Two for the Road
Didn’t see that coming. “LOST” returns after another agonizing hiatus with a bang. Several actually. What happened to Ana Lucia might not have been too surprising, but how it happened was. And the next two bullet victims left us reeling. Jen was even more disturbed by the preview for next week. Things are getting ugly really fast. While I think “Two for the Road” kick-started things nicely, on the whole it was a somewhat uneven episode, with shocking moments but muddled motives. And save for a reveal about Jack’s dad, the flashback was largely a head-scratcher.
So, Michael’s betraying the survivors for the Others, presumably still blindly motivated by his search for his son. His assessment of the Others’ capabilities clearly a lie, and several moments where it’s obvious he saw — and was subjected to — some horrific things. Jack’s ready to lead the charge, but underestimates the enemy, setting the stage for a messy showdown.
Ana Lucia, meanwhile, rushes us through an awfully contrived explanation of why she was in Sydney, a few now-expected flashback crossovers with other characters, jumps Sawyer’s bones, and gets a weak set of epiphanies (no longer running away, no longer killing for revenge) before getting dispatched with little fanfare.
The creators of “LOST” now insist that she was always going to be a one-season character, but her “resolution” seems so weak there’s no way you can’t connect it to Michelle Rodriguez’s real-world troubles.
Still, that Michael was the one to do it was a “holy crap” moment. And Libby? An even bigger surprise. (Recent Hollywood buzz notwithstanding.) That Libby was shot accidentally, in a panic, is reminiscent of how Shannon was killed. Of course, the fact that she was holding blankets in front of her has similarly sparked elaborate theories that she’s not dead. Jen’s convinced it’s curtains for her. I say she’s not dead… yet. I’ll bet her last words will be “Michael did it.” Bummer for Hurley, though.
Was Henry coming for Locke? Seems iffy to send one guy to get him, but then again, it’s fair to say Locke just might have gone willingly. Did Locke make the “good person” list? I’m not sure. We’ve already seen him get two different “verdicts” in his encounters with the “monster.” Everything else Henry has said was simply to mess with his head, so I don’t think this was any different. It’ll just further muddy Locke’s loyalties when the battle royale goes down.
So, Christian Shepherd has a daughter in Australia, and he’s been supporting her and her mother from afar. Jack’s made allusions to his dad being unfaithful, and it better explains Dr. Shepherd’s post-disgrace departure for Sydney. It’s interesting that Jack may have a half-sister, but even more interesting are the theories that she’s Claire. After all, Claire is the only Australian native on the island (if you exclude Cindy), and we know from her flashback that her father was absent (her boyfriend makes reference to all her “daddy abandonment crap”) and that her mother would disown her for getting knocked up. While some pre-crash connections between our survivors seem flimsy, this one would be pretty cool.
The fake Hanso Foundation commercial (pity they had to have the ABC disclaimer), and the spiffy new Hanso Foundation website, are pretty cool too.
Notes and notions:
- Jen was thrilled with the “Say Anything” reference. It’s one of her favorite movies. But I love her anyway. Jen brilliantly noted that “Say Anything” is also a story about “daddy issues.”
- When Michael goes on and on about the primitive nature of the Others, why do Kate and Jack not express a hint of doubt, considering they know about the fake beard and theater glue?
- Okay, so Christian Shepherd obviously didn’t need protection in Sydney, just a driver. Why ask a stranger in an airport bar? There wouldn’t be tough chicks in Australia? And why would Ana Lucia suddenly up and go with this random traveler, after sticking around in L.A. long enough to get a T.S.A. job? Again, it felt badly contrived. And it made Ana Lucia’s flashback feel more like his flashback, an awkward mix I don’t think they’ve attempted before. It’s as if this episode was going to be another Jack story before the word came down to dump Ana Lucia, pronto.
- Jen’s been waiting for another Tom to surface, and she got it in Ana Lucia’s alias for Dr. Shepherd. Odd that he picked Sarah — the name of his daughter-in-law, Jack’s wife — for her. Dr. Shepherd and Sarah? That, too, could explain a few things.
- Ana Lucia and Sawyer? Really, what was the point? There was more sexual tension between her and Sayid. And I might be willing to accept that Sawyer was dense enough to get conned out of a gun for sex, but I can’t believe he could get his pants back on and walk back to the beach and only notice it’s gone when Jack confronts him.
- Sawyer’s “Midnight Cowboy” cameo in the flashback was pointless, but amusing.
- It took us forever to find out that Mr. Eko was building a church. How many episodes will we have to wait to figure out what Sayid’s hole is for?
- Numbers: Cop cars had them on their roofs. Michael counted 22 Others, which would be 23 if you add Henry.
- Music: “After Midnight” by Patsy Cline makes a repeat appearance.
- Books: “Bad Twin” comes back yet again. I’m officially annoyed.
Links:
- Damon Lindeloff: “Everybody is going to think we’re killing her off because she got a DUI.”
- The Hanso Foundation
- “Two for the Road” discussion fora at TheFuselage.com and Lost-Forum.com.
May 3rd, 2006 at 4:04 pm
Huh. I guess now I see why Cynthia Watross took that job on that pilot with Tom Cavanaugh. And I guess Michelle Rodriguez had time to spare for her jail sentence.
May 3rd, 2006 at 4:07 pm
didnt see that coming……the deaths yes, but not the triggerman!
May 3rd, 2006 at 4:08 pm
wow, hanso commercial?
wow.
just wow.
May 3rd, 2006 at 4:09 pm
wow, that left me speechless (well it did when it happened, but i guess that wore off). the writers sure do knwo how to get people re-hooked on the show after a couple weeks off!
May 3rd, 2006 at 4:11 pm
I thought the flashback crossovers were amusing. Who runs into a car door? However, I missed the Hanso ad flipping over to Wednesday night baseball. How long til a link is up?
May 3rd, 2006 at 4:12 pm
Did anyone call the Hanso phone number? Also, check out the new web site at thehansofoundation.org.
May 3rd, 2006 at 4:12 pm
Yah, that Hanso commercial was cool. Did they give a URL? Pretty great episode. Who’s Jack’s sis then? Claire?
May 3rd, 2006 at 4:16 pm
Did anyone notice Mikes head wound, Labotomy maybe?
May 3rd, 2006 at 4:20 pm
omg Idid not see that coming at all, almost had to thow up what a shocker!!!!
And Michael is the trator omg, now what omg that’s all I can say, totally speechless
May 3rd, 2006 at 4:28 pm
1.877.hansoorg
WOW. I need some time to collect my thoughts. Wow. Almost worth the wait. Wow.
May 3rd, 2006 at 4:35 pm
You need a password from the “call center” from the TV ad to sign up for the Hanso newsletter. Surprise! The number is busy.
May 3rd, 2006 at 4:38 pm
I must say that was the worst episode ever. I didn’t mind it when Shannon was killed because it felt like it fit in the show, but this was totally unexpected. I just don’t like the direction that the writers are taking the show in and I’m afraid that Lost will only continue to go downhill from hereon out. But I hope it doesn’t…
‘Season Two’ is an efficiently made thriller, cheerfully boring and finally not quite worth the ordeal it has put us through. At least that’s my take on it.
May 3rd, 2006 at 4:39 pm
Michael’s head wound may have something to do with a mind transplant. Michael’s body is definitely being used as a shell (and as a disguise) by Henry’s boss who is/was out to kill him for failing in his mission to bring Locke to the Others’ HQ.
And yea, the Hanso commercial was way cool but I still can’t get onto the new Hanso web site.
May 3rd, 2006 at 4:41 pm
I know what the Hanso commercial was for. It’s for the password to read documents on the hanso website.If you don’t want to know it and figure it out on your own don’t read this. the password is breakingstrain. You click on the newsletter section of the hanso website
May 3rd, 2006 at 4:43 pm
I also heard a rumor that Ana isn’t dead, but will be dying in the upcoming episodes. Only a minor flesh wound
May 3rd, 2006 at 4:52 pm
how about a little more rational explanation
Mike made it to the others, got hit over the head, interrogated, and was held until an opportunity came to use him.
Jack started yelling in the woods and they made Mike a deal…”go get henry out, send him back, and we’ll let walt go…but here is the cover story you must use…
May 3rd, 2006 at 5:01 pm
I clicked on the newsletter on www.thehansofoundation.org/, but nothing happened to where I could enter the password.
May 3rd, 2006 at 5:03 pm
Totally agree, bill.
May 3rd, 2006 at 5:08 pm
It is a metaphor. The island is purgatory. All the characters died when the plane crashed. The “good” or innocent ones (the children) went first to heaven. The other survivors are going through a process of purification. They are for now “lost.” When they arrive at a state of peace, they are ready and they are taken, either by the others or through death. We think Ana went tonight because she reached the point where she was no longer capable of killing.
We’re thinking Sawyer will probably go last.
Anyway that’s our theory.
May 3rd, 2006 at 5:10 pm
I noticed on the hanso website that the “live webcam” on Joop’s corner looks like it might have information hidden inside.
A couple of times, its formed a shadowy silhouette of someone as well
May 3rd, 2006 at 5:18 pm
Sorry bill but having Michael (or whoever is really inside his earthly body–whether it’s Albert Hanso or whoever) actually believe that Walt will be let go by the Others under any conditions is a bit of a stretch.
The Others (in their boatbilly makeup) made it quite clear when they shot at the raftees last season that they could not let Walt leave.
As far as the purgatory metaphor: the show’s creators have repeatedly stated that the show had nothing at all to do with purgatory.
May 3rd, 2006 at 5:28 pm
Yikes! This show, in the last two seasons, has left me variously surprised, amused, teary-eyed, disappointed, and sometimes confused. But this was the first time I was stunned. STUNNED! It was all too much to take in, the flashbacks, the island narrative, and the last five minutes. And a Hanso commercial! Talk about a lot of food to chew!
One thing: perhaps the most significant moment in the show was the conversation between “Henry” and Locke. It once and for all placed Henry with the Others, and Locke got to mull over the whole concept of “The Good Ones” vs. “The Bad Ones”.
But why does Kate contiinue to be mum (except to Jack) on the subject of the clothes and fake beards found in the medical hatch? It would have put Michael’s description of the Others in their camp in context. but she just sat there. What a show!
May 3rd, 2006 at 5:35 pm
Wait. HeyBrah, so Michael believing the Others would let Walt go is a stretch…but an alien inhabiting Michael’s body totally jives with the plot
up to this point?
Hm.
May 3rd, 2006 at 5:51 pm
Definitely shocked with tonights episode. Especially when I was just starting to get to like Ana Lucia. Michael looks like he is definitely trying to setup Henry as the killer for further justifcation to get everyone riled up to fight the others. He definitely has been on a downward spiral. I hope they rest of the gang find out the truth.
May 3rd, 2006 at 5:55 pm
Okay, the Hanso site is pretty crazy.
Very Donnie Darko.
May 3rd, 2006 at 5:59 pm
I have never missed one episode of Lost but this is the first time I am hearing the word Hanso. I don’t dig as deep as you guys every week (although I will start doing it now) but where did Hanso come from, what all do we know about it and how is it connected with Dharma?
Did anyone notice that the person who got hit by the car door when Jack’s dad was opening it was Sawyer (I tivo’d it and watched in slow motion)? I forget, how did Jack’s dad die? Do we know?
May 3rd, 2006 at 6:01 pm
Go to watch Joops webcam, and send her a message. A whole new screen will open up, where you have to click in several places before a memo/letter appears about a mysterious new strain of Meningitis appearing in Africa, and how it’s linked to Hanso’s life extension project.
very interesting…
May 3rd, 2006 at 6:54 pm
Overall, I thought tonight’s episode was good…up until the end where it was GREAT! Who knew? I agree with those who think that Michael was sent back to release “Henry” for Walt. (I hope) Based on what tonight held and the pre’s for next wk, they are definitely cutting back on some payroll. (And Anna L get’s some more drinking time
I was blown when I saw the commercial for Hanso. WOW! Yes…the line is very busy, but persistence pays off. I got through 5 times and hit all the buttons. “General Info” gets u the password for the new (love it) website, and each one for the executives gives you quick little bits. I am curious about the info off of Hugh McIntyre’s VM and the Korean Offshore Project, Accelerated Remote Viewing Facility and Sri Lanka. Definitely going to get interesting unless it is a huge red herring. And if you haven’t been to the new Hanso site, check it out…IT’S ALIVE!!!
May 3rd, 2006 at 8:33 pm
Dude me and a buddy from work were talking about how Michael was now an other or was brain washed to bring the group of surviors to where the others were at. “henry” metioned that Ana killed two of them. Which two did she kill? Goodwin and________? I caught the Hanso commerical. The next couple of episodes look like they’re going to be great.
May 3rd, 2006 at 8:33 pm
I’ve been calling the number too! That was a busy signal? I thought it was some kind of mysterious beep tone from another hatch.
May 3rd, 2006 at 8:56 pm
I’m confused about this Hanso stuff too. What is it?
May 3rd, 2006 at 10:16 pm
1life1chance: Ana Lucia killed Goodwin and a nameless Other (she cracked his skull with a rock in “The Other 48 Days”). If they don’t forget who killed whom, Charlie and Mr. Eko are also in a spot of trouble.
dzt66 and mtnest: The name Hanso surfaced in the orientation film (Alvar Hanso). The Hanso Foundation and its website was an online phenomenon. There was a mysterious but small site last year, but the new site is much more complex and is part of “The LOST Experience,” an immersive, multimedia game that’s going to run through the summer.
May 3rd, 2006 at 10:34 pm
I found the Sawyer cameo in the flashback kinda funny. If you missed it, it was when “Tom” was opening the door while sitting in the car with Ana Lucia.
May 4th, 2006 at 2:20 am
My theory about Michael is the following:
I think Michael was held and perhaps tortured (physically? mentally?) by the Others. They say to him, “if you want your son back, you need to kill some of your people.” (Perhaps they even stipulate Ana Lucia because she killed two [per Henry] of their men.) I am not sure that they needed him to release Henry… but that may be part of the deal.
Michael shoots Ana Lucia deliberately (but does not seem as though he’s happy about it; in fact he seems remorseful as he’s doing it and quite disgusted with himself, which makes the “brainwash” theories hard to believe), then Libby probably out of shock and so there are no witnesses to what he’s done.
Michael then opens Henry’s cell and then shoots himself… which from the coming attractions we know is a superficial wound. So he probably shot himself so that he can claim Henry did it and shot Ana Lucia and Libby en route to escaping. That keeps culpability away from Michael.
I don’t think Michael did this to stir up the Losties to fight the Others. His sole motivation from early on has been to get him and Walt off the island. Since Walt was taken he has become blinded to anything else and is single-minded in his pursuit. All he wants is to get Walt back, and will stop at nothing — including killing some of the Tailies, and who knows about the other Losties — to do it, no matter how repulsive it sounds.
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The notion that Locke is one of the “good people” is interesting, but I think ol’ Henry’s just blowing smoke. He sees that Locke buys into the mythology and the faith and knows he can play that angle with him. He clearly enjoys playing with people’s minds.
Ryan, I found your point about Kate’s silence re: the other hatches and the makeup very interesting. Why wouldn’t she say something to contradict Michael? Unless she thinks that the Others and the Dharma people are not related?
I also wonder how many more flashbacks Jack’s dad (or Kate’s dad) will wind up in…
I thought this was a really compelling episode. Much more mythology than we’ve seen for a while, and I think it will really rev up interest for the end of the season and season 3.
May 4th, 2006 at 2:49 am
Wouldn’t it be ironic if the day that Michelle and Cynthia were arrested for DUI was also the day that they were given the script to last night’s episode and they got drunk over finding out that they were being killed off?
May 4th, 2006 at 2:52 am
Do we know how Jack’s dad died?
May 4th, 2006 at 2:53 am
I gotta say that I wasn’t shocked that Ana-Lucia was going to go but was blown away that it was Michael to do it. But after the shock wore off it made more sense. I agree with Dave in that Michael has got tunnel vision when it comes to getting him and Walt off of the island.
Was it only me or did anyone else see in the promo what looked like Echo falling off of a cliff ?? I don’t have TiVo so I wasn’t able to go back and check it out.
May 4th, 2006 at 3:17 am
Heh, great episode breakdown, quite eloquent too. Some really nice insights, keep it up.
May 4th, 2006 at 3:23 am
Though I will add that it’s possible Michael is just as against the Others as he ever was, by creating an uncalled for war. Everyone’ll think Henry shot 3 of there own, thus motivating everyone on the beach for the all out war.
May 4th, 2006 at 3:23 am
Isn’t it also possible that the others told Michael: “Kill Ana Lucia and we’ll let you see your son.” Perhaps the offer wasn’t to let Walt go or to release him back to the main group of survivors, but to at least let Michael and Walt see each other.
I doubt he was brainwashed.
Once he found out that there was a prisoner in the hatch he saw his opportunity: he could kill Ana Lucia but make it look like the prisoner did it. Libby was just an unfortunate accident. Had he been brainwashed I doubt he would have been shocked by shooting Libby.
May 4th, 2006 at 3:45 am
Do people actually read other people’s posts on the board, or just log on to make themselves heard? That last post is regurgitating everything I just said.
Needless to say, I agree. =)
May 4th, 2006 at 4:47 am
Kate had already told Jack about the medical hatch and the Others’ “costumes” (I forget in which episode, but she told him that the medical supplies were all gone from that hatch. Jack asked Kate why she hadn’t told him earlier, and she said something about being out of Jack’s clique.)
I think Jack/Kate did glance at each other knowingly when Michael was describing the Others’ camp, and knew something was up with Michael at that point but didn’t want to confront him right then.
May 4th, 2006 at 5:12 am
Overall a good episode, at least the last 10 minutes. I didn’t care too much for the Anna flashback. She always seemed like a spoiled brat. who wouldn’t dig having a mom so interested in you?
It does look like Jack may have a sister if his dad’s sporting around down in OZ.
The ending! Wow. I wonder if Libby is dead? I can’t imagine her surviving unless the chair had some major metal in it.
Ohwell. Good, but not great.
~F
May 4th, 2006 at 5:48 am
WOW. Just wow. Didn’t see it coming… I mean is Micheal doing that to get his son back? He’s leading his whole crew to death. It was an accident shooting hurleys girlfriend. Be seeing that he shot himself. That might bring out another mystery. Is he out of his mind? Will he tell them that he betrayed them. The tension is to beig to wait for the next episode. Probally one of the biggest episodes ever!!!
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May 4th, 2006 at 6:06 am
smart one, they tried to take Echo the first night. Explain to me how he is ready for heaven? what about the woman who was swept off to sea, where did she go? heaven or hell? and if its some sort of purgatory then the others would be…. angels? whatever they are, they get killed just like normal folk. and who is the head hancho, god? henry says hes not very forgiving, and a great man… two discriptions i dont think an angel would use about god. what is the wisp of smoke in your theory? what about the french woman, she is on the island but she didnt crash, her ship was beached…. where did boon and shannon go if they are already in purgatory and werent taken by the others? what is the suggnificance of the hatch, the numbers, the animal, and walts strange ability involving animals, in your theory? what about the people that died in the crash?
you just seem to be so certain, i want to hear what you think about this stuff.
May 4th, 2006 at 6:06 am
dave, i read them. =)
May 4th, 2006 at 6:21 am
1. The Ana-Lucia/Christian connection leads me to wonder if there might be some truth to the “Dharma/Hanso Recruiters” theories I’ve read about in the past. Maybe Christian was meant to somehow get Ana-Lucia to Australia in order to make sure she was on Flight 815.
2. Not the worst episode ever, whoever said that. This episode blew my mind. It looks like the final four hours of Season 2 are going to make slobbering idiots out of us all.
3. Michael is either brainwashed, on board with The Others, or forced to do what he did. Considering his nearly gleeful expression when he shot himself in the arm, I’m voting for brainwashed. He doesn’t have that burning fire in his eyes from before.
4. The Others are definitely a cult. Considering all the clues so far found on the Hanso site and everything that was revealed last night, they are some sort of cult funded by some sort of billionaire.
5. Is the Australian woman who looks old enough to be clare’s sister really going to be clare’s mother? And if so, why would Christian demand to see her, when he could just go out and find her himself?
6. Ana-Lucia’s revelations at the end of the episode leave me to wonder if maybe Henry didn’t say something to her after what we saw that convinced Ana-Lucia to not shoot him. It leads to some wild speculation, but it’s a distinct possibility. Everything she kind of came to in those final moments seemed to be signs of someone about to shoot themselves, so I was so shocked to see her give the gun and the combo to Michael. I can’t remember exactly what she said moments before M started trying to get the gun off of her, but it sounded like what a suicidal person would say. If she really had a turn of heart would she then allow someone else to be a killer??
May 4th, 2006 at 6:37 am
Well, well. Found another site that may be related to the game.
http://globalparadigmscorp.com
Hanso Foundation is mentioned in the client list. I applied for a job in the careers section, but haven’t heard back yet. The mail has not as yet bounced. I knew someone was going to buy it, but I didn’t know who or when. We were totally shocked when Libby got two in the gut. Did not see that coming at all. I’m convinced that between all the mystery, lead characters being killed and now the game and all the sites, LOST is quite possibly the best show that has ever been on TV. My hat is totaly off to the creators. Pure genius.
I really think the job posting on Monster.com was quite innovative. I’ve seen some screen caps for it, but haven’t been able to access it myself. Maybe becasue it’s in Denmark and I’m in Missouri, I don’t know. There are so many clues already, it’s hard to keep track. We’ll have to check the Hanso website daily, I guess, and also fish for others around the web.
May 4th, 2006 at 6:47 am
“but I can’t believe he could get his pants back on and walk back to the beach and only notice it’s gone when Jack confronts him. ”
It’s interesting with this show what liberties people are willing to allow and which ones they’re not. We’re all ready to believe in aliens and consipiracies and fateful coincidences and Skinner-box researchers, but when it comes to people and pants - that’s where we draw the line.
Mind you, there were lots of bizarro discrepencies last night, including that one.
I love this blog!
May 4th, 2006 at 6:51 am
Deanna - the reason you didn’t get a reply is that the site says GPC has been bankrupt since 1995 and that the site is only up for archival purposes.
HOWEVER - wow! Another mystery site. This show blows my mind every minute of the day.
I need a life…
May 4th, 2006 at 6:56 am
Final word (for now)
Someone asked who the two people Ana-Lucia killed were:
Goodwin and a female other - the one with the list of names
(My apologies if this has already been covered. There’s so much to read!!)
May 4th, 2006 at 7:15 am
Regarding GPC… the JavaScript used there was not a part of any browsers that existed back in 1995. I used to work in web development from ‘96 to ‘98; that type of code did not come into existence until late ‘96-early ‘97. Not that that couldn’t have been adeed at a later date, but this is someone (? affiliated with the show or ABC, more likely just a prankster) making a phony site. (In my opinion, at least.)
May 4th, 2006 at 7:17 am
Just saw Michelle Rodriguez on Regis and Kelly…and she confirmed that her character is dead.
May 4th, 2006 at 7:19 am
I think it was the mention of tents that caused Jack and Kate to pass the glance. What will happen to Henry…will he escape?
May 4th, 2006 at 7:25 am
Ryan I wanted to respond to a small part of your review. Although I found your critique of the Ana Lucia flashback well thought out I wanted to add that the combo flashback was intriguing and possibly a sign of the way future flash backs will be dealt with. Rushed and skeletal as it was, it still had a good flow to it in that it is about, on the surface at least, a couple of lifes “emotional” drifters at the potential end of their run. With this in mind the writers didn’t need to go into great depth about the “why.” Part of the draw is the, “Why not?”, attitude they both engage in as their paths “randomly” cross.
Thanks for all your effort. As with everyone else I miss your podcast and enjoy your thoughts.
May 4th, 2006 at 7:30 am
I’m really disappointed in the turn Locke’s character has taken. He seemed to be a clear leader last season and now all of a sudden he seems weak and a little desperate. He openly sulks after a tongue lashing from Jack instead of holding his ground and making an arguement for his way (or simply doing things his way) as was the case last year.
COME BACK GURU LOCKE!!!
May 4th, 2006 at 7:42 am
I found this on the Fuselage about the Hanso website and tried it myself.
“Ok if you go to the joop secton and talk to “joop” type in the numbers 4 8 15 16 23 42 then connect the dots and you’ll see something really interresting…”
May 4th, 2006 at 8:39 am
MrPants: Yes, I saw that, too but not every link is about the bankruptcy. I decided Why not? Can’t hurt to send an email to it. Hasn’t bounced yet, BTW. And Minnesota Metallurgy is on the client list as well and has an interesting gallery, including pictures of a polar bear and drug vials among other things. That’s Henry Gale’s company, BTW. It also has a place you can send condolences or whatever message you like.
Another bizarro site from the client list is http://www.valenzettifoundation.org/ Don’t know about this one, though. Seems sketchy. It mentions Widmore and GPC as sponsors, but also has a link to a page about Milo Rambaldi, who is a fictional character from “Alias”. Maybe a fan site, but it also could be legit. “Alias” is on ABC, too, afterall…
May 4th, 2006 at 9:33 am
Did anyone get a look at the manuscript Sawyer was reading? I’ve heard that the title of it was “The Bad Twin”?
May 4th, 2006 at 9:49 am
Does anyone know if there is any truth to the rumour I heard this morning on a Chicago radio station that JJ Abrams has planted clues to LOST in his new movie, Mission Impossible 3?
Julie from Chicago - I get “Connection Timeout” when I try sending those numbers to Joop. Actually, I get that whenever I try any of the tricks mentioned in a number of posts here.
May 4th, 2006 at 9:55 am
Libby is still alive, saved by the Hanso Foundation Kevlar Pillows(tm). However, when she regains conciousness, she will be back to her old psychotic self, and she won’t be able to blow Michael’s cover.
May 4th, 2006 at 10:09 am
I-tunes is offering the first chapter of “Bad Twin” for free. I just downloaded it. I’ll post about it as soon as I finish it.
May 4th, 2006 at 10:28 am
i smeel brain washing and cloning michaels a clone i think the others are experementing in cloning and extended life and telecomunication
May 4th, 2006 at 10:49 am
From what I read after entering the numbers in Joop’s corner, and connecting the dots, it was a secret document about Hanso doing gene experiments on primates and some sort of meningitis coming about that has crossed the homo-sapiens barrier (maybe the sickness that killed Rousseau’s people? They demanded Hanso stop and submit to inspections or risk having their Zanzibar facility shut down. Maybe the Island is in Zanzibar? Just a thought….
May 4th, 2006 at 11:18 am
Sooo don’t get all the stuff about Hanso. What’s up with the guy in the shadow’s? And why put it in the middle of a commercial break? Took a while to figure out that it actually had a conection to the show.
(btw, i think it’s genius. just some other way to get people freaking out and asking “Why?”)
May 4th, 2006 at 11:34 am
Hi guys, Frank here. I have to agree, WOW! I was also so shock at the whole episode. The most interesting thing to note is how much of an impact Jack’s father had on at least 3 or 4 of the Losties lives causing them to go on the plane. I think this will not be the last we see of Jack’s father. He appears to be the central figure in (so far) Jack’s, Sawyer’s, and Ana-Lucia’s decision for being on the plane. Yes the other castaways did run into each other directly or indirectly, but the one with the most impact was Jack’s father. There is a chance that Jack’s father could also be connected to the Island and everything involving the island. I wonder if Jack’s father could the man that “Henery” was talking about. Just a possibility because Jack’s father is not in the coffin anymore. Any thoughts?
About Mike . . . . . . . . . thats a hard one to pin-point exactly, but his motives are without a dought for him to get his son (unless his mind really was manipulated).
Also do not mind if I say this but I noticed that when ever one of the Losties falls in love or has sexual relations with another Lostie they wind up getting killed; Shannon, Ana, and Libby. Also when Charlie and Claire started to get together look at what happened there. Something is making this not happen to Jack. Maybe his father is doing something. Any thoughts? Just to bring it up.
OK guys can not wait for the next episode. I think the next one might be a Locke or Mr. Eko flashback. Or any other character or none at all, who knows. Just can wait. I would kindly like to have some feed back. I think it is fun talking to you guys.
Gotta go, BYE Guys!
May 4th, 2006 at 12:17 pm
As other people have pointed out, I don’t think Michael has been brainwashed. He’s very aware of what he’s doing, and he’s doing it for Walt (we still don’t know exactly what his orders are though). All he’s done so far has been for him and Walt, that’s all he cares about.
I’m not sure if killing Ana Lucia was part of his original plan, though. Actually, I think he was sent to kill Henry Gale but she happened to be in his way. I’d say that even if we haven’t seen it in this episode, Michael has killed Henry too. What he’ll be doing with the other losties from now on, I have no idea.
Finally, does the Henry-Locke conversation refute the theory that claims that Locke is actually a mole? If he was a mole, Henry wouldn’t have been sent to take him with the others, would he? Or was he just trying to confuse Locke?
May 4th, 2006 at 12:44 pm
i will like you guys to know that the USA Today has a half-page ad on THE BAD TWIN by Gary TROUP, it even gives a website that i have yet to check out completely, it is garytroup.net . hope it helps out, love the show
May 4th, 2006 at 12:46 pm
it is an actual website that takes you to different official website, it is insane. check it out garytroup.net.
May 4th, 2006 at 1:19 pm
If you look at the Mission Statement section of the Hanso site, did anyone notice that the old man in the far right corner (dancing with an old lady) looks like Goodwin?
May 4th, 2006 at 1:21 pm
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention - Sawyer ran into Christian in that bar, so I was kind of expecting him to drop in during that flashback. Especially when they pulled up to the bar.
May 4th, 2006 at 1:35 pm
Can anyone put up a link to the LOST experience? I’d like to get into it now so as not to fall behind during the summer.
May 4th, 2006 at 2:44 pm
does anyone have links to next weeks promo for 2.21 “?” and / or the ad that was aired…
May 4th, 2006 at 3:07 pm
@Dave: http://media.putfile.com/Lost-Preview-21
There ya go
May 4th, 2006 at 11:40 pm
Hello. I just noticed in the preview clip that Michael is wearing a sling for his arm, which seems to reflect speculation that he shot himself to make it look as if he’d been attacked.
Question…any recommendations on the best up-to-date site to take us through the summer? Ryan and Jen..will your site be active? I enjoy reading the various inputs and speculations, even more when backed up with evidence, per se. I’m sure many of us will spend the summer downtime reviewing old episodes again. This is my first post. Just wanted to say thanks to all of you take the time to track down so much great information!
May 5th, 2006 at 2:26 am
Wow. This is all getting very interesting. Thanks to everyone above who posted links to the mini-sites.
If you haven’t yet, check out http://garytroup.net/buy.php. There are actual links to purchase the actual book. There’s even a review on Amazon spilling the secret… the whole Gary Troup thing is a literary conceit/pseudonym. But it’s amazing how much of an alternate reality the Lost folks are constructing. It’s a fully integrated multimedia experience.
The Minnesota Mining site seems like an ABC-created site, as does the Hanso Foundation site (that ad featured a disclaimer saying it was paid for by ABC). The Valenzetti site seems like a fan site — it specifically says it’s not affiliated with ABC, and seems too tongue-in-cheek and poorly designed to be “official.” Still, nice work by whoever did it.
On Google — at least right now — there is no Hadron Applications site. The others on the GPC page are all real companies… except for something called “General Electric,” I think they made that up.
(NBC must love that one.)
Very similar to the fake Oceanic and Driveshaft sites. Cool stuff. I just wish they didn’t do four-week hiatuses (hiati? as opposed to Haiti?) in order to slap the sites together.
May 5th, 2006 at 4:52 am
Guys, if you want to see what all has been happening with the game keep an eye on http://thelostexperienceclues.blogspot.com/ They are compiling the clues that everyone is finding and sending in. Pretty good job so far. Also, if you’re interested in “Bad Twin”, you can buy that at a bookstore near you. I was looking at it at both Borders and Barnes & Noble, but I haven’t bought it yet. It’s been avaulable for quite a while now.
Also, the Oceanic site now has eight blinking red dots and the word “Ready” in a rectangle. It doesn’t appear to do anything …yet. Another thing, going forward I don’t think I’d dismiss a site just because it isn’t as professional as some of the others. I wouldn’t put anything past these guys at this point.
May 5th, 2006 at 4:54 am
Dave-Melbourne: The Hanso site has the commercial on it. Feel free to view ad nauseum. =o)
May 5th, 2006 at 6:16 am
Ready for another surprise?
If you thought that Michael shooting Anna was unpredictable.. what if Walt is really “Him?” Unbelievable?
Imagine that time is circular, relative, non-linear. Walt’s destiny is to become what He is on the Island, for a reason yet unknown to us. Walt’s psychic powers are amplified by the Island, what Walt “wants” he can make happen (polar bear, knife throwing, boat fire). Except that powerful magnetic fields around the Swan hatch create problems for all psychic powers.
Walt tricked Michael to going away from the Swan Hatch with a computer message. Not_Henry was sent to get Locke, Walt’s friend. By the time we see Walt again, he will look older, taller, because he continues to mature outside of TV Land. All “mysterious” changes for the show.
Why was Michael sent back? Who else could Walt trust (or influence) to do his bidding with the Losties. Is Michael brainwashed or under the control of someone else? I vote that he is under the control of Walt.
I haven’t figured out why Clair’s baby is untouched, or why the other children were removed. Ideas?
If you watch carefully.. the Lost story revolves around Walt’s character more than anyone else on the Island. By this I mean, “Walt” is the character that creates issues and motivates what happens on the island. Coincidence?
May 5th, 2006 at 7:13 am
Tawl, what about the whole good people, bad people thing. walt didnt know any of the survivors before the crash yet the children and the “good people” were on a list the first night. walt has no knowlege of the tailies unless micheal said something to him after his capture.
and it could just as easily be said that the driving force for all the “issues” is the others. or the island, or the hanso foundation and the darma initative. walt is a major part of this thats for sure. but your circular time theory doesnt fit with the good vs bad aspect, and after reading about the hanso foundation’s projects, reading the hi def images of the map and notes on the lockdown door, and reading hidden documents via thehansofoundation.org its more likely whoever is in charge can manipulate the future by predicting it using numbers (possibly involving THE numbers). there is also genetic experimentation with animals which doesnt really fit with walt being in charge, and the whole wisp of smoke thing. we need to know more about the original occupiers of the island pre crazy.
im leaning more towards a religous cult headed by someone who has abilites some how involving the science done on the island (but some how doesnt know about the swan facility) 3 more episodes this season and you know that everything we think we know now will be flipped upside down before then. we will have all sumer to theorise and work our way through the web maze (might be a good idea to start a thread for that)
ps, anyone else talk with persephone, then try to send joop a comment?
May 5th, 2006 at 7:45 am
Yes, Sir Monster. I’ve gotten through to the letters and now I’m trying to figure out the Mathematical page. At the top it talks about a country in Africa, but it’s scratched out. I’ve been looking at modern maps and also maps from 1996, since it says they’ve been working in said country for ten years and things change in Africa so much. So far I haven’t been able to find a country name with a capital name that will fit with what you can see around the scratched out part. Don’t know what good it might do, since there is only three visible hot spots and one hidden hot spot on the World Map at the moment.
May 5th, 2006 at 11:39 am
“Walt is Him” theory
I appreciate your comments, Sir Monster.. about my “Walt is really Him” theory. Yes, you’ve discovered a few flaws, and you’re correct that in about 3 weeks we might be discussing something completely different as more events unfold.
The “Walt is Him” theory only works if we believe time is circular, and if we’re looking at a scenario similar to “which came first, the chicken or the egg.” In other words, was Walt involved in the initial Island experiments, gained his powers, and now can redo time in order to create a better outcome (for the world) of what happened the first time (or times) Something like the movie Groundhog Day.
I don’t discount the Hanso Foundation and the Island experiments that created this situation for Walt in the first place. These are important. But the “incident,” I believe, is when some unforeseen event happened on the Island (Walt). And that could that have been when his psychic abilities were magnified by the super magnetic properties on the Island, in other words, an unexpected interaction between Island experiments.
Some thoughts that might support the “Walt is Him” idea..
The “good and bad” people concept seems like a childlike comprehension of the world.
Walt was always a “special” and “different” child before he got to the Island.
If Walt could make things happen before he got to the Island, imagine what he must be like now.. in captivity, or maybe the Others are being held captive by Walt.
The reference to time distortion.. Sawyer is reading “A Wrinkle In Time.” I’m sure there are other clues.
What about things that are out of time sequence in the hatch (the washer and dryer are newer than everything else).
What about Walt talking “backwards” when he was briefly seen in the forest.
How about the 1940’s music that was heard on the radio, briefly.
Do you notice that dates are never mentioned in any flashbacks? (Although we do know when world events occurred, Gulf War, Boston winning the World Series, etc). Still.. which calendar year is it for the Losties? (OK, the writers could leave this out to keep the TV series timeless.. but then, why refer to World Events?)
Certainly there are holes in my theory. Walt could just be a side-story, or Walt could be the WHOLE story. And if he is, it would be the surprise that most of us would never have seen coming.
May 5th, 2006 at 12:13 pm
At the end of SOS, Michael returns to Jack and Kate with a burning torch and passes out just at their feet. Did anyone think where did he get the torch? He didn’t leave with it. He left with a gun and did not return with the gun. If Jack and Kate weren’t where they were at the exact moment when Michael collasped would the jungle have caught fire and we never see him again? I guess its that old question: if someone drops a torch in the jungle and nobody is around does the forest burn down? Its obvious from the start that Michael was “planted” at their feet by the Zeke & Co. Afterall, his torch did look exactly like the ones “the others” lite up in when Zeke confronted the three musketeers of flight 815. They all shop at the same torch store!
May 5th, 2006 at 12:46 pm
This is similar to a point Frank made earlier, but did you guys notice that apparently the punishment for non-married sex is for the female participant to get a bullet in the stomach? I love Lost, but I’m not appreciating that commentary. Esp. considering the death of 2 other strong female characters in Alias wed night too - why eliminate the female characters in shows that are already male-dominated?
May 5th, 2006 at 3:06 pm
Jeremy: Sawyer does indeed drop in the bar and have a chat with Christian Shephard. It’s the same bar from an earlier flashback, when Sawyer speaks of meeting a man (Jack) who fits the description of Christian’s son. One would assume that it’s just a disjointed narrative.
Bianca: Let’s not get too carried away by the fact that two female characters have been shot not long after having sex. Do Abrams/Cuse/Lindelof strike you as a bunch of judgmental Puritans? Are we going to read something into the fact that the single most violent act so far was committed by an African-American? It’s just a plot detail, not a “commentary”.
May 5th, 2006 at 4:57 pm
Did Michael shoot himself at the end of the show? If not, what was he shooting at? Seems strange that he would kill himself if he was doing it all to be reunited with his Son by letting Henry go.
May 5th, 2006 at 7:54 pm
willF, beleive it or not you can shoot yourself and not die. he shot himself in the shoulder, as the preview for the next episode shows him with a sling.
May 5th, 2006 at 7:57 pm
ps, he probably let henry go and will blame the anna, and libby’s death on henry.
May 6th, 2006 at 5:05 am
Maybe Michael killed Ana Lucia because she said she couldn’t kill anymore, and he won’t tolerate anyone who won’t help him fight the Others? We don’t know if Henry got out, or maybe Michael shot him, too.
May 6th, 2006 at 12:27 pm
The http://www.oceanicairlines.com/ has changed again and now has the word “reset” followed by “?” then “8:15.” Any thoughts as to what this all might mean?
May 6th, 2006 at 12:30 pm
It also says “time is up”
May 6th, 2006 at 2:14 pm
http://persephone.thehansofoundation.org
106 98 111 32 117 98 115 32 114 115 110 102 32 102 118 32 102 118 101 71 32 49 32 108 110 90 32 116 117 98 46 83 69 71 32 103 110 32 111 118 32 116 98 73
This is what I found when I went to the site Hanso.org posted as a response to their system being down….
May 6th, 2006 at 8:55 pm
I am continuing to be impressed with your website and its material. I keep wishing that you will resume your podcast one day not too far off in the future.
May 7th, 2006 at 2:36 pm
about the hanso stuff on the website. if you go to the newletter stuff and put in that password it takes you to this whole other screen with 2 documents from the world health organization. both of them were on the first hanso website that linked off of the abc oceanicflight815.com website. both of them make me believe and have believed for awhile this island is not in the south pacific but off the coast of africa, those documents talk about tanzania. hmmm, wouldn’t that be crazy?!
i don’t think that first hanso website was as popular as this one is looking to be, plus this is all part of the game that’s going on this summer. from what i understand the game can be played by all even if you aren’t a die-hard fan and will give you a deeper understanding of some of the overall issues on the show. from what i can remember alvar hanso was mentioned once on the show, in the orientation film so it’s not surprising this is the first look at hanso for many people… i do love how they are tying a television show together with the internet and beyond (telephone numbers, etc). it’s pure genious.
May 7th, 2006 at 3:48 pm
I agree with you on the bit about sawyer not noticing the gun was missing, until
Jack asked for it. other than that it sounds like your really bitter about something.
Get a grip its just a TV show. People take this way too serious, your picking it apart as if you think you could do something better. Well lets see it!
May 7th, 2006 at 5:13 pm
Why did you kill Ana off the show? She brings alot of charactor to the show. She is my favorit on lost. My whole family watches the show. All of us agree that Anna should not have been shot off the show. Try to bring her back.
Number One fan,
Dolores
May 7th, 2006 at 6:01 pm
…. dolores, you are aware this isnt run by anyone affiliated with the writing on lost right???
ATL, they ended the episode with micheal shooting himself in the shoulder.. why would he do that other than to create a coverstory to let henry go. if he wanted to shoot henry, why shoot anna and libby and himself?
May 7th, 2006 at 6:17 pm
Sorry if this is a repeat comment, but…
Has anyone noticed each one of Hanso’s “Active Projects” corresponds to one of the multiple hatch locations on the island?
May 8th, 2006 at 6:49 am
Back to the purgatory idea,
In the final scene with Ana Lucia and Michael, she finally had a realization or turning point in her life that she couldn’t kill again. The flashbacks and opening preview had almost totally centered around her killing the man who shot her, and the aftermath of her emotions. Even the Australian flashbacks showed she was deeply troubled with recent past events that she has incurred. Her mission in the episode was to seek revenge on “not Henry Gale” for attacking her in the arsenal. She went and got the gun from Sawyer and was in perfect position to enact her justice to the man that hurt her, just like in L.A.
She couldn’t commit the murderous act again therefore finally becoming at peace with herself and “Dharma”- not the group on island, but the idea of being in harmony with nature and all living things! Once her soul has achieved this status it therefore can ascend to another place. The other losties that have died have also had life changing realizations.
It really seems like the island means different things for different people and the losties are not all totally there for all the same reason or reasons.
P.S. Love the site and the Quality of everyone’s feedback and theories. It is very interesting that different people from all over the world and from different backgrounds can interpret the same TV show in so many different ways and from so many different angles! Keep up the good work everyone!
May 8th, 2006 at 9:40 am
Gary Troup = purgatory
I personally don’t think that they are IN purgatroy, but they all are dealing with issues in their pasts that need to be resolved, before they can be at peace with themselves.
May 8th, 2006 at 11:20 am
“Hugh McIntyre” on the Hanso web site looks an awful lot like Christian Shepherd…
May 8th, 2006 at 11:28 am
And (slow day at work) putting in [-8° 6′ 15.00″, +42° 23′ 16.00″] to google maps pulls up a location off the coast of Tanzania.
May 8th, 2006 at 1:10 pm
Great site! I’ve really enjoyed flipping back through all the posts and getting clued in to all the interesting thoughts and theories.
Item: The whole thing with Michael shooting himself at the end of the episode.. it’s kinda bugging me. The obvious reason to do so would be to avert blame, to make “Henry did it” into a believeable story. But, to my thinking, that would only make sense if A) he proceded to kill “Henry” (self defense becomes the justifying factor, or B) he then let Henry go (he tried to stop him but, dangit, he shot everyone and got away).
Obviously, there are infinite possibilities within the realm of Lost, but what am I missing here?
I’m hoping it goes above and beyond that, because otherwise it really is just a rehash of what Sayid did in.. whatever episode that was that he shot the guard (guards?) and then himself (in the leg) to enable his ladyfriends escape.
In other news, I hopped on the Lost train a little late and only recently brought myself current. As such, I’m exploring all the theories, etc, that I didn’t want to hear anything about before, lest they spoil things for me. Besides this website - and you’ll see more of me here
- what else should I check out?
Thanks all! Take care.
May 8th, 2006 at 3:56 pm
Like everyone else, I’ve been wondering about Michael’s actions. Everyone I know who watches agrees that everything Michael does is about Walt (”my boy”). I don’t see how Michael shooting people does anything to help Walt in this case. It seems like if his intent was just to kill Henry, then he had an open opportunity when Ana Lucia said she couldn’t do it and gave him the gun. If he let Henry go, I still don’t see that as a reason for killing someone (Ana, as Libby was probably just at the wrong place at the wrong time) because Jack and the rest were already willing to and intended to trade Henry for Walt. I think the idea of cloning or mind control is a little bit of a lame way out, but I guess that does make the most sense. We have only seen two of Michael’s flashbacks though, and those were mostly about custody of Walt as I recall. Who knows what kind of man Michael really is?
May 8th, 2006 at 4:27 pm
My take, Macgirl, is that he wants a war with the Others. Or, at the very least, he wants everyone to think Henry did it. I guess he figures the quicker he can get Jack to rustle up an army, the quicker he can rescue his son. I think at this point, he’s pretty desperate and in his own mind, he’ll be able to rescue Walt if they go to war. I think it’s an indication of to what lengths he’s willing to go. He’s a little nuts right now and I think he feels Ana was a sacrifice that had to be made.
May 8th, 2006 at 4:50 pm
I think what we should keep in mind (for those posting above) is that there’s no reason to *not* believe that the Others could have given back Michael ONLY on the condition that he kill someone (specifically Ana Lucia, or not) or he never see Walt again. Not that far-fetched considering what we’ve seen of them. And it’s entirely fitting with the idea of the island being a psych experiment (e.g. will they press the button every 108 minutes? can we pit Jack against Locke? can we get them to kill one another?).
I think it’s an interesting theory, but my instinct is not that Michael is trying to provoke a war with the Others. If anything, it’s possible that the Other sknow the Losties have talked about putting together an army, and by disrupting their cohesiveness (e.g. have one kill another, and not by accident as has happened thus far) maybe they can keep them scared and fragmented — and more in tune with “faith” rather than the “science” of who the Others really are.
I do wonder whether we will get any definitive answers as to whether the Others and the Dharma initiative are one and the same. I assume they are… the “medical hatch” sure seems to suggest this… but wouldn’t it be trippy if the Losties and Others are both unwilling subjects in a larger Dharma experiment?
May 8th, 2006 at 5:58 pm
Maybe Bad Twin is supposed to throw us off the track… ”Gary Troup” is an anagram for ”Purgatory”. Coincidence?
In Bad Twin, in a conversation with Paul, Manny talks about Dante’s Divine Comedy. He says that ”Purgatorio” is a lot more interesting than either ”Paradiso” or ”Inferno”.
And yet the writers claim the island has nothing to do with Purgatory…
May 8th, 2006 at 6:46 pm
There have been questions on how Jack’s dad died… i’m pretty sure (just through memory) that sawyer killed jacks dad in some alley way behind a bar, which would explain why sawyer ran into the door, to show that that is the night jacks dad was killed… maybe leading to show that it was ana lucia’s fault cause she wasn’t there to protect him
And now that Libby is dead… does that mean that we won’t know the rest of her background, how she ended up in the institue and what her deal with hurley is?
AHH
respond with opnions
May 9th, 2006 at 12:15 am
With Michael’s return, I keep coming back to the oddity of his description of Camp Others: the ragged attire, barefoot, scraggly, etc. He says he only had the chance to watch them from afar (if I’m remembering correctly) and noted that a couple of Others were consistently on guard by another Hatch. First of all, we already know about the fake beards and costumes, etc. So…this description wouldn’t make sense. And…if Michael was only watching them, why was he running “away” as if he was traumatized by something? Not sure why Kate & Jack are keeping mum about the costumes in lieu of this info, but something’s still fishy here.
May 9th, 2006 at 7:02 am
I have to say, TV shows today reveal too much when they show coming attractions for the following weeks show. When Michael shot himself it left everyone to think that he killed himself. However, when you see scenes from next week you see that Michael is alive. Can’t they try to keep people in suspense for a little while? The same thing happened after last week’s episode of “House” when it was implied that Dr. Foreman was paralyzed when he couldn’t move his feet, only to see him during the coming attractions walking around like nothing happened.
May 9th, 2006 at 7:35 am
Boosh — some shows are better about this than others. 24 on Fox tends to not show anything that will give away the cliffhangers. But I agree, I thought Michael killed himself, but apparently he didn’t mortally wound himself. And it seemed pretty clear that Ana Lucia at least is dead.
Taren — I thought I recalled Sawyer killing the first man he met in Australia, not Jack’s dad. Jack’s dad he just drank with.
May 9th, 2006 at 12:33 pm
Taren: I think there was speculation that Sawyer might have offed Dr. Shepherd because he was seen in Boone’s flashback, being hauled into the police station. I think the two things are unrelated, though, because Sawyer is mumbling something about a government official, i.e. he got in a fight.
I have it on good authority we will know at least part of Libby’s deal in the finale.
May 9th, 2006 at 5:58 pm
Anyone else get the static sound at the hanso foundation site? Then the time clock says OBEY. When you click on it, it takes you to another site called sublymonal.com. The word “obey” comes up on it, then six screens come up with static on them. If you click on the word “obey” the screens stop turning. Then you click on one of the screens(only one will be clickable) 4 times. It turns green and rotates one spot. Then click on the next one 8 times. And so on threw all the numbers(click 42 times for the last one). Then the screens come together and go small, then another screen comes up with a wavy line. Below it, it says “sublymonal message unlocked” and on the screen it flashes “code:” then “Heir Apparent”. Below the word locked is a link back to the Hanso Foundation website and it takes you directly to the Executive Bios. I can’t figure out where the code goes or how you would put it. Maybe someone else can figure it out.
May 10th, 2006 at 2:12 am
LOUiE — Cool tip. Although… that’s not how one spells “subliminal,” and the spelling made me think of the old Sprite “lymon” ads.
Check this link: http://publications.mediapost.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=Articles.showArticleHomePage&art_aid=42893
A Sprite-Lost tie-in? I have tried using Heir Apparent in all the different forms on the site, nothing seems to unlock anything…
May 10th, 2006 at 8:34 am
Ok, my apologies if it’s been covered, but what’s up with this?
http://persephone.thehansofoundation.org/
For anyone who needs it, the definition of Persephone:
“The daughter of Demeter and Zeus who was abducted by Hades but rescued by her mother and thereafter spent six months of the year on earth and six months in the underworld.” and “daughter of Zeus and Demeter; made queen of the underworld by Pluto in ancient mythology.”
Any thoughts?
Looking forward to tonights episode! I hear we’ll be seeing more of Mr. Eko…
May 10th, 2006 at 8:39 am
Hey Everybody,
I have just started to investigate the lost experience myself…..I was reading a ton of what people had to say and had to scroll down to leave a message for some of you….
1) heir apparent - fits into a tiny message box on the executive profiles webpage of the hanso foundation website….
2)if things are not working for you (i.e. joops corner, alvar hanso and the date in is pic caption, etc.), it may be that you have not fully completed “all the steps” necessary yet….check out: www.thelostexperience.com to catch up all the missing stuff on the web
3) the manuscript sawyer was reading is called bad twin…bought it last night at chapters…..it refers to some of the organizations mentioned on the website…the author is Gary Troup…which if you rearrange his name, is purgatory…..just a note from what i read earlier on the site…..if you check out his website…www.garytroup.net you will find links to oceanic airlines….which if you follow it….comes to the fake airline….AND…if you scroll over where they announce they are closed…you get a secret message that appears to be from someone on the flight!!!!!!
anyway, i am at work and gotta run….great site…will definitely check back after tonites ep……can;t wait….cheers…..EC
May 10th, 2006 at 8:52 am
whoops….
typed so much forgot some other stuff…..the heir apparent comment is for dr. mittelwerck…..i found the link didn;t work for me and i just reloaded the page….not refreshed
“LYMON” was in caps in the webpage name….may mean more later on …so it wasn;t mispelt…..
persephone also relates to a mothers grief @ losing her daughter (abduction!!) and having it returned to her…ie Danielle Rouseau???? perhaps persephone from the site is danielles mother or danielle herself???
the password for the newsletter is breaking strain…and will also work in the joop message….
also, the static and the clock turning to ob:ey happens whenever the clock hits one of the famous numbers….ie 4 8 15 etc…you change your computer clock to get the other clock to change closer to one of hte numbers….
EC
May 10th, 2006 at 9:08 am
sorry everybody, don;t mean to hog the blog…the more i find the more into i get!!!!!
so checking out the oceanic flight website….if you track the flights…..you see some general flights, alert alert alert on the flight 815….but just up from that….you see GIVEUS…..and if you look across…it says THE BOY
just thought some people would find this interesting!!!
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cheers (again
EC
May 10th, 2006 at 11:09 am
Important Announcement
ALL FLIGHTS CANCELLED
We regret to announce that Oceanic Airlines has ceased all operations effective immediately.
Michael Orteig, President of Oceanic Airlines, released this statement: “After 25 years of service, we are forced to close our doors. Due to financial difficulties in the wake of the Flight 815 tragedy, we are no longer able to sustain service. We are deeply sorry that we can no longer serve our loyal customers, and apologize for any inconvenience our decision will cause.”
Passengers of Oceanic Airlines are encouraged to contact their travel agent or one of Oceanic’s airline partners to make alternate travel arrangements.
The “secret messages”:
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