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This episode of “The Transmission” takes a look at the tenth episode of Season 5, “He’s Our You.” We recap the story in eight minutes, then spend some time discussing it in greater depth. Then, we turn it over to You All Everybody, our brilliant listeners and readers. Then, in the Forward Cabin, we cover the last week of filming for Season 5.
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Segments:
- 0:00:45 Introduction
- 0:01:20 “LOST” in 8 Minutes
- 0:08:13 Discussion
- 0:24:17 You All Everybody
- 1:05:12 The Forward Cabin
- 1:11:01 Closing
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I have a few thoughts for you guys, as usual.
I’m in agreement with everyone who’s suggesting that Ben won’t die, and that Juliet/Jack will end up saving him.
We’ve got the obvious Juliet crush that older ben has. Plus here’s an allusion. Remember when Ben needed Jack to perform surgery on him? “why don’t you just force him to do the surgery?” “he has to WANT to do it”. When i first experienced that scene i assumed that Ben just wanted Jack to do a good job, but now i’m thinking Ben had a better reason to say that, he probably remembered how Jack acted the first time – refusing to help him.
Here’s another little thought. Why’s Kate back? Here’s my bet. She’s back because Ben came to her off island, and explained that she had to get involved, because she needed to be on the island or something very bad would happen (possibly to do with Aaron, my namesake). Perhaps he straight out tells her “you need to go back and make sure i don’t die” – who knows.
I’ve spoken at length here about the fact that i’m sure death has a very big significance on the island, and that it involves smokey somehow. Maybe smokey finds Ben after he’s shot. Maybe he changes him (the way i’ve suggested in the past that he changed the French crew), then when the surgery is done he’s not quite the same Ben.
One last thing. This episode was all about Sayid killing people, from start to end. That got me thinking about our heroes, and just how many of them have been involved in deaths:
Sayid – we’ve lost count of the people he’s killed
Sawyer – shot the guy at the shrimp stand, strangled lockes dad
Kate – killed her father, plus that car accident
I’m wondering if Ben ever mentioned losing someone on the table, there was that “angel hair pasta” speech, but he gives the impression that she survived.
Regardless, it’s a lot of deaths for a group of random people to have been responsible for in their pasts. Perhaps it’s just a vehicle for the writers, or maybe it has some over arching connection to the backbone of the story. But i keep saying – death is the key to this show.
“I’m wondering if Ben ever mentioned losing someone on the table” – i meant Jack there. D’oh.
Ryan great rant about Sayid on how hes been back and forth, back and forth, back and forth…oh man.. where is our redemption?!?!?! I cant help but think, we aren’t watching the past ensue but we are watching time in its natural (first) time line.
Great covering of the Locke/Ben getting shot and healing reference (a caller made) I like that!
Poor Sayid, hes just like me, a sucker for women…(fortunately for me, I haven’t been shot by one…yet)
THE RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!
Aye, I don’t know what to think anymore…
Darn Sayid I cant believe you did it! You killed a 12 year old!! Naveen Andrews what a testament to your talents!!
Character based episodes are why we watch LOST… at least I think! Man the Producers trick us every time!
How LOST do you have to be to kill Ben and accept the consequences..yikes!
…I think Claire may be dead… OH man!
Never seen a kid shot on TV either, dang…
Desmond and Locke will get theirs in season 6 lol don’t be greedy! 😛
I thought The Little Prince was weaker than this episode. This past episode, Le Fleur, and THis Place is Death are the best episodes of this season!
xxxstraightedgexxx
Sayid kills people to protect those he loves. He killed the chicken to protect his brother (and because his brother can’t). He killed all those people with Ben to protect his friends. He kills young Ben to protect his friends (and because they can’t (same same with his brother yeah?)).
Sayid is a professional. Obviously he wanted Ben dead, why didn’t he make sure with a second shot? I really would have loved seeing a second, and a third, shot.
I would very much love to see Ben dead. And all the theories that try to justify that Ben is not dead based on one mythology of the island or another just don’t convince me about anything. I’d put as much faith in any of those theories as I’d put in a snowball thrown into hell.
However, when contemplating Ben’s death, much as I hate to say it, Ben will be with us some more. But for an entirely different reason. I don’t beleive that Michael Emerson will only appear in flashbacks or flashforwards from now on. The producers of Lost originally planed to use his character in a small number of episodes but soon decided that his performance was too good to pass up and therefore expanded his role to what it is now. I would be surprised to see them let it go with almost a season and a half remaining.
As for our Losties in the past, I think that Sun will travel back to meet them before they make it back to the present, if they are ever going to return to the present. I base that on Christian’s statement that Sun has a long journey before she meets Jin, not that Jin has a long journey before Sun can meet him.
Michael281, exactly how could Desmond taken a boat and travelled the exact same course at the same time as Ajira 316? How fast do you think a boat is?
So much has been said about the mystery woman in the darkness behind Sun in the old Dharma building when Christian was telling her that she has a long journey ahead. Most think it’s Claire (or some other cast member), some believe it’s it’s a man, and others believe it one of the production crew. I have to believe that, if anything, it’s a production error since it is not in the “safe action area”. This is the area of the picture seen by most television viewers. If this person was intended by the producers to be in the picture, the image would not have been outside the safe action area.
Last week you said ‘Sayid got sucked off’ (the plane), this week you said he ‘choked the chicken’. I eagerly anticipate the commentary on next weeks episode!?
Hi, everyone,
I am completely convienced that 12 year old Ben is not dead. We need to consider the careful words of Daniel Faraday about time travel: “what heppened, happened” and the past cannot be changed. And I also agree with bit.bucket in that Sayid should have fired more shots a him to make sure he was dead.
So, how will he survive? It is possible that Jack and/or Juliet save his life; but it will be more interesting if he is saved by Richard Alpert and The Others. Or maybe he really is dead, and the Ben Linus we have come to love to hate is somehtin else other than human, save by the Smoke monster.
In any case, Lost just keeps getting better and better with every episode, with every seson. It is in my opinion the best written TV series ever.
And the job Jen and Ryan do with the podcast is awesome!
I concur Fernando, I believe Ben will be saved by Juliette, as many others have postulated as well. (wait… was saved, sorry). I think the rest of the season will play out such that we see the events taking place that we know have happened, from the history the writers have built up. I think the whatever happened happened comment will be proven correct, but the fun in it now is the revelation of how our losties fit into the events that shaped the past. Wait, past events that will shape the past…or is it ‘are shaping the past’? Ow my brain!
Interesting point also that we have similar flashbacks to the ones in the first few seasons (Eko/Sayid) and similar events taking place (plane crash, similar conditions, people on the plane) But maybe some role reversals? This is making me feel more strongly about my theory that the universe is trying to recreate a series of events that happened (or will happen.. the ‘incident?’) that dislodged the island from normal time/space, and set things straight. That the losties and some other characters are reincarnations (possibly) that need to be there to do this. As for the numbers, I think at some point, likely at the end of the series, someone will return to the present, hear the numbers being broadcast (someone said it was Hurleys voice?), and the numbers will have changed, indicating that things have been set straight, the anomaly corrected, and the world will not end. I predict Hurley will hear in his own voice a different set of numbers and heave a sigh of relief.. then the final THUD.
Hi, just got done listening to the Podcast and I got a kick out of what Jackie from the Jerseys Shores’ had to say. She said that Sayid instead of trying to nurture a young Ben by offering some guidance killed him Dead (or so we’re lead to believe). And did so without conscience which makes him basically a cold blooded killer. And also puts him in the good company of Ben, Sawyer, Locke, and even Kate and Hurley.
I agree when she says that Jack takes a heck of a beating on this podcast and also believe that once Sawyer is faced with serious dilemmas like Jack has…. as a leader….Sawyer won’t do any better at handling them.
I truly think Kate came back to remain with Jack. She told him earlier in the season “She has always been with him” and to let Sawyer know what she knows about his daughter Clementine. I also think that going back with Jack meant she had to relinquish custody of Aaron if for no other reason then to try and abide by what she thinks Claire wants for her biological son, which is not to return to the island. Thanks so much for fun and keep up the great work!
Ahhh you guys were talking about Claire in the cabin with Christian I can’t believe you guys didn’t see this clip. She is there!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQHYXon-RaI&eurl
Watch to the right of Sun’s face
Great show guys
I was thinking back to when the Flashies had their last timejump (to 1974) and Faraday told them it didn’t matter if they got involved with saving Amy. He said that it didn’t matter because whatever happened has already happened. This makes me think that he already knew they jumped into the past not the future, so he may have lived through this moment before. When I watched that scene again he looks disinterested in the possibility of a potential armed conflict.
Also, Sawyer tells Jack, Kate, and Hurley that Faraday is gone when they arrive in 1977. I wonder if Faraday took advantage of the sub to get back to civilization to report to himself on what happened so he would have it for future research and info. His notebook might already contain the events that happened to him and that are unfolding on the island.
Just some more random thoughts.
Loved the podcast. I agree Ben must survive in some way. Maybe Richard gave him a cool little compass he keeps in his shirt pocket that can deflect bullets! 😉
Dave582: Edited your comment to remove the spoiler about the finale. Yes, we know what it means, but we wouldn’t include that in the discussion portion of our podcast.
As for the video of the woman behind Sun, we commented it here on the blog, just not on the podcast. Jen and I believe her appearance to be a production error, not a clue. We’ll see what becomes of it!
Ryan/Dave582,
Thanks for editing out the spoiler – I am trying to remain spoiler free as much as possible, particularly when it comes to season finales. Happy to take part in as much hardcore speculation as possible in the gaps though 😉
Anyone mooted that Sayid might have still been under the influence of the mind altering drug when he shot Ben, thereby missing (or not critically wounding) him?
First off, I agree that we need more Claire. I’m not really interested in her character, but we need more information explaining how she ends up in the cabin.
Desmond in Season 6? I can’t wait that long and it seems to me to be poor storytelling if that’s the case. Right now, his use this season remains pointless and the longer they wait, the worse that gets. I suppose if he suddenly shows up in this season’s finale, that’ll be okay, but I’m still likely to feel that his use earlier this season was mostly wasted air time.
“Exactly how could Desmond taken a boat and travelled the exact same course at the same time as Ajira 316? How fast do you think a boat is?†Haha! Yeah, it’s grasping at straws, but if Desmond knows which flight they’ll be catching and he has a head start, he might be able to get to the right place at the right time. I’m certainly not married to this idea though. Just thinking aloud as to how Desmond might get back into the game.
Ben saved by Juliette? It feels a bit odd. She’s a doctor, but she specializes in childbirth and reproduction. Doing incredibly dangerous surgery to remove a bullet from a vital organ seems a bit off. If the island saves Ben and she nurses him back to health, that would seem to be a bit better.
All of this talk about Ben having these experiences and knowing who’ll be going back in time and working towards that goal leaves out a very important element. How DOES Ben know what to do? Growing up knowing a certain man shot you in your youth and then meeting him when you grow up doesn’t tell you how to get that guy to go back in time and shoot you. Maybe Old Ben goes back in time and tells Young Ben? That’s not good enough. “And then I let myself be captured and taken to the Swan Station and Locke said this and then I said that and…†No. So maybe it just works out right because it has to for time’s sake. After all, we have Charlie’s death as a good example. There’s an event that has to happen. If it doesn’t happen one way, fate will bring it about in some other way. If this is the case, how does someone like Ben get through his daily life knowing that he can’t really alter his path through life? Using the river as time analogy, Ben would know he can throw rocks in to alter time, but then time will just flow around and continue on as it has before. Could this hint at Ben’s ultimate purpose? He wants to get the island out of its deterministic rut and have events and actions there actually matter again? Or perhaps that’s Widmore’s goal, or Jacob’s, and Ben somehow LIKES being in that rut?
It’s interesting to look at Ben’s actions in earlier seasons in light of the fact that he knew all these folks back then. He’ll probably develop a crush on Juliet, which causes him to bring her to the island in the future. And was all that cage action between Sawyer and Kate orchestrated by Ben in an attempt to weaken or destroy a relationship between Juliet and Sawyer (which already happened and also has yet to happen), by strengthening the bond between Sawyer and Kate? A sort of romantic manipulation, not that it seems to have worked…
And on an unrelated note, I loved Twin Peaks! I’ll be visiting the area they filmed in again this summer so that my wife can see “the Holy Land”. 🙂 I know we don’t want to wander off topic discussing other shows, but if anyone has suggestions about other TV shows, movies, books, etc that a fan of Lost might like, I’d like to hear about them. I’ll start be suggesting Strangehaven, a comic book series.
At first I thought young Ben was shot dead. Then I remembered it wasn’t raining in the scene. I’m guessing he lives.
R & J: Lots of little theoretical gems over here. Since you have an eidt function, would it be possible to redirect some of these posts to the other forum? Or possibly to have only one forum per week and allow the technical comments and observations to be interspersed among the theories? I for one wouldn’t mind. I feel as if the current setup divides some of the potential conversation. Just a thought.
why is swayer screwing with jack they could have made jack anything,so swayer make him a work man. they never took the tests, that the dr talks about. swayer and juliet came up with those jobs. and why was juliet hold back giving kates name to the drhama poeple, til the last min. to make kate sweat and show her who boss, or did she not want kate back because she’ll steal swayer back.
ben willl come back to life by the hands of the island, just like locke in earlier years.
Random question….anyone have any screen shots from when Ben had surgery from Jack? Was there a scar from the gun shot back then?
You mentioned that you thought that the characters were “out of character”. I agree with the Hurley scene somewhat. It was weird to say the least.
Kate, though tomboyish, doesn’t mean she will know hardcore auto mechanics. I mean, you can know stuff about cars, and then KNOW stuff about them, and its obvious Juliet really knew and Kate was just like “What?” I know I would be scratching my head. I don’t think this is odd for Kate, especially since no scene really indicates that she is a grease monkey.
Sayid doesn’t fight the torturers because he has his eye on the ball. Namely, Ben. If he fights, whats next? Sayid knows he has to lie low, even if that means going through torture, to kill Ben, and not be killed himself.
Great podcast as always. Ryan, I am certain you’ll like this epi better on reviewing.
love the spoiler news, too.
I personally hope the late 70’s hang around a bit longer. It’s a cool glimpse back for me to my mid teens.
And speaking of missing persons:
How about what happened to all the kids? (remember flight 815 had some abducted way back when? Will we ever get an explanation?
Sorry about the spoiler – I figured that wasn’t that big of a deal compared to some of the production news you guys break, but I forget to easily how people don’t even want to know the episode titles.
And I’m glad to hear that you saw the video, I’ve recently starting reading your thoughts, as well as listening so I don’t think I saw that blog post. I don’t quite get what you mean by production error though?
Dave582: No problem. Yes, we’re a pretty prolific source of spoilers, but a huge chunk of our listeners avoid them like the plague. Episode titles and synopses of upcoming episodes can get tricky, though… especially for this week’s episode!
As for “production error,” I mean I believe that woman wasn’t supposed to have been captured in the frame at all. I think she’s a crew member at a monitor (wearing a “Bad Robot” T-shirt, in fact) who accidentally got picked up by the handheld camera. She’s not visible at all without 16:9 widescreen, and even if you know to look for her it takes some work. I don’t think “LOST” hides clues that deeply.
Jen & Ryan,
As always, I love the podcast! I’ve been traveling throughout the state for work and your podcasts help with the long drives. I can’t thank you enough.
One comment on this podcast: You guys didn’t really discuss Sayid’s “torture” scene. I’d love to know what you guys thought of him under the influence mentioning Sawyer, the stations, the purge, etc. I guess you did mention it in the recap, but would like to have heard your thoughts in the “discussion” section.
Thanks again for the great podcast!
All the best,
Mike
mike.in.VA
I just had a thought while dozing on the train this morning and I don’t think I’ve seen it mentioned so here goes.
When LaFluer subdues Sayid before they take him off to see Oldham doesn’t he use a taser? It’s only just occurred to me that that is all wrong. Taser had not been invented in ’77 (actually not until ’88) and even a secret army prototype awould have been much larger than the little hand held job that Sawyer used. They would have required a large battery pack (think cellphones of the same period).
So, where did Dharma get its tasers?
I didn’t think about it at the time because we have seen the others using them so it didn’t seem out of place but that was 30 years later when such devices would be easily available.
Production error or clue?
I just want to say again to Ryan and Jen how much I love your podcast. When I hear the opening strains on my mp3 player, it never fails to bring a smile to my face.
This time for some reason, I also felt a pang. There are only about 2 dozen more, and that will be IT! Waaahh!
happy anniversary! i wish you another 16, 23, 42, 108… years of couplehood