why hieroglyphs in case of system failure of the Swan and what did they said, DeGroots and Hanso, who marked the sharks with Dharma logos, pillar of smoke but no footprints…) AND PLUS: why Pierre Chang changes his name in the different video, Amy was supposed to be important to Ben… well the actress did not came back apparently, Claire, the ash around Jacob’s house, why was Penny called at the end of season 2 and 3, why people are drugged before taking the sub, why Sun is not with the others back in time, why Richard tells her that he saw them die, what did “losing his innocence” means, how AJ knew about the past (giving Richard a “loophole”compas and how Jacob knew about the past (aka visiting the losties)…
And I am sure I will find some more while writing my theories.
December 29th, 2009 at 5:20 am
I watched the re-make of The Prisoner on AMC. I thought it was pretty good. A real mind screw that is for sure! I love how the end leaves you wondering if you even really know what you you just watched
December 29th, 2009 at 7:54 am
Lingering question: the Black Rock; and how it came to be on the Island. I know there’s plenty of conjecture as to how and why it’s there; but I just want to see it (and also the state of the island when the Black Rock did arrive – how much of the “ruins” were there already?)
December 29th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
We are really enjoying season 5 bluray sessions, having gone 1-4 also in the (eternal it seems) hiatus. I have to admit that season 3, which I hated on initially, ranks as my favorite on a sequential review. Looks much better in the rearview mirror.
Compliments to Yann for a great list of questions extant. My hope is that Lost can be ‘tied up’ centrally, with a theme of exposition that results in ‘Whoa!!’ and ‘WTF!’, without resorting to little offshoots to answer little questions. I want the central disclosure about what we have been watching to suffice, and allow us then to use that insight to piece together, on our own, the logical answers to all the questions that remain.
I predict (and hope) it won’t satisfy at the moment of initial broadcast, but will cement Lost’s rep in time to come. Which will allow each of us to answer questions in a manner that satisfies us. We have been given some delicious mysteries, and I want to savor them. While I call for Season 6, I regret I am calling for the end.
So, in response to the question posed by R&J, I hope they DON’T answer a lot of ‘questions’, but evocatively pull back the curtain for a ‘look at the wizard’. And through that look, with diligent insight, we can begin to understand the questions.
December 29th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
Libby. Libby. Libby.
I was actually at the panel at the Writer’s Guild and wanted to ask the writing team if we had any chance of ever getting back to Libby’s story, and if not, would they at least tell us where they were going with Libby when we saw her in the Institution with Hurley — or with Desmond in the coffee shop, for that matter.
I never got a chance to ask, though.
December 30th, 2009 at 4:47 am
Hi guys,
As always you guys are hard to top!
I have many questions that I’d like to have answered. One is very basic, why 815, was there a special reason? What made Walt so special? Why the polar bears on the island and in Africa? Oh so many…. ….I certainly hope though that they do not try to answer everything, where would all the fun and podcasts be if they do?
The reason that I am writing this is though that listening to your latest podcast and Jen’s belief that there are two Lockes. He was unwilling to kill his father but had no problem knifing Naomi. Well between the two events he was shot by Ben and was left for dead in the pit. He got back up and out of that pit with the help of Walt, if there was one moment where a “second” Locke appeared it must have been then. If you guys remember, we thought he was a goner when we saw that episode where Ben shot him. Only to come back….
So long….
December 30th, 2009 at 11:08 am
Oh, here’s a really silly question that’s been bugging me: how did Hugo get his nickname Hurley?
December 30th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
In the first season, there was the inference that Aaron was tied in with the history of the island. My question is, HOW? What is the true, mythic significance of our favorite turnip-headed little Goober?
I’m listening to this week’s podcast for the second time (you guys keep me company while I prep lesson plans!). I was moved by Charlie’s death, too, obviously, and got the choke in the throat as his hand went up to cross himself, then was shaken out of the moment when I realized he was doing it totally backwards. In the West, the sign of the cross is made with the right hand, moving up to the forehead, down, across to the left shoulder, and back to the right shoulder. Charlie was using his LEFT hand, and moving up, down, back to the left, and across to the right. No cradle-Catholic former choirboy would, under any circumstance, no matter how stressful, get this wrong.
Did anybody else notice this? Do we think there’s any significance to it, or was it just a mistake?
December 30th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
@Docjkm: I am wondering if BluRay is really all that? Is it worth it. How does it enhance your experience? ps. I agree w/ your S.3 assessment, I nearly gave up on the show but found the Transmission and all the terrific listener feedback here.
@Melonpool: awesome question. So much came up with Season 4 that seemed skipped over in this season. Libby chief among them.
I also decided to review the Pilot to come up with my next question/s;
Why did Jack end up so deep in the forest after the crash? (Think about this knowing Matthew Fox is the only actor who claims to know the ending)
Note: He passes a shoe hanging in a tree….as he comes to the crash site.
I have a little theory regarding shoes/feet as an underlying LOST theme:
This has to do with feet “grounding” you. Feet being closest to ground (at least when we are upright and moving) Jack sees a shoe to ground him to the immediate situation, Kate takes shoes to begin to participate in a journey (her first hike w/Jack). This theme continues from here on out the entire series. I’m sure we can find instances throughout.
My other season 6 question resulting from my pilot rewatch:
Was the Pilot really alive or just reanimated so the Island could give important information to Jack (them being off course, etc) so that the Losties would “settle down”.
Note: Jack going back for Charlie, is the very first time “going back” happens then becomes a recurrent theme, too. Kate goes back for Jack just after.
My other theory stemming from my Pilot rewatch for Season 6:
I.Anyone that died on the crash (or shortly after) that we witnessed will be leading untroubled and regular lives. {The Pilot, the Marshall, etc}
II. Anyone that died in the next 108 days will still encounter choices/challenges that they died because of and still die. {Boone, Sharon, Ana Lucia, etc}
III. Anyone that “survived” 815 crash will encounter challenges in the new timeline that will bring them to the same degree of evolution they experienced on Island. {All the principal characters except Jack/Locke who we’ll learn are the characters that exemplify the age old Black vs White struggle and remain that way for eternity}
My final big question after my pilot rewatch:
What was the secret Lock told Walt? This could be the underlying big key to the entire show..
December 30th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
Still loving your podcast…I think I will have to skip those Forward Cabin segments from now on. Such juicy news coming out of that cabin.
Biggest mystery: What does going into the temple do to change people? Richard Alpert takes young Ben inside to save him, saying that he will be “one of us”. Danielle Rousseau’s friends were obviously changed as well, after being dragged into the temple by Smokey.
My guess: The person going into the temple dies. Their bodies are possessed. But whatever is possessing their body has all of their memories and can fool people for a period of time. This could also explain evil Locke to a degree.
Another mystery: Jack’s father, is he really Jack’s dad, or another one of these evil duplicates?
My guess: I think Jack’s father is one of the “good dead people” and I can’t wait to see him meet his son again.
December 30th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
I’m with others in wondering about Walt and “being special”. I would also like to know about Libby and the institution and her meeting Desmond. We seemed to have seen two different Libbys, so what was up with that. Also that look she had when hugging Hurley at the end of Dave always bothered me. She had a look like someone going through the motions because she was being made to do so. I got the feeling she was working for someone possibly Widmore.
Kristin at EOnline just posted that Miles will apparently be “talked to” by one our dead Losties that we won’t be seeing in season 6. Since we’ve been told again and again by Cuse & Lindelof that Libby’s not coming back, maybe they can have her story told through him. I want resolution to her story!
Can’t wait until season 6, yet sad about it at the same time. It means the end.
December 30th, 2009 at 5:54 pm
Great comments, I want to know about the Quarantine, smokey, and the whispers and why Richard never ages.
December 30th, 2009 at 5:55 pm
Also anybody figure out the clues hidden in the final poster that was sold?
December 30th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
The question I want answered is where did Desmond come from? He hasn’t had a childhood flashback in all the seasons. I think it is important in the interconnected family thing to see where he came from unless he is not real, lol. If he really is special, I think we might get the answer to where he came from (significant or insignificant parents/background) in S6.
January 1st, 2010 at 8:33 am
I was wondering why Charlie felt he needed to die, until it hit me. Remember, back in Catch-22, Desmond believed that Penny came to the island, but by saving Charlie, he changed the future. It seems likely that Charlie was in the same mindset. If he dies here, then things will play out exactly as Desmond saw.
January 1st, 2010 at 6:04 pm
Just found the show recently and I’ve enjoyed it. I actually got the travel package for the trip after listening to it.
My question is who the people who watched Hurley and came after Sayid with the tranquilizers were working for and why.
I’m hoping they answer who was shooting at Locke and company in the other outrigger during the time jumps.
How women stopped being able to give birth after becoming pregnant on the island is also something I’m interested in finding out.
January 2nd, 2010 at 10:12 am
@Fizzelhoff – good question
@The OakRaider – Welcome to the Transmission and good questions!
Question for R&J – this board will have a lot of activity, I imagine, when Season 6 starts, Is it possible to split the board into topics or anything like that?
January 2nd, 2010 at 12:10 pm
Why did Walt speak backwards to Shannon? The more questions everyone brings up, the more I wonder about. So many questions to be answered.
January 2nd, 2010 at 12:31 pm
My husband (who claims to NOT be a Lost fan, but watches with me anyway
) came up with a few questions that haven’t been asked by your listeners yet (well, I think Yann from France asked some of these, but I will expand on them):
1) What is the Dharma/Others connection when it comes to the Swan station? The 108-minute countdown clock has hieroglyphics which are evident in the hostiles’ temple — could this be an indication of a Dharma/Others collaboration?
2) Where did the Dharma food & supply drops come from for the Swan station? They only arrive after a button has been pushed (or something like that), and the drops seem to happen immediately, so it isn’t like a plane could load up, take off, and make it out to the island in that short amount of time. Our theory: They were catapulted from Otherton. The pallet could have been loaded up and attached to the catapult way ahead of time, and be ready to launch whenever that button was pushed.
3) Why did Richard tell Locke he had to kill his father to become the leader of the Others? And how did he know that it was the guy responsible for the death of Sawyer’s parents (he gave Locke that file on Sawyer)? Did Jacob tell him? And if he did… why?
We LOVE listening to your podcast, R&J, and February 2 begins a bittersweet season for us all. Maybe you’ll entice us to watch a new show in the future?
January 2nd, 2010 at 3:30 pm
Marna – Jacob knew about Sawyer, he gave him a pen to write the letter.
I believe Ben told Locke he had to kill his father.
I also felt like the dharma food drops were in some kind of time glitch.
Lucky you that your husband will watch with you. He had some good questions. My husband doesn’t watch it so it helps to talk about it to all of you (and my friends). I wish he did watch so I could convince him to go to Hawaii for the preview on the beach in Jan.
January 2nd, 2010 at 5:26 pm
I just finished rewatching “The Constant” and noted that Keamy calls Desmond, “My friend” twice. I think that in the past other viewers have attached some significance to this phrase. Does anyone think that there is an important connection between the people who use this phrase, and if so- how does Keamy fit into that? Also, I was thinking about how Richard doesn’t age and how he said Jacob made him that way. It reminded me slightly of the legend of the Wandering Jew- that man who was not allowed to die becasue he did not believe in Jesus at first. There are variations of the legend, but I was wondering if perhaps Richard’s story has aparallel to this one. Perhaps he did not believe Jacob was anything special when he first met him. Just some thoughts. I love this podcast and think that you both do such an amazing job! Thank you for your time!
January 3rd, 2010 at 2:12 am
@Marna and Carol: 3) The Others knew everything about Jack due to the Flame station. And for the same reason they knew about James Ford and Locke… and by cross checking the 2 they found out that John father did to James parent. So did Richard.
The reason “why” is more important.
1) Hieroglyphics are studied in Dharma school so it is no surprise that they might be seen at the end of the count down.
2)The drop food doesn’t come when you push a button. It just happened and nobody saw any airplane. It might come from othertown… the most interinging thing is its content: Dharma stuff AND Widmore stuff… Yet Widmore left the Island after the end of Dharma. So how come the 2stuff are in the drop? Time travel can not justify that. Othertown sending stuff to Kevin and Desmond pretending to be Dharma… maybe. But everyone knows I think it’s parralel universe drop. I hope we will find out.
January 5th, 2010 at 8:23 am
There are plenty of very old (Season 1) questions left to be answered but a more recent one that I’m very curious about comes from Season 5. While the Island was flashing through time during “The Little Prince,” Locke and company are trying to get to the Orchid and use an outrigger canoe they found on the “old” beach camp. During their journey they notice that they are being persued by another outrigger but cannot see who is in it. After being fired upon, Juliet begins to shoot back and hits someone on the other canoe. I was sure we would find out who was in that other canoe during “The Incident” but since we didn’t I’m hoping that we will during Season 6. So my questions are: Who was in that other canoe? Did Juliet kill a future version of one of our Losties specifically future Sawyer?
January 6th, 2010 at 4:40 am
A quick comment after listening to this podcast while out for lunch.
People are still commenting on this idea that it wasn’t Jacob in the cabin, and it wasn’t Jacob talking to Ben – it was the man in black, or Esau as i shall refer to him. If these ideas are palatable, why are people still comfortable with the idea that Jacob doesn’t like technology? Surely it’s ESAU that doesn’t like it!
Jacob is hardly going to be recoiling from the flashlight, and then riding in a taxicab with Hurley.
Thanks guys
–
aaron
January 6th, 2010 at 7:10 am
@Theresa in D-town: my wife and I noticed Charlie’s backward blessing too. Strange for a show that knows how observant it’s viewers can be to make this mistake. Maybe they were just demonstrating how hard it is to bless yourself underwater moments before you die???
All great questions posted and I do hope we get some answered. I didn’t see this one yet. I know it’s not a crucial plot point (I don’t think). But will we ever find out what one snowman said to the other? I bet it’s a great punchline!
Love the podcast Ryan and Jen!
January 6th, 2010 at 7:50 am
Quite simply, I want to know what happens after all the characters finally “wake up” and reality changes?
So many great comments. I wish I could have been posting more, but life is what happens while you’re busy making other plans.
@Lynn
I believe that Hurley implied to Jack that he got his nickname from the after effects of too much drinking.
Ilias always has great takes even if he is our primary skeptic. Why 815? We now believe it was a product of Jacob’s design as he chose many of the passengers to be brought to the island. Wouldn’t it be a great scene if Jacob accidentally bumped into Frogurt while handing Jack an Apollo bar or something? Sorry for that digression.
@ Bonita. Yes! Why did Jack land so far away in the jungle?
@Kidflash I second this question as well. What happens in the temple and how does it change those who enter?
@Danidee Friends vs Family. The guiding principle of two competing factions for control of the island. Notice how often survivors also denounce friendship, most notably Jack to Ben in Hoffs-Drawlar. “They’re not my friends anymore.” Ben chides him with an air of disappointment when he says sarcastically, “that’s the spirit.” Friendship is elective, a meritocracy. Family is predetermined and, if it goes the way I think it will, supercedes morality.
@Yann
I’ve always argued that the presence of Widmore items was good evidence that something wasn’t quite right about the food drop. Widmore had been exiled for quite some time and they’re still dropping in his MacCutcheon’s?
@tinyblob
Very interesting point about Esau and technology. We don’t know what, if anything, we can believe about what Ben says of Jacob. However, I still think this aversion applies to Jacob because Esau manipulates these devices to deceive and destroy us.
January 6th, 2010 at 8:32 am
I have a theory about the elusive hidden clue from The Pilot (unless it’s been answered?), which I’ve been keeping to myself for awhile, but I don’t have the particular skill to decipher it.
In The Pilot, Charlie, agitated by withdrawl, nervously taps his fingers on the arm of his seat. I think it’s possible he taps out something in morse code. Coded language is a recurring theme and it wouldn’t be the only time we’ve seen morse on Lost (Farday’s message to the freighter which Bernard accurately translates.)
Can someone help us and either confirm or reject this idea?
I would hope it’s not something already known such as, “Am I alive?”
It’s interesting to note that Morse, in some ways, is also kind of a dead language with very few practical uses any more which is why Faraday was so confident no one would know the difference if he lied about it. Latin and pictographic Egyptian are dead languages as well. To me, the myriad of languages on Lost hint at the deceased proto-language in use when humanity was unified before the ruin of Atlantis/fall of the tower of Babel.
The Babel story illustrates the power of a common language, positing that humanity could ascend to the heavens if only they would work together. Beyond that, in instances such as “the writing on the wall” referenced at Lost University or in the conjurations of shamans and magicians around the world, the use of special language was thought to have the power to
make the mystical and divine real. Look for some application of this in S6.
January 6th, 2010 at 10:41 am
@Rich: Humanity has been cursed by God because we try to work together to reach Him by building the Babel tower… how? By giving us different languages so that we could not work together anymore and thus bringing war and destruction between all of us because we thought we were worthy.
Jacob’s ladder was a bridge between this world and Heaven. And you know… God loves you as he loved Jacob.
If my theory is right, God thinks he killed Free Will… but I think free made a great tapisery and you know: It only end once, everything before that is progress
January 6th, 2010 at 8:31 pm
Dan from Norristown: I hope you’ve seen all the episodes before I answer your question about the snowman riddle…if not dont continue, but if so…I’ll put it at the end of my little thoughts…
Dani Dee: that was possibly a great connection with Richard Alpert to the tale of The wandering Jew…I had never heard it but through wiki found that story relates also to the legend of the “Flying Dutchman” ghost ship (who’s crew was also cursed to wander for eternity and carried the plague or a sickness).
Then of course I went further and saw where it also relates to the novel “Ulysses” which is seen in Lost…from there I discovered the book seems to have been written very “Lost-ish” ( or vice-versa, actually), contains a chapter named Penelope & on & on… May have to find that one now to read…
…back to snowman riddle… if you saw when Desmond returns from trying to sail away Locke asks him the answer and he replies: “smells like carrots
I will now attempt to stop but hope to think of a few questions that have not been asked by all the great people here!
January 7th, 2010 at 12:31 pm
I’m wondering what you guys think Widmore’s ultimate motives are; I’ve always been more inclined to trust him over Ben, though that seems to be the minority opinion.
And I know it’s not a question, but I’d love to hear your thoughts on the new (and fascinating!) promotional images released for Season Six. http://lostmediamentions.blogspot.com/2010/01/what-clues-are-hidden-in-lost-supper.html
January 8th, 2010 at 1:36 am
@Michelle: quite funny post due to what I wanted to write right now…
I will not (again!) have written my “include all” theorie yet, sorry.
But I was thinking about my last post and I thought: let’s go biblical.
Men being not worthy, crimes and everything. God asked Noe to build an arch, killed everyone except him that LANDED on Mount Ararat… shipwrecked, castawayed.
And in what time did that happen? Egyptian times.
“You brought them here. Still trying to prove me wrong, aren’t you? … They come. They fight. They destroy. They corrupt. It always ends the same. ”
What if the Island is Jacob recreation of Noe’s Arch? Trying to bring all the “worthy” (the lists).
What happened on the last season episode? Jacob is killed and Locke is not Locke. Do you know what Apocalypse means? Revelation. And do you know what will happen at the Apocalyse of John? People will rise from there graves!
We knew Lost had a lot of religious connection but I think it might be even more so than we think.
January 8th, 2010 at 4:10 am
Notes about Charlie – First of all great catch on the backwards sign of the Cross. I am Catholic and I don’t know how I didn’t catch that. Is this a connection with the backwards talking of Walt, or the whispers, or is Dominic just not catholic?
I have wondered if Farraday set the code to music knowing that in the future Charlie has to disable it. Was the Looking Glass built during Dharma times for the sub?
I am now rewatching season 4 in Blu-ray. The quality is great, The beginning of each DVD starts up with the Oceanic Logo and I can’t believe how stupid I have been not to notice that it is an eye.
Are any of you going to Hawaii for Ryan and Jen’s tour? Sounds like fun, wish I could go. (snowing here in MA, so really wishing I could go!)
Watching Eggtown right now – Love Ben’s comment to Locke that he is “evolving”. Which makes me think of Jacob.
January 8th, 2010 at 4:12 am
Question for everyone,
What do you think was the biggest surprise of season 5?
I was very surpised to actually see Jacob and the man in black with the Black Rock approaching the island. That was a great moment.
January 8th, 2010 at 4:13 am
Also Juliet and Sawyer was a shocker, even more so that within one episode I was rooting for them as a couple. They totally sold it with that one scene at the end with the flower.
January 8th, 2010 at 1:04 pm
BEST “ARE YOU SERIOUS?!” MOMENT OF THE DAY:
President Obama moves state of the Union Address so it won’t interfere with the season premiere of Lost.
L O L
January 8th, 2010 at 6:12 pm
Did you see the tweet from Carlton Cuse, he said in exchange he would answer any questions that Obama had about Lost. Oh to have that kind of power.
January 9th, 2010 at 11:26 pm
What did Ben hide in the closet of the hotel room in “Because you left?”
What’s in the guitar case? Will its contents end up wherever Hurley ends up?
Amy and her 1st husband’s romantic obsession with Ankhs…what up with that?
The fertility issues………Walt……….Penny’s Mother…….who built the Lamp Post….what was the light smoke monster that John saw…..what’s really in the temple/how does that work……does turning the donkey wheel create a clone of you (S4 deleted scene w/2 Bens in Tunisia) Jack’s granddad an other?
Man, I’m looking forward to this upcoming podcast.
Thanks for all you do, and for sharing the others lost band with us too.
January 10th, 2010 at 4:26 am
Hi guys, excellent podcast. My question comes from season 1: who is Adam and Eve, the dead bodies found at the caves? Why they were carting those rocks with them?
Something tells me that we will find out who they are in the final season – I think that they are people that we already know… Widmore and Eloise maybe? Aaron and Ji Jeon? Penny and Desmond?
January 10th, 2010 at 6:20 am
Sorry that this is unrelated, but it doesn’t seem like there is a general forum here.
I am on my way to Hawaii for a week long trip, and I would really like to experience something related to Lost while I am there. Does anyone know if they are still filming and what the chances would be to catch any of it? I have been listening to the podcast for several years, and know that Ryan and several other people seem to be pretty knowledgeable about filming locations. Otherwise, does anyone at least know what would be the best beach location that has been used in Lost?
January 11th, 2010 at 3:24 am
I have heard there is an official Lost tour, did you try to google it?
January 11th, 2010 at 3:26 am
Matt – go the Transmission home page – there is a link on the top right for “Are we there yet” Lostlocations.com, which I think Ryan has set up with google map locations for different places that Lost has filmed.
January 11th, 2010 at 8:21 am
Thanks, Carol. I dropped Matt a line. There’s no “official” LOST tour, but there are several providers, and I regularly recommend Ed Kos’ operation out at Kualoa.
January 11th, 2010 at 9:33 am
Thanks for the input, Carol and Ryan. I hope I didn’t derail the discussion too much! I had found some websites on Lost locations before I left, but most of them didn’t seem up to date, so I thought it would be good to find the latest information.
I will report back if I see anything exceptional, but otherwise I will leave a ‘proper’ comment once I catch up with the re-watch.
January 11th, 2010 at 12:42 pm
Like Constantine, I would like to know who Adam and Eve really are. It wasn’t until I saw the finale for Season 5 that I thought that maybe they could be Jin and Sun. When Jacob was at their wedding he stated “Your love is a very special thing” and that they should “never take it for granted”. I haven’t figured out yet how they end up in the caves, since right now they are separated by 30 years, but I figured I would share with everyone.
Also, for anyone in the NY/Long Island area, the band Previously on Lost is playing the night of the season 6 premiere at The Bell House in Brooklyn. After their set, Lost will be projected on a big movie screen for all to view. I went for the Season 5 finale, and it was lots of fun!
January 11th, 2010 at 11:48 pm
@Constantine and Tara: I took for granted that it was Rose and Bernard (black and white) as they might end up the only one left on the 70s but who can tell for sure yet…
@Tara: “never take it for granted” seems more to me like what he said to Jack… He pin pointed their main mistakes during their previous life. Maybe things will be different if they get a second chance as they did while they were on Island. Like “blessed” Hugo who seems to be an all lucky guy now.
January 12th, 2010 at 12:03 am
Ok I posted a lot of questions but what is my top 5:
5_ Ethan super stong (single handed lift Jack and hung Charlie while on the run) and silent Others walking with teddies
4_ The food drop with Dharma logo
3_ The Pearl (because it’s the only thing I can’t make any sense)
2_ Walt
1_ 4 8 15 16 23 42
Not because they are the most important questions (which we will get answer: Quarantine, Christian, the monster, Richard, Claire, Widmore, Jacob etc…) but because they are the first questions raised and I fear we might not know what the hell it was!
January 13th, 2010 at 2:43 pm
I can totally see it being Rose and Bernard in the cave. They would be the type to die together and be content just being on the Island. But that would mean that never jumped back to before the crash with everyone else (if that is what happens, and we all know it does)
Yann, do you think Christian was ever on the Island before or he is only there because of Jack.
January 13th, 2010 at 11:47 pm
@Carol: If you look at the visit of Michael Emerson to the writing staff on season5 DVDs you will see the board where the last episode is written. (obviously what I am going to say now is non-canon defacto)
On this board it is written that Juliet hit the bomb, boom and… Richard see a big white light in the distance.
Therefore it answers 2 questions: Why did Richard told Sun he saw them die (because they were not to be found afterward), and why would Rose and Bernard not jump through time (because they were to far away from the radius to be affected).
The very first thing that happen after the 815 crash is on a mobisode: It’s Christian talking to Vincent telling him go wake my soon he has job to do. (reminissent of the Walt/Locke at the end of season3)
Which bring a very strange question that I would like to get an answer: Does Christian speak Dog? ot even better: Does Vincent speak english?
Other stuff: The Claire seagull, will he be the one thing that alarm the losties that they should have crashed? (and why it was given during the comicon pannel) The Charlie’s Greatest Hits, will it have an effect on “spooky” Claire and help her get herself back together (come on! you don’t leave your kid like that and just answer “I am with him” like somekind of drug addict)
IGN has posted a top50 questions, I haven’t read it yet but why not.
January 14th, 2010 at 3:35 am
Yann, thanks. I haven’t watched my season five set yet, still rewatching season 4. Maybe I’ll watch the extras. I might just have to skip ahead, Feb 2 is coming soon.
BTW, thanks for so many of your theories, they are very interesting.
IGN? What is that?
January 14th, 2010 at 4:02 am
I almost forgot one of the main question! The Whispers! How come we hear them every time people appear (including Christian and Walt)? Are they some sort of opposed of the clink-ting made by the monster or are they not connected? We heard them before the apperance of the other woman or before the barefoot others… Are they connected with the temple?
And just another thing (again) how come the Monster lair is beneth the Temple and the Temple is the only safe place on the Island (probably due to that). Are the Other in the temple, if connected with Smokey, realy working for Jacob? Or are they also manipulated?
January 14th, 2010 at 2:52 pm
My big “this is what I MUST know” list:
1. WHAT IS THE POINT OF WALT?!?!?!?!?!?!?
2. How/why does hurley have visions?
3. Why is aaron or the children important?
4. Kate’s freakin horse…
January 15th, 2010 at 2:35 am
@Jesse: I don’t know “why” (except it is a “blessing” and not a curse… I wonder who is able to grant blessing… Like immortalty) but I think I know why… With so many dead people speaking throu AJ lately we realy need to hear more from one of them (Like… Someone that could grant blessing and who is now dead).
The childrens… Well, if due to a curse you can’t have children but on the other hand you don’t want to bring new people. You need to take children when you can!
Kate’s undead horse… Except a symbolism of her “run like the wind” spirit… That was a strange case indeed.
Walt… I think they took “the boy” as they just usually do, not knowing that he was special. When they found out, they were more than happy to get rid of him. I think we can identify Walt as the Australian Healer (Rose and Bernard one) who was in the most powerful “place”. And now that he is away he is far less powerful… Maybe his only outside Island power will show up when he succefuly brings a seagull to him (Claire’s). (And I grant this last theory “the most far fetched theory I ever wrote!” (aka the “from pacific Island to New York theory”)).
I hope the podcast will soon be up or who knows what other stupidity I might write! I should stick to writing my global theory from what we know instead of guessing.
January 15th, 2010 at 5:17 am
Great show guys, keep up the good work it. Do you have any plans to do a full show rewatch when Lost has finally finished? Prior to season 5 starting, I rewatched seasons 1-4 and, knowing what I now know, it really shed a great deal of light on things. To rewatch the entire show after season six, will certainly be a fascinating experience and one that i would love to do with the wider Lost community.
As for questions that need answering, how about these:
1) Why is Walt so special?
2) Does Richard never age or does he jump around in time like the Losties, giving him the appearance of never aging (thus having a similiar effect to when Daniel appears to a young and older Mrs Hawkings in a matter of days and she can’t understand how he hasn’t aged)
3) Is Claire dead?
4) What is the Shepherd family’s connection to the island?
5) Whatever happened to the Hanso Foundation?
6) Who make’s Ben’s hairpieces?
7) Who exactly was Libby, and who was she working for?
And so many more…..
January 15th, 2010 at 7:32 am
1) what is the relationship between the smoke monster and the Man In Black?
2) What event led to the destruction of the statue?
January 15th, 2010 at 10:47 am
@Matt – Who makes Horace’s hair piece and all the other ones, they are pretty bad. Is it a joke with the crew now? Horrible hair pieces are a must?
January 15th, 2010 at 11:11 am
I noticed something while helping a friend catch up that I didn’t before in the episode “expose” …Hurley says the bad guy on the show was clouded in mystery for 4 seasons….near that Flocke was introduced in season five & gives weight to theory he has always been bad guy …but pehaps “bad twin” is much more to think about now too…I’m fired up!
January 15th, 2010 at 4:31 pm
On the topic of mysteries still to be answered:
What the heck is the Hurleybird? They spent significant $ on creating the CGI effect, so I’m guessing that there’s a reason.
Also, what is meant by the “Dark Territory?” Is this the land that Anti-Jacob lives on?
January 15th, 2010 at 4:52 pm
Is it my imagination, or is Desmond the only remaining regular who’s parents we’ve never met? Is that significant?
January 17th, 2010 at 6:53 pm
Sunday night… here waiting…
love you guys, though
January 17th, 2010 at 6:55 pm
also, I hope they go over Adam and Eve
it’s a boerderline wonder, but I’d like to know who that is… while apparently not central to the plot, it WAS raised in a not-insignificant manner, and it shouldn’t take TOO long to discus, right? RIGHT?
thanks for the wonderful work you guys do….
January 18th, 2010 at 3:27 am
No Golden Globe this year… But we all know they are keeping them for next year!
Ok listening to the Dave rewatch podcast and I am wondering: Why Ben told John: “God doesn’t know how long we’ve been here, John. He can’t see this island any better than the rest of the world can.”????
Dave is a great episode! Dave is a also a great mistery… And brings lot of hints: the radio broadcast from the past (because the Island baring can brings things from different time period), the leader that would kill Ben if he talked and who is not Tom (Jacob!), Ben has been caught intentially (meet John the futur “leader” from the post, and get the people from “the list” to cure him) …
Ho and about Peneloppe beeing phoned at the end of season2, you said that Charles must have listened to her phone calls. But, why would she be looking for the magnetic anomally while she doesn’t know where Desmond is? Charles however want to find the Island so she must be working for her father who then send the freighter. And at the end of seaons 3 when Charlie tells her he is with Desmond she then decide to take a boat to go there (and by doing that she saved the one from the helicopter). That doesn’t explain the “incoming transmission” and “how did you find this number” but it is the most logical answer (ok i know I should sum it up as I said I would instead of posting short theories like that. I will before the premiere, this I promised! As Henry Gale would have said: I have stopped with lying! (what a joker))
January 18th, 2010 at 5:02 am
Digidoug: Have you read Island by Aldus Huxley?
The book, which influenced the show in a number of ways, included Minor birds which, because of the ammount of time they spent around humans, would repeat words like “warning”. My thought on the subject of the Hurley bird is that the writers are alluding to the Minor birds from Island, and the reason it calls Hurley’s name is because it has heard the Losties use it.
Just a thought
January 18th, 2010 at 7:30 pm
@Bonita in Atlanta- Yes, BluRay is all that. Lost is a cinematic experience best appreciated in best format available. As I use an HD projector and 10ft screen, the improvement in resolution is definitely called for, and great. Nothing has me as jazzed as getting ready for the final season. Avatar in 3D IMAX was fantastic, but Lost is BY FAR the most compelling thing in the world of entertainment I have experienced. And the creators/writers have my gratitude for playing ‘up’ to us.
January 18th, 2010 at 9:44 pm
@Digidoug I really like your desmond parent point….
that HAS to mean something.
January 19th, 2010 at 2:16 am
The new add indeed ask the main mystery: “How come these people have friends?” Come on! They all are self centred, egoist, living all in there own world:
Jack, father-issues lacks of confidence (turn that into sceptisism). John, father-issues lacks of confidence (turns that into faith). Ben, father issues lacks of confidence (turns thant into lies). Sawyer, obsessed by his parent killer (turns to himself). Sun, marital-issues (turns to passitivity). Jin, marital-issues (turns to agressiveness). Hurley, thinks he is cursed (turns to cowardise). Sayid, extoturor (turns to self-blaming). Kate, exkiller due to parental issues (turns to running away). Claire, young mother deserted by her father and her child father (turns to giving up). Charlie, brother-issues (turns to drug addicted). Eko, brother issues (turns that into gangsterism). Desmond, comitement issues (turns to fate). Daniel, mother issues (turns that into braining his memory out with an experiment). Miles, parental issues (turns that into greed)… And I could keep on with all the others character!
We are all amazed by the lack of comunication between them all but the truth is that it’s quite amazing that those people allow themself to speak to each others when they are so self-contempt in their own private world!
No wonder that they are not on Jacob’s lists and are considered to be “bad” people.
We have seen them developped a great deal during the first 5seaons and it is going to be the great reveal of this season. How are they going to change and finally: Live together and not die alone.
January 19th, 2010 at 3:11 am
when is the new podcast aired?
January 19th, 2010 at 7:59 am
Wacky time again!
Stupid theory no2: on the DVD extra of season 2 you can circle throug the relationship between all the losties. Jack, Christian and Claire are connected to a black waving silouaite. That is a mystery that I would like to get answer. Now here is the wacky theory: What if the loophole wasn’t the compass and John? You who are so shoe obsessed… What if it was the shoes? Everyone has been wondering what was so criptic with Jack grandfather and how he wanted to go back somewhere? What if he was AJ and took over has John due to his shoes? (It was the stupid shoe theory)
January 19th, 2010 at 3:28 pm
@yann
wow, can you imagine if the bad guy to the whole series is Jack’s Grandfather?!?! That would be amazing! That would explain why both Christian and Claire are so buddy buddy with him (or why he picked to inhabit Christian instead of what I assume were numerous other dead bodies when the plane crashed).
January 20th, 2010 at 12:13 am
13 days
January 20th, 2010 at 9:16 am
Hey Ryan and Jen, great season three podcast, hope you guys still plan on doing a podcast before the premiere with all the questions we want answered. Take care!
January 20th, 2010 at 6:51 pm
holy shnikes@13 days
W00T!!!
January 21st, 2010 at 1:25 pm
Next week they are playing the season finale again. I wonder if it will be an enhanced version. Anybody know anything? What will be the new time? Tuesdays at 9:00?
January 21st, 2010 at 6:50 pm
MattH – Thanks for the tip. May need to add that to my list to read!
January 21st, 2010 at 6:54 pm
Thanks, everyone, for the great comments and conversation! We’re sorry our podcast got pushed back. We’ve been swamped with “Sunset on the Beach” preparations, and meanwhile, got stuck wrestling with the logistics of the prize giveaway and a huge torrent of “unanswered questions” here and via e-mail. We’re hoping it’ll happen this weekend!
January 21st, 2010 at 6:59 pm
I’m sure someone else has noticed this, but I’ve just watched the season 5 finale again and noticed something. When ‘Dark Locke’ arrives at the statue with the others, he says something like “that’s a very nice foot Richard, but when are we going to see Jacob?” When Richard tells him that Jacob lives in the foot, he seems genuinely surprised – yet at the beginning of the show we see Jacob and Anti-Jacob having their conversation at the base of the statue. Does this mean that Dark Locke is not in fact Anti-Jacob but a third entity? (Ow, my brain hurts!)
January 21st, 2010 at 9:27 pm
@Ryan and Jen: Thank you again for the podcast and this blog. Hope it doesn’t take too much of your time and that it is as much a pleasure for you to do it as it is a pleasure for us to listen to it. So take your time, have fun.
@Digidoug: When he meets Jacob near the statue Jacob is eating a fish (fishing is easier on a beach that on land I suppose) and waiting for the Black Rock. It happens near the statue but AJ thinks he is there because of the fishing/Black Rock sighting. AJ tells him he will find a loophole and kill him, then Jacob tells him: “When you do, I will be right here”. I think that what struck AJ was that he actually was “right here”, at the foot.
January 22nd, 2010 at 12:49 pm
Ryan and Jen, I agree with Yann, don’t stress about the podcast. We understand that you have to juggle the podcast with work, your family and next weekend’s activities. Have fun this week and I hope that you get a great turn out for your travel package.
Anybody on this board going?
Yann- good theory re: AJ. Do you watch the episodes multiple times? You pick up lots of details.
I am a bit frustrated, I was hoping to watch season 5 again this month and due to family obligations I haven’t been able to watch any of it. I have to somehow try to get in one or two episodes a day. I see some late nights in my future.
12 days!!
January 22nd, 2010 at 5:03 pm
Ryan and Jenn – Love out to you. CHILL! (or at least as much as you can). I think we all agree that this is fun, and you, of all, should be having it.
@Yann- Cudos re: Dave episode. Yup, that’s a gold mine.
January 23rd, 2010 at 9:04 am
@Ryan and Jen: No one is complaining about you taking longer than expected. We’ll all still be here. But you could have sold your “please hang in there” better. I would have gone with movie trailer style –
“Legend tells of podcast so epic, that to merely listen to it will drive men mad. When an average couple accidentally releases it over the internet, the world will never be the same. This winter, the adventure begins. Transmission.”
January 23rd, 2010 at 9:05 am
Oh ya, and you have to do the above ina movie trailer voice.
January 23rd, 2010 at 11:24 am
Jesse, love it!
January 23rd, 2010 at 9:16 pm
You can also do it as a silly comedy movie trailer too:
“Ryan and Jen were just an average couple with a boring life and a lame job. That is until the day they met Lost. And when they needed it most, a Podcast became part of their lives. This winter, get ready to turn the donkey wheel. Ryan and Jen are – The Transmission.”