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This edition of “The Transmission” covers “Everybody Loves Hugo,” the twelfth episode of Season 6. We share our thoughts, then we turn it over to “You All Everybody,” our brilliant listeners. After a special musical treat from a “Transmission” listener, we report on the last week of production in the “Forward Cabin.”
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Segments:
- 0:00:19 Introduction
- 0:01:02 Recap: “LOST†in Eight Minutes
- 0:07:35 Reaction & Analysis
- 0:41:54 Feedback: You All Everybody
- 1:13:09 “Flash Sideways” by Wine Country Liz
- 1:16:25 Spoilers: The Forward Cabin
- 1:25:54 Closing
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Not related to the podcast, but just wanted to share a dream I had last night.
In my dream I had figured out the answers to everything on the show. Then it got out publicly that I knew the answers and all these people were coming after me. It kind of turned into an episode of 24 at one point, with car chases and stuff.
Then I ended up joining witness protection because all these people were after me for answers.
Oh and At one point the producers tried to have me killed.
Pretty wild dream
@ Mattfromnd ~ That’s hilarious (or not) ~ shows how involved we all are!
Well I’m having my usual insomnia, so just finished listening to your enjoyable podcast ~ LOL re: Jen’s comment about Mr. Brooks (I could relate to that = him having something up his sleeve, or just being creepy)
Re: Locke and his NDE and ‘seeing the truth’ through LOVE — perhaps in his case it could be with the ISLAND; he really loved the island when he arrived in a way that no one else (or maybe Rose also) did
1. Just because a bad guy says another guy is a bad guy, doesn’t mean that he’s a good guy. Bad guy math doesn’t work like that, i.e. Smokey saying Widmore is bad.
2. The whispers explanation was great. Loved that they gave the nerdcores reading too much into stuff just like two lines. I literally lold and wanted to hi5 Darlton.
3. New characters always always die. The tail section, you thought would be regulars. All of them died. The freighter crew. All of them died. Paulo, dead. Illana was the walking dead. Miles and Frank need to watch their backs.
4. Miles ability is completely different than Hurley’s. He can read last thoughts of the dead, not have actual conversation with travelling ghosts.
5. The sack is obv Jacob’s ashes. Yes it as simple as that.
6. In Richard’s experience as intermediary of the game, Jacob doesn’t tell the “contestants” and/or the Others what to do. He wasn’t lying as much as he just didn’t know that Jacob tells people what to do.
7. Grandpa Tito is the man!
8. Pretty sure Dr Brooks would have explained to Hurley if he was the sole reason Libby was in mental hospital. I got the impression that the Hurley remembering thing was just one of several things that brought Libby to the hospital, as we see in the original reality she had issues that brought her into the hospital anyways.
9. Des has memory of the island. That’s why he’s not tracking down 280 people.
10. Nice Springsteen catch.
11. You guys are now going to have me rewatching the Hurley/Des scene to look for that extra
Great Podcast y’all. Always enjoy it
After just listening to the podcast, my wife raised an interesting question for everyone who participates in You All Everybody…….
Remember how in Lit class back Highschool and/or College, how eveyone just absolutely HATED having to discet a litterary classic and it’s characters, underlying themes, and every nuance? So what are we all doing now? 🙂
@LReene (and wife) — having been an English Lit major way back when, and a dorky studious one at that, I personally LOVED that part of every literature class I took. I enjoyed the “reading into” as much as the reading… keeping in mind all the while, that many authors probably never intended to convey a lot of things we were seeing in their books.
@KK – I guess she probably wasn’t thinking about the “English Lit Major”. She was more or less referring to the the rest of us who were only in those type of classes because they had to be lol
@Mattfromnd: I definitely had a dream about LOST the other night too. I was watching the finale (along with the cast and Darlton), and it was just about the lamest ending ever. Basically Desmond was just jumping through time for some reason, and then it went to black with absolutely no explanation. I’ve had nightmares before, but that was probably the scariest dream I’ve ever had.
I think the transmission fan of the week award should go to the woman who called in on her wedding day. (sorry about forgetting your name). Congratulations on your wedding.
Yikes Ryan… now I’m singing “in flash Si-ideways…” in a loop in my brain!
@ Jen ~ LOL!
@ Michael ~ love your succinct post above, esp. point #2 and point #1 = funny —- love the new language I am learning on this board… first “Holy freaking crap,” and now “butt hurt” and “nerdcores” = too funny
@ KK ~ I love analysis too and always did, but sure am happy to be surrounded by people (or teachers) who can lead the way and clarify the points!
Desmond’s in the well! Desmond’s in the well! Wouldn’t it have been great if Vincent was there and then rushed off into the jungle to find someone to rescue him?
Lara from Maryland! Absolutely, Carol, congratulations to the bride, calling in on her special day. We were so taken with her theories, we completely failed to remark on her clear devotion to “LOST”!
My wife dreamt she was having an affair with Sayid and that they both were being chased by Godzilla on the island.
Nice.
@Ryan – thanks for the name.
Congratulations Lara. May you both be as happy as Rose and Bernard. (don’t want to jinx your partner and you with Jacob’s speech)
@Rus – you serious or pulling our leg?
I dreamt about Jack last night. I guess we are all thinking about Lost too much.
@Michael – interesting comments, thanks for sharing. “nerdcores” is a new one, haven’t heard that one before.
Okay, now I ‘m waiting to have my dream with Sawyer!! (yum) ~~ it’s safe in a dream, right?! ~~ And… my wondeful husband does not watch LOST and definitely does not read this blog ;-D
@Greenberry- yup dreams are safe and I won’t feel guilty that Jack was in love with me in mine. :), too bad I woke up.
Just listened to the podcast… I love hearing the callers — it’s so great to hear the emotion that comes across. And not a single HFC? That was odd… 😉
@greenberry — I totally agree!
Can’t wait for Tuesday,
and happy dreams, everyone.
@greenberry — …about being surrounded, that is. Although a dream about Sawyer would be ok, too.
Thanx for all the laughs ‘You All Everybody’ ~~ and Happy Honeymoon Lara!
Listened to the Forward Cabin for the first time in a long while (fun and intriguing) ~ there ARE clues that COULD mean stuff, but probably won’t ~ and some vague theories that come to mind which no doubt will be wrong ~ for PURISTS, definitely stay away
@Greenberry and KK, Sawyer would have been my first choice but Jack isn’t too shabby. But my hubby doesn’t have anything to worry about.
Okay Greenberry way to get me intrigued about the forward cabin. But I have stayed away thus far and intend to keep staying away.
Has anybody listened to the “official lost podcast” Damon explains Faraday’s names.
Just want to point out that the recreating the plane crash thing isn’t about having the same plane or ALL the passengers. It’s a candidate thing. That is all.
@Carol – I did listen to the “Official Lost Podcast” and heard “Darlton’s” explanation for Faraday’s names. It’s kind of interesting. Have you heard it? I don’t want to spoil anything for anyone, so I won’t reveal anything here, but it’s worth listening to.
@Mt Breeze – yup I listened to it, it was very interesting. Those podcasts usually make me laugh. It is amazing how much information they don’t give out, lol. Damon always says “That is an excellent question” and then gets around really answering the question asked, but I think he did a good job with the Farday issue. Makes sense. The videocast with the props was really interesting too.
@Adam – if all the candiates have to be present to go in or out of the island, that makes sense. If only the candidates flashed to 1977, Sun must not be a candidate.
@Carol – LOL about the information Darlton DOESN’T generally give out in their podcasts. They are entertaining to listen to, and they’re always good for some laughs. I also watched the videocast about the props. I think I’ve seen them all, and I’m always impressed with how the props are made for the show. I’ve seen some pretty ingenious creations. That guy better remember to return the loom. 🙂
Yes, I’m a total “nerdcore” when it comes to “Lost.” My husband and I even watch all of the extras on the ABC website. Have you seen “Lost” Untangled? It’s a fun addition to the show.
@LReene – great observation by your wife regarding how much the majority of us hated to dissect those literary classics in college, yet we’re all here doing it enthusiastically every week. It goes with what Carol says about how she would have gotten all A’s if “Lost” had been the tool used for teaching while attending school. I envy students who have teachers who use “Lost” as a tool for their teaching.
Less than 48 hours to go……..
Am rewatching Season 5 which certainly gives insight into Season 6… Episodes “316” and “The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham” in particular
The note that Locke leaves for Jack “I wish you had believed me” seems VERY relevant ~ reinforcing to me that Locke was supposed to be used for GOOD (Jacob?) but because of Jack turning his back on Locke and his own “purpose,” this enabled Locke to be taken over by MIB (darkness)
As confusing as ever: both Widmore and Ben ~ they both seem SO flawed; cruel, violent, self-serving, petty — it is super hard to side with either of them!
Coming late but I had a lot of work… Here some thoughts before the next episode and I guess we will have plenty of time to discuss all that during the hiatus.
Pierre Chang loves to do speaches during videos… even off Island! lol
I, now, wish we see a tape video of young Miles with a voice over.
Hurley knows about the original timeline… but does he knows of the sideways? Or do you have to die (or be Desmond/not dying from the magnetism…) to remember? Or is Zoe and Jin are about to do that to everyone on Island?
If Locke gets access to the original timeline (because he relived an “accident”, as Desmond relived Charlie’s drowning or his first hand shake with Penny or as Hurley kissed Libby)… will he remember his bad past (and locking forward to an explanation with his father) OR will he grant access to mib in the sideways??? That would be awesome!
Ryan… When have you been a background extra?? Which episode? I want to see that now!
I watched the episode for a second time yesterday. I noticed a couple of things.
1. Hurley is now wearing a brown shirt instead of a red shirt. But Desmond is wearing a red shirt. What does this mean for the curse of the red shirt?
2. I think that people were right when they said that something sparked in Sayid when he saw Desmond. I think Sayid is coming back and is now working with Desmond against MIB. Which is why Desmond knows all about Locke and who he really is. Sayid told Locke he had no feelings or emotions, yet he saved Zoe, if he didn’t care enough to save Kate before why would he spare Zoe? Because he feels again. I also noticed a look between Desmond and Sayid when Desmond was tied up. Desmond wasn’t tied up very well either. Later on when Locke comes back to camp without Desmond, we see Sayid standing around and when he sees Locke he assumes a “casual stance” that looks posed. Plus you see a slight change in his expression when he hears Desmond is “taken care of”, I think Sayid is faking his lack of emotions now. He also might have been following Locke to see where he was taking Desmond. IF Sayid is coming back he could be the secret weapon against Locke. Here’s hoping, I hate to see his character the way it is now.
@Mt – I thought the same thing about the Loom, lol. He promised to bring it right back and here it is months later and it still in the prop room.
Also I was an English major in college and even then I didn’t put the time in that I do to figuring out this show. But I do feel my background in having to analyze everything helps.
I completed a BA in Applied Psychology in 2003 (returned to college at age 44!); I love studying behaviors and motives — so LOST feeds into that desire nicely (which is why Ben and Widmore confuse me, and are of particular interest!)
In the literature courses, it was so fun to break down the underlying or hidden meanings of the text; but most important of all is to know what the WRITER has in mind — Likewise in LOST: it is a D/C baby and the hidden meanings are for them to communicate to us either directly in the show (which then is still up to our perspectives and interpretations), or to us afterwards in talks and write-ups.
Can’t wait to realize the full picture!
@greenberry – good for you for going back to school.
You would have loved growing up in my house, my dad was a psychologist and a psychology professor, I spent my childhood surrounded by psychologists. I am surprised my first words weren’t “positive and negative reinforcement” lol If you google “covert conditioning” you’ll find my dad. He developed that technique.
I know as a psychology major growing up like that sounds like heaven to you, but as a kid it is tough thinking your dad can figure out the reason you do everything. I felt like he could read my mind. lol. But as an adult I loved how I could always go to him with a problem and he would always be able to help me.
Soo interesting, Carol! Some of our Losties and surrounding Others, etc. could use some behavior modification!! (Well Jacob and MIB are certainly trying to produce this, whatever their ultimate motives might be; personally I see NO GOOD with MIB, and am still wavering about Jacob)
LOL about growing up in a house like this where you are continually psychoanalyzed. My husband (#2 ~ married 2006) sometimes finds it tough for the exact same reason. He agrees it does come in handy when I can figure out his clients and business proceedings.
I agree with you Jen. I think the extra in Mr. Cluck’s and the extra on the beach in the date scene are the same person.
You mentioned there’s no coming back after blowing up. Michael sure did.
@Carol, seriously. My wife dreams of monsters and heros frequently.
Regarding the show… think about lineage. I believe Jack and Jacob are related.
Great podcast, as usual!
Jen – I am sad to hear that you are deserting the tiny club of people hoping for MiB’s eventual redemption/justification. I refuse to give up my membership card just yet. 😉 It’s not that I think he’s a nice guy by any means, I’m just of the opinion that Jacob isn’t either. Perhaps they will both get their comeuppance in the end.
@greenberry – I really like your idea about Jack bearing some of the blame for what happened to Locke. I can’t quite believe that Locke ended up as just a pawn in Jacob/MiB’s game. Maybe it is just my affection for the character, but I always believed that Locke was indeed special and destined for a great – and good – destiny in this story.
Did we ever confirm whether Kate was or wasn’t pregnant with Jack’s baby? How much time has lapsed from when Kate agreed to return to the Island with Jack and the other Losties (in present time that is)?
@ Islandsidhe ~ Locke certainly has a deep connection with the Island ~ it would be wonderful if things ended well for him
To me, he has always seemed like a ‘tragic’ character — rejected by his mother, and then father ~ desperate and grasping to belong, susceptible to trusting anyone, and therefore taken advantage of… and then we see him turn and become cynical, bossy, and bullyish
I’m glued to my set for the next month, waiting for this all to unfold!
@You All Everybody — What is the general consesus about “the red shirt,” as @Carol mentioned above? I seem to have missed out on any theory there… Do people in red shirts always die?
Along those lines, I noticed when we were introduced to the temple folk, they all had on red items — a pant here, a bandana there… sash, vest, shirt, etc… It seemed to be a very domineering color in their wardrobe.
@KK – A redshirt is a type of stock character in film or television that is a non-featured character, whose purpose to the plot, usually, is to be killed. Redshirts are especially common in the science-fiction genre, and the term is derived from the 1966 tv series “Star Trek,” where never-before-seen characters wearing red uniforms (representing ensigns from the Security or Engineering departments) almost universally met their demise soon after joining the main characters on any mission away from their starship. Their deaths would illustrate the danger posed by plot devices to the main characters, who of course were never in real danger of being eliminated from the show. The term does not refer to the actors, only to the characters.
I’m counting down the hours now until the next episode! 🙂
KK- in the original Star Trek, when the landing party went on the planet, the officer with the red shirt always died. So now it is kind of a scifi inside joke. So earlier in the season people were nervous that Hurley was in a red shirt.
Hope that helps.
Thank you, @MT Breeze (MT as in Montana? That’s where I am.) and thank you, @Carol. To think, I used to watch Star Trek all the time (re-runs in the 70’s), and I never knew this!
Again, the things we learn on this board. I’m really going to miss it.
“I’m really going to miss this board” is the new HFC. 😉
LOL @ KK – Yes, “I’m really going to miss this board” will be the new HFC!!! What will we all do? I know I will rewatch the entire series again, and I’m hoping we will have a forum to continue discussing “Lost.” Hint, hint, Ryan and Jen! 🙂 (No pressure though, Ryan and Jen. I’m so appreciative of all the time you’ve devoted to “Lost” and all the fans since you started the podcast and blog.)
Also, yes, the MT is for Montana. After I posted the user name, I thought to myself, “Crap. When you read it, it sounds like “empty breeze.” 🙂 I’m from Kalispell, but lived in Missoula more recently than Kalispell.
I hadn’t known about the “red shirt theory” either until I was reading a book about “Lost” I got for Christmas. I’m learning so much in various subject areas thanks to “Lost” and “You All Everybody.”
@Mt breeze. We must have been typing our reply at the same time. Your explanation sounds smarter though. Lol
LOL, Carol – I had been going to reply “Jinx” to you because I noticed our replies coming through at the same time!! Great minds think alike!!! 🙂
I have to say, I am REALLY bummed this show is coming to an end. When the cast and crew wrap in five days it will truly be over.
The actors will go onto other things, but most won’t see each other for several years if at all. Perhaps at a LOST get together on the Mystery Channel or something. I believe most will look back on these days as their glory days.
The odd thing is, most seem to be anxious to move on. Jack has stated he is totally burnt out on TV, Kate will probably quit acting all together. But even if they worked together on something else, nothing will capture the magic that this show has.
It will be sad to see it go.
Props to Darlton, and the cast and crew who’ve brought us six fine years of intelligent, imaginative entertainment at a time when I’d all but given up on the tube. Perhaps in decade or so, something like this will come along once again, but I won’t hold my breath.
Most of all I want to thank Ryan and Jen for putting out such a fantastic podcast. It makes following LOST twice as much. Mahalo!
Talking about Star Trek… I am rewatching Star Trek the Next Generation:
I saw people comparing what is going on with Inner Light (great episode) and how Picard lived another life… (I won’t spoil it, it is just a great episode to watch) but I think the real episode that should be compared to Lost is Tapisery (my favorite)… I won’t spoil it but the “something is wrong with this universe” really apply their I think.
So… mib is Q? Desmond is Picard?
@ Yann : I loved watching The Next Generation, but with rewatching that episode, would you not think that Jacob could be more like Picard? What with needing to prove humanity worthy…
OOOPps, meant to say ‘WITHOUT watching that episode’
Just caught “Tapestry” upon your recommendation, Yann ~ Yes, Desmond-like… flashing back and finding meaning and making choices ~ LOST is amazing in that it combines sci-fi (something I was never drawn to) with wide scale, easy-to-relate-to drama ~ so sad the ride is almost over
@Coolpeace: Star Trek SPOILER…
In Tapestry, Picard dies because of his heart implant he had while he was young and restless… All goes white and a voice welcome him in the world of the dead, it is Q. To prove his point Q let Picard see his father and then “Whispers” from all the dead due to Picard decision. Q offers him the choice to relive his life at the time he got stab through the heart in a fight leading him to have the implant, if Picard changes the past by avoiding the conflict he will be brought back to the present. Picard does that BUT in the alternate universe, having not face adversity he is barely lieutenant and his life has been “bland”… something was wrong in this universe. Finaly Q comes back and Picard say he would rather die than to live this life and he is brought back to life…
All of that really fit to the Lost experience I think…
@ Yann et al
Q is Elohim, a plurality of omniscence. This also applies to Jacob and Unlocke. They are dark and light acting in concert–“We have made man in our image….” except that now the dark Atlas is weary of bearing the world on his back.
Covert conditioning!!! It sounds as if Carol grew up in the midst of an episode of Lost. Way back when, one favored explanation for Lost was that it was all just an elaborate Social Psych experiment. You could still see it that way, but with God/Jacob as the tester trying to alter the math of the universe.
Kudos to the person who mentioned Joseph, the dreamer of visions and son of Jacob, as an analogy for Desmond being cast into the well. However, an equally viable reference might be made to a gravity well, the tunnel-like warping of the fabric of space caused by the massive density of a collapsed star. “Catch a falling star.” Desmond is uniquely special in his ability to endure intense electromagnetism. I predict the sacrifice he will make will not take his life, but will rather take him to a solitary place, much like his term in the hatch, from which there is no escape. Across the event horizon. Kate once commented to Aaron on his cartoon: “Choo-choo’s too smart to go down that tunnel. He knows once you go down there, you never come out.”