Trans 2006-01-11: “The 23rd Psalm” – Episode 2-10

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Our first new episode of 2006, and it’s a great one. Mr. Eko interrogates Charlie about the Virgin Mary statue, Claire begins to lose faith in Charlie when she discovers his secret, and Jack is an interested observer when Kate gives the recovering Sawyer a much-needed haircut. Stick around for some cast sightings, filming location news, and a quick chat with Walt.  Got comments?

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  • 00:00 Introduction
  • 03:00 Recap
  • 20:53 Discussion
  • 34:55 You All Everybody (Feedback)
  • 52:32 Forward Cabin
  • 1:07:30 LostLine

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35 Responses to “Trans 2006-01-11: “The 23rd Psalm” – Episode 2-10”

  1. Adam says:

    The wife and I took great glee stepping through the scene with our friendly dark cloud monster. I was wondering if you have some links to some high resolution screencaps.

    I think the dark cloud was reading his mind, but it makes you wonder if it didn’t kill Eko… why did it knock off the pilot. Was it because the pilot had skills that would help them escape? Did the pilot’s fear do him in?

    Just some thoughts!

    Adam from Grapevine, TX

  2. Tanya says:

    Love the show! Just finished listening to this week’s podcast. What a great episode of Lost! A couple of thoughts – maybe the “smoke” in some way symbolizes one’s life flashing before them as many people report during near death experiences. Second, there were many references to brothers in this episode: Eko and his brother, Charlie and his brother and Moses and Aaron. Lastly, with regards to theories, do you think maybe there is no “master plan” for the show? Maybe the writers are just making it up as they go along. There are so many references woven into the show that it seems like it would be very difficult for an overall theory to tie them all together. What I find that all the episodes have in common is an underlying lesson about humanity – how we relate to one another, our relationships with “God” and man, fear, curiosity and our struggle to survive. Whatever the case, I’m hooked on the show and on your podcast – keep up the good work!

    Tanya

  3. Thom says:

    Aloha from Honolulu. I just have a quick comment. The thing that I noticed is the plane did not look in the same place it was since we last saw it. I am probably wrong but I thought the plane fell down from a cliff, when Boone was in it and got injured, and it fell nose first. Last nights episode looked like it was entirely in a different locale.

  4. Marc says:

    Please use bittorrent for distributing the podcats, it is impossible to download them at a decent speed anymore.

    Greetings, and great show

  5. Melissa says:

    Just found some screen shots of the monster checking out Mr Eko on a site. Thought I’d pass it along.

    http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2×10/

    I couldn’t see half this detail on my television, so I guess that’s what high definition is for.

    Enjoy
    Melissa

  6. Walter says:

    It was yet another great Lost episode – and as usual – another fabulous podcast. Thanks!

    Now something I’ve been thinking about since rewatching the Season 1 DVDs during the hiatus… There are a lot of theories about Lost – experiments, time travel, nanobots and the like. But I am yet to really hear one that incorporates the “psychic” thread that seems to run through the show.

    Maybe “psychic” isn’t the right word – maybe “telepathic” – anyway, whatever. Some people are able to “see” things – and most of the others clearly don’t. It seems to me that the ones who have this ability are more in harmony with the island (Locke and Rose, especially – and Walt). However, it’s not quite clear to me whether Eko has this ability – despite being one of the faith-types. Some expamples (off the top of my head) of what I’m talking about:

    – Walt stopping the rain (Michael says he’ll look for Vincent when the rain stops – suddenly the rain stops and Walt looks at his father with an expression like “Well…?”)

    – Walt (before he left on the raft) telling Locke not to open the hatch

    – Rose knowing Bernard is okay (and interestingly, Bernard NOT having a similar notion – he keeps asking if anyone has seen her)

    – Locke knowing that it will rain in a minute, give or take a few seconds

    – Locke having a vision of the drug plane and bloody Boone

    – Claire’s psychic and his visions

    and now….

    – Eko’s brother trying to prevent Eko from getting on the drug plane (did he too have a vision of some sort?).

    – The “monster” cloud scanning Eko’s past

    – Pure speculation: The “computer” knowing when Michael is nearby to communicate with him (and possibly knowing when someone other than Michael might be looking – to hide the communication)

    I don’t really have a theory about this myself – but it somehow seems integral to the story. Anybody hear anything interesting along these lines?

    Oh, and also – I’m really curious how a twin-prop beechcraft from West Africa got to the South Pacific… where it went down with smoking engines (which to me is not an indication that it ran out of gas!)

  7. Walter says:

    Ah – a couple more possible “telepathic” connections I just remembered – perhaps these are more far-fetched:

    I think Charlie’s surge of anger at Jack caused the cave to collapse… (yeah, that’s Season 1)

    Then there was Kate and Jack’s kiss in “What Kate Did”. I don’t think I heard it discussed much in your podcast beyond the ‘shipper angle. But that scene has always struck me as being rather strange. Why does Kate kiss him – and then flee with an expression of horror on her face. Here’s my theory on that. We know that Kate has been torn in her attraction for Jack and Sawyer. We also now know something more about the men in her past – Tom, her “father”, and Wayne. Wayne clearly correlates to Sawyer (bad boy, untrustworthy, self-involved scoundrels). Jack seems to correlate to both Tom (the doctor with a heart of gold) and her father (the military man – the leader). Sawyer – bad / Jack – good. She is drawn to Jack because she believes he possesses what he wants to have within herself – the good. But Sawyer has everything that is more familiar – the bad (the murder in her heart, if you will).

    Okay, so – when she kisses Jack – I think she “sees” something in him that makes her realize that he is not so good after all. Or, quite possibly, saw what it is specifically that he has done that makes him “not a good person.” This is the only sense I’ve been able to make of this scene – and it looks like the Jack episode next week may bear this out – that is, we’ll discover why Jack is “not a good person.” Still, if true, then Kate’s kiss would qualify as another instance of telepathy on the island.

    I still don’t have any big answers in this – but it would be an instance of a character not previously demonstrating this type of ability – suddenly having it. Just more food for thought.

    What do you think… totally crackpot?

  8. katie says:

    I (argh) missed the 1/11 episode “Psalm 23.” Is it true it is repeatig on 1/18?

  9. The HIGH PRIEST Connection

    I’ve not seen this anywhere else yet… So I thought I would share in a new thread. I’m a pastor of small groups in a non-denominational church in Northern Kentucky. Not only am I totally caught up in the show, but my wife and I, along with our next door neighbor do a weekly hour long podcast devoted to lost called “Generally Speaking.”

    Here’s my thought….

    In the 23rd Psalm episode… Mr. Eko is carving more scripture passages into his “Jesus Stick.” (I love that!) Claire and Mr. Eko have a very interesting Conversation. I’m only going to stick to the talk about Aaron’s name for this post.

    Mr Eko tells Claire that Aaron was a great man. He spoke for Moses because Moses had a hard time speaking for the people.

    Thought the Old Testament was boring? Think Again…

    Think that Moses was chosen by God because of how FAITHFUL he was? Think Again!

    In fact, God called Moses to speak for His words to the poeple and Moses gave excuse after excuse of why God should go and find somone else! It’s unbelievable how many times reaffirmed Moses yet Moses still neglected to have faith even after signs and miracles during his intial calling. Finally God got ANGRY with Moses and his lack of faith and told him to use his brother Aaron to speak for him.

    It really is interesting to read… Read Exodus Chapter 3 & Chapter 4:1-17 (It’s nowhere near as much reading as that looks like. Chapter 3 is very short and 17 verses of chapter 4 should only take about 5 minutes total to read…

    So now you know why Eko mentioned that Aaron had to speak for Moses. But there is a much larger tie in here. Recall Eko is very interested in WHY Claire show the name Aaron. Then Mr Eko is asked a large number of occasions if he is a priest. The term priest has come up so much that it made me think about this point…

    In the Old Testament book of Leviticus in Chpater 8 verse12, Aaron is anointed as HIGH PREIST as the Lord Instructed!

    What is the significance of anointing Aaron (from the Bible) as high priest?

    The high priest had special duties that no other priest had. He alone could enter the Most Holy Place in the tabernacle on the yearly Day of Atonement to atone for the sins of the nation. Therefore he was in charge of all the other priests.

    As Christians, we believe that the Old Testament High Priest was a picture of Jesus Christ who is our High Priest. The one who brings Salvation from Sins.
    Hebrews 7:26-28… (Talking About Jesus) Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself. For the law appoints as high priests men who are weak; but the oath, which came after the law, appointed the Son, who has been made perfect forever.

    So what is the tie in here? Is there a connection between Mr. Eko and Moses? Is Aaron supposed to be the “High Priest” that has the ability to atone for all the sins of the people on the island or the world?

    I’ll let you guys take it from here!

    Thanks
    Cliff
    (Generally Speaking Lost Fan Podcast)
    http://www.ravenscraft.org/podcast

  10. Nay says:

    i think that was a brilliant episode and brought up some really interesting points. Eko did say that he wasn’t afraid when he saw the smoke. Locke also saw it but he did seem to be frightened. and when it cought locke and tried to pukll him into the whole locke thought he knew that he would be safe if it had taken him. how does he know? and why did it grab locke but not eko? when i first saw the faces and people flashing up in the smoke i thought perhaps the smoke is looking for certain people. and eko did not match any of the people the smoke was looking for and therefore did not take him. but perhaps locke is one of those people?

    but going through the spisode and trying to freeze frame the viedo to see the faces i realised that it could very well be flashbacks of eko’s life that the smoke saw. i realised that all the people i saw in the smoke were black. so maybe that makes sence. but why does it look into peoples memories like that?

    its the smoke looking for good and bad people too? killing the bad but keeping the good like eko (who we can all agree is now good whereas in the past he was not?)

    keep the comments coming!

    hopefully the transmission will be up on our UK servers! i cant seem to download the episode till much later these days!

  11. John says:

    Just a knit picky thing – from a “reformed” Catholic. A “Crucifix” is a cross with the body of Jesus on it. What Eko, and later, his brother, wore was a “cross”. The crucifix is a “Catholic” thing while the “Cross” is an “Anti-Catholic” Reformation thing.

    I LOVE you podcasts from the Islands – and even waited for three hours for your latest – on phone line – to be downloaded. At work – where it take like 30 seconds for them to be downloaded – I listen while I do my thing at my desk.

    John

  12. Melissa says:

    Hey John “reformed” Catholic,

    Yup, the cross was what both Eko and his brother wore, in turn, but there was a crucifix in the episode as well. It’s in the “monster”/black smoke/whatever you want to call it, as it’s looking at Eko and we, the point of view of the camera, pan around it. It’s the last image you see flashing in the cloud.

    Thanks for the clarification!

  13. Jonathan says:

    Yet another long-time listener, first-time responder here. I just want to point out that Agatha Christie’s novel “And Then There Were None” does not take place on a train, as stated on your podcast, but rather on a fictional island off the coast of England, cut off from contact from the outside world, owned by the mysterious Mr. Owen. Agatha Christie’s, “Murder On the Orient Express,” however, does take place on a train.

    I love your podcast and can’t wait to hear from you guys next week!

  14. Adriano says:

    Another Catholic clarification. 🙂

    The version of the Psalm as it spoken in last night’s episode is closest to a Protestant one (as in from the King James bible). While attention is being placed on some fan sites regarding a slip of the tongue over the order of some of the words, I think its just that – a slip of the tongue. The thing is, though, is that we know that Eko is Catholic. Catholics use a different translation of the Pslams and therefore Eko would have learned a version closer to this:

    The LORD is my shepherd; there is nothing I lack.
    In green pastures you let me graze; to safe waters you lead me;
    you restore my strength. You guide me along the right path for the sake of your name.
    Even when I walk through a dark valley, I fear no harm for you are at my side; your rod and staff give me courage.

    Charlie, on the other hand, most likely grew up Anglican and would have learned the version that says, “Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death” and so on.

    Eko and Charlie pray together, of course. That could only have been possible if Eko and Charlie were on the same page, so to speak. While probably a writer’s goof, the end product was powerful moment.

  15. Ashley says:

    Hey Ryan & Jen!

    Love your podcast, I listen to several others, but yours out does them all. I just wanted to toss around a theory I have been conceiving about “the Dharma Initiative”. the “Others”, and the pilot. In the episode where Kate and Jack find the pilot, he is sucked up by the monster and is in a tree. Did he ever come down? And did he ever just stay up there? I am wondering because my theory is the whole thing was staged by the Dharma Initiative. The Others have a list of everyone in the Tailies camp, how would they know everyone’s name and their section in the plane, and exactly where they crashed? They had to have had a “mole” on the plane. I don’t know if there is more than one, but my speculation was that the pilot was working for Dharma, and he had some sort of radio contact with the “others”. I’d like to know what others think! Muhalo!

  16. Tanya says:

    Another comment along the lines of Biblical references. When Ecko sent Charlie into the tree, I immediately thought of the Bible story about Zaccheus (I may have spelled that wrong). Not sure if the context really paralells the show or not, but the story goes that Jesus was visiting in the town where Zaccheus lived. As Jesus was walking through the streets, crowds gathered. Because Zaccheus was a small (short) man, he wasn’t able to see Jesus over the heads of the crowd. So he climbed up in a tree so he could see. Jesus saw him in the tree and told him to come down and said he was going to go to Zaccheus’ house that day. Just another thing to ponder.

  17. Jim says:

    “Jack is an interested observer when Kate gives the recovering Sawyer a much-needed haircut. ” … THis never happened in the episode. Other than Jack giving Sawyer some drugs after the haircut was done, his only scen was with Micheal in the hatch.

  18. Tom says:

    What’s up with the front site on the rifle michael is practicing with, it looks pushed halfway out to the left if you slow the video way down,,

  19. Melissa says:

    Hi from New York where my husband and I love your podcasts.
    I don’t want to seem nitpicky but there is a detail that bothers me a bit and I wondered if anyone has some thoughts…
    During the recaps we see the scene where Jack and Rose are on the plane. An empty seat between them. Rose says something like, “Tell my husband that when he gets back from the bathroom.”

    Later we see Bernard up in a tree trapped in his seat. He is with the tailees. In episode 10 Rose even says her husband was in the back of the plane.
    I just don’t buy that he strapped himself into an empty seat while the plane was going down.
    I know this isn’t relevant to any plot but it irks me so I thought I’d see if other close watchers on this great site had noticed….

  20. Possum says:

    My daughter gave me her LOST season1 discs to view since I had not seen the show. I am hooked! I have missed ALL of season 2 and am now lost over when and who and what has happened since Walt was taken and the hatch was blown. Can someone give me a synopsis of what has occurred so I can understand who these new people are and why the hatch needs patroled and who the Dharma Initiative is mentioned in the messages is…and the others? Is there somewhere I can see these episodes? rabidpossum@aol.com When does the show air and what channel? Is there a repeat of the same show later in the week in case you miss it?

  21. Cihan says:

    In reference to the comments in the podcast about the lack of explanation or resolution for Rousseau’s scratch marks. I think we’ll find out later on in a Claire flashback when she regains her memories of that traumatic event. Rousseau probably saved her from Ethan but Claire was too out of it to realise what was going on, so later when she saw the scratch marks she could only think that Rousseau was an enemy.

    Or Rousseau really did try to kidnap her (it would explain how Ethan managed to lure two people into a jungle without a weapon…) but I dont think that makes much sense considering all we know of her and her nomadic lifestyle.

    Great podcast guys, I like the enthusiasm and its always nice hearing other fans discuss a show I like. Keep up the good work.

  22. Nikki says:

    Great podcast. Just talked to my little brother who’s an avid pilot and Googler and he noticed various discrepencies with the registration number on Mr. Eko’s plane between being in “Nigeria” and being on the island. At the crash site the tail number, the license plate as you will for non-fliers, if googled is registered to someone in Hawaii while in the Nigerian scenes it’s a different number that’s close to a Nigerian number but it doesn’t have the proper beginning code for that country. I haven’t tried it myself yet for this plane, but when you see a number painted on the side of an airplane, just type that number/letter sequence into Google and it will bring up the owner/location of last registration. Is it just a mistake? Probably. Just thought it was interesting and something only a pilot would notice. Keep up the good work and as a stay-at-home mom I am infinitely impressed by your quality and dedicated podcast in amongst the jungle of parenting. What do your kids think?

  23. Dan says:

    We get a good closeup of Eko’s stick in the last episode.One word that stands out is ‘Hateth’ which might be a reference to the passage John 15 from the bible and this line:-

    “He that hateth me hateth my Father also.”

    Incidentally (yea right!) this is the 23rd line of the passage.
    😀

  24. Mike says:

    This peaked my interest: “your rod and staff give me courage” from the 23rd Psalm according to the Catholic version. It reminds me of Mr. Eko’s “Jesus Stick”. Maybe Eko made the stick and adorned it with biblical verses to enstill himself with the courage he needs during his trials on the Island.

  25. Fink says:

    Just a thought that came to me while I was listening to your podcast today, when you commented that in this series dreams have a nasty habit of coming true, the lyrics to the song “When you wish upon a star” came to mind (I won’t post them here as copyright may be an issue), but perhaps another subtle nod to the parent company (a la the “lost boys”/”Peter Pan” theorists)…

    Anyway, thanks for doing what you do… 😉

  26. Laura says:

    I am fairly new to this podcast and have just subscribed via iTunes. Unfortunatly for the Enhanced podcast they only have the last seven episodes available. I downloaded the older ones from your site, but I would love to have the other ones in the normal subscribed podcast list too. Is there any way to get the older episodes when you subscribe?

  27. Lucifer says:

    This is… LUCIFER!!!! I am….. ple-ased with…… this podcast, Look for Me on the next Episode!!!

  28. Leigh says:

    Here are my notes…

    Claire – she’s like the Virgin Mary Statues… maternal, serene, always wearing blues. Claire and the statues hold some kind of symbol to Charlie. Claire carried a baby in her and this struck a chord with Charlie. It gave him something positive…something he could be hopeful about and take care of. What’s in the statues of the Holy Mary – the heroine – represents Charlie’s evil side and takes him to a dark place. The statues, that are supposed to be used to inspire the Catholic religion, instead represent something evil.

    Charlie being given a new statue from Eko is very symbolic. It signifies the start of a new relationship he has with Eko. Charlie said he tried to save his brother from heroine and somehow ended up a druggie instead. Eko tried to save his brother, and ended up a warlord. So a wrong can make a right?

    When Charlie buried the statue, it is like he buried his relationship with Claire. Also, the statue that Eko smashed represents the crumbling of the relationship Claire and Charlie had up until now.

    Names… something about the names of certain characters… mostly the ‘others’- meaning those not from the plane that implies a brotherhood… Ethan, Goodwin, Desmond, Calvin… and now this baby Aaron (Claire was taken by Ethan and we don’t know what happened during that time). And even the guy that was killed by Goodwin… Evan?

    End of last episode… Anna Lucia eating an apple (like she’s the sinner) while tending fire and Jin brings her fish (a Christian symbol and a sign of forgiveness)

    Why did Eko’s gold-toothed partner kick him off the plane? This guy was also shown in the smoke.

  29. Zack says:

    Just commenting on something that doesn’t seem to have been mentioned thus far regarding the black smoke monster. It’s already been established that there were black wisps of smoke during the crashes of both the tail end and the front of the plane. Lacking any other evidence, this must be the monster. And since we know that the pilot was killed, possibly he was the target? The smoke brought the plane down containing the pilot, and the pilot was the first to be killed off by the monster. It makes you wonder what the smoke saw in the pilot that was deserving of such a punishment.

    Love the transmission!

  30. Brian Jones says:

    All right folks, originally after months or years of scanning, two men in the Navy recorded the transmition of the numbers while searching low frequency transmissions. Hurley visited one of these men in the mental health institution which lead him to Australia to search for the other man whom he learned from a woman had experienced many years of bad luck. The French woman, 16 years on the island was lead there when she and her crew received the ‘numbers’ transmition. It is my belief the pilots of Flight 815 altered their course 1,000 miles as they too, picked up the transmission.

    ‘The Dharma Inititiative’ as it is called in the film discovered in the hatch is a film which is possibly 42 years old. Since ‘Dharma’ is the essantial nature of one’s own character, and/or the character of one’s environment, it is my belief that ‘Dharma’ is an experiment which has gone on for decades, probably commenced in the ’60’s, (42 yrs.). It’s purpose was and is to study human behavior by carefully selecting people to become “lost.” The research is to study behavior and all of its multi-faceted levels such as will they push the button, and then if so, how long will they continue to execute this act? The island certainly posses unique electro-magnetic characteristics. Each time the visitors, or lost ones punch in the numerical code which the film has instructed them to do, by pressing the ‘execute’ key (which computer has this key?), they are in reality, executing the code being so mysteriously transmitted from the island thereby, luring in their next batch of replacements.

  31. Ayla says:

    How could Flight 815 have picked up the transmission when Danielle changed it to her distress call remember. Also the pilot told Jack & Kate that they changed course because they lost transmission or something, there was an actual reason.

  32. Mr. Falcon says:

    You mention the comment that Jack’s dad makes – something to the effect that other people can get away with that but not Jack. To me, there’s another layer of ambiguity in that he could be talking about Jack not being able to get away with what he was doing, or he could be talking about the impertinence that Jack was showing by making the comment about his father – saying that he wasn’t going to let Jack talk to him that way.

    Just a thought.

  33. Freddie says:

    Am not a fan of Lost but just watched the Psalm 23 episode and it blew me away. It was like shakespearean tragedy. The Actor who played Eko was brilliant as he was in OZ. The themes of redemption, religion, brotherly love and death brought gritty realism, drama and to this science fiction show. Am now a fan.

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