Greatest Hits
By popular demand, Jen takes the reigns again! Charlie, up until now, has not been one of my favorite characters. There just isn’t much to him. He’s a junkie, who came thiiiiis close to being successful but never quite made it. It took four Charlie-centric episodes in which nothing happened to bring us to the point where we can appreciate him again. Charlie is likeable, if not a little messed up, and Dominic Monaghan was remarkable in this episode. The look on his face when Naomi told him about his memorial service was priceless.
But the rumors loomed large. I think we were all expecting Charlie to buy the farm tonight. So by the end of the episode, I was alternately weepy and buzzing on some kind of pumped-up sugar high. It’s a weird way to watch this show. And when his lone checkered sneaker floated away? I was a mess.
This hiatus is going to be hell.
You know who else I love? Sayid. He’s the only one on the island, it seems, who is willing to go toe-to-toe with Jack. “You said earlier you were a a leader, Jack. Why don’t you act like one.” [Ryan: Then again, remember what happened the last time Sayid “took charge” of an ambush — stolen yacht, anyone?] I know he’s a resourceful dude, but I’m wondering where he got that map of the Looking Glass.
I’ve got “Brandy (You’re a Fine Girl)” stuck in my head. Help!
Still, Jack displayed some cojones tonight. I am so glad he went to Rousseau. I had major doubts about Rousseau this season, but my faith in her is restored. Even if she is only motivated by the chance to reunite with her daughter, she can be trusted. I think. This show continually surprises me with the way I feel about the characters and Rousseau is the best example of that. She comes out of nowhere, stirs up the survivors, disappears, reappears fast as a flash, possibly after being up to no good, and turns around and does something unexpected. She’s my new favorite character. For this week. She’s fearless and quiet and just a general badass. Personally, I wouldn’t have wasted the dynamite on the tree, but whatever works.
I don’t know who Alex has been talking to, but she’s onto Ben. I will not be surprised at all if she gets him killed. If she has learned about her mom, who is her source? There’s a whole lot of time unaccounted for, and I think it’s gonna make a heck of a flashback.
The leadership crisis back at the Others’ camp is intensifying. Alpert is clearly suspicious and Ben refuses to answer any questions. We have not yet begun to see Ben’s bad side, I bet. [Ryan: Even after he gassed his dad and shot the Second Coming?]
And I think we’ve discovered the Other Others. Fans have long speculated about a second group of folks hanging out on the island. Are the two ladies in the Looking Glass affiliated with that group? If not, who are they?
Notes and Notions:
- What is with Jack’s hair? There are a lot of bad wigs and confusing hair on this show, but Jack takes the cake. He’s had a close buzz cut for three months and it’s just now starting to grow out.
- I always tell Ryan that Rousseau and Alex could be mother and daughter in real life. They look eerily alike.
- Yay for Rose and Bernard! I missed them.
- Maybe I’m insane, but to me, the second woman in the Looking Glass looked like Cassidy. I can’t even begin to imagine how Cassidy fits into the Other Others, though.
- Links: “Greatest Hits” discussion at TheFuselage.com, Lost-Forum.com, and Pop Candy
May 16th, 2007 at 2:04 pm
I’m excited about these final two episodes in what has become one of the most electrifying serialized stories in recent memory. I watch Lost on the web exclusively. When watched as one on-going story, Lost holds up with stories like the Sandman by Niel Gaiman and other television series like Twin Peaks and the Sopranos.
Though there have been some complaints about Season 3, I think that upon retrospect it will emerge as one of the most challenging chapters in the series. Can’t wait.
May 16th, 2007 at 5:05 pm
I was getting pretty emotional there but that was a pretty cool ending. We might have caught our first glimpse of the other Others.
May 16th, 2007 at 5:15 pm
Was that Cindy in the looking glass? The brunnette in the background with the gun looked like her. I don’t have HD, so it was hard to tell. Anyone know?
May 16th, 2007 at 5:16 pm
Could have they made it more obvious that Charlie wasn’t going to die? Not complaining, but all things considered, nothing is as it seems. Good setup for the end..but I’m still not convinced that I trust Jack and his new girlfriend yet.
May 16th, 2007 at 6:07 pm
Oh, for the love of all things Holy. I could not handle tonight! I was bawling for the last half hour. So good! And a WONDERFUL way to bring in the finale. I’m so pumped.
As much as i do not like Charlie’s character, I think the flashback of when he met Claire did it for me. Because his character was so great in the beginning. But Liam, Rose, Bernard, Karl…everyone seems to be back. Charlie’s goodbyes to Claire, Aaron, and Hurley…yeah, I was in complete hysterics.
Ps. MikefromMaine- I thought that was Cindy too. But that character is credited as Greta. She is played by Lana Parrilla.
May 16th, 2007 at 6:50 pm
It definetely was not as good as the very previous episode, but it was still ok. And I found the flashbacks very touching, given that Charlie is writing a list of his “greatest hits”, the memories of his best moments in life.
What if Desmond is right. On the outrigger, he tells Charlie that perhaps he sees him die in his flashes because he is supposed to take his place. What if he really is meant to flip the switch? I can’t wait to find out next week. Also, I was in awe seeing the “Looking Glass” Station; it looked really awesome. A great way to answer (?) the question of the cable. And I caught myself holding my breath while Charlie dove to the moon-pool (even when I watched the episode a second time). Oh, and I loved that semi-question Alex asked: “Is he my father?” Does she really know that Ben is not her biological father? Why does she still call him ‘dad’?
Besides, it was great to see Bernard and Rose once again. We really missed them for the past four months!!!
I have a question: where was Aaron while Jack took the main Losties on a trek to demonstrate what his plan is all about? Claire did not have him, and the usual babysitters where there with her. By the way, does anyone know how many babies have played Aaron in the series? that would be an intersting piece of trivia to find out.
As for the preview for next week: I got rather upset to see Bernard, Sayid and Jin tied up and held at gunpoint by the Others. We’ve been there before. Are our Losties that stupid as to fall for the Other’s trickery one more time; that is getting really old and tiresome. But we’ll see how it plays out. And what about Ben intercepting the Losties going to the Radio Tower; it definetely looks like Ben is always a step ahead of the Losties, and he knows what they will do, where they will be. Hummm???
Still no answers to the bif finale from season 2. I am starting to think we will not learn anything else about that until 2010.
Namaste.
May 16th, 2007 at 6:55 pm
>> “Still no answers to the bif finale [SORRY, I meant BIG] from season 2.
Where is Locke? is he really dead? will we learn the answer to that question next week or next year? I’m dying to know.
May 16th, 2007 at 7:12 pm
Another return was Nadia who Charlie saved from being mugged.
May 16th, 2007 at 8:12 pm
Could the Looking Glass station be the “shortcut” to the mainland that gets the Others back and forth in seemingly record time? They take the submarine to the the station and use another means of transport from there to the mainland. Would explain why people have to be sedated for travel or in on the secret.
I am practically BURSTING to see next week’s finale!
May 16th, 2007 at 9:38 pm
I thought Charlie couldn’t swim. In one of the first episodes of the series, that woman, Joanna, is drowning and Charlie gets Jack to go and save her and he says he can’t swim…now he’s swimming like a fish…what the heck?
May 16th, 2007 at 10:05 pm
And one more thing…Naomi tells Charlie that there was a big deal made about his supposed demise and that the band got back together and put out a greatest hits album…all in less than three months???? Hmmmm…
Guess you guys are all in bed by now…we are four hours behind the east coast here in Alaska and I think two hours ahead of Ryan and Jen in Hawaii.
May 16th, 2007 at 11:12 pm
Charlie was still a junky when he told Jack he couldn’t swim. He could have been high or something.
Another great episode. Still, I do not thing Charlie is out in the clear.
May 17th, 2007 at 12:28 am
loved the flashbacks in this one…
I think Sayid may have gotten the maps from the Flame in “Enter 77″. They showed him pulling out binders in the basement but didn’t show him taking them. But that makes the most sense to me.
can’t wait for the finale!
May 17th, 2007 at 1:20 am
Wasn’t that Sayid’s Nadia that Charlie saved from the mugger?
May 17th, 2007 at 1:28 am
Jen,
Sayid took a manual of schematics from the transmission station before Locke blew it up.
Desmond’s vision is still playing out. Charlie has to flip the yellow switch and then drown swimming out. I guess we’ll see that next week.
I’m curious as to how Ben knows to intercept Jack and the rest on the beach.
Next week should be great. They keep telling us it will change the Lost world forever.
May 17th, 2007 at 1:41 am
{Alice in Woderland Through the Looking-Glass book plot ) Alice ponders what the world is like on the other side of a mirror, and to her surprise, is able to pass through to experience the alternate world. Notice the White Rabbit symbol in the blueprint for the looking glass station. There was a few white rabbits shown in this episode.The White Rabbit alludes to Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland in which Alice famously enters the wonderous other world after following the White Rabbit down a rabbit hole. It seems the last leg of the trip to the island is on a submarine, posible there’s a “Stargate” portal in that loacation.
May 17th, 2007 at 1:48 am
To those who called it, I do think that was Nadia that Charlie saved. He appeared to be in the same outfit and location as from “Flashes Before Your Eyes.” How anyone could tell whether the second woman at the Looking Glass was Cindy or Cassidy is WAY beyond me.
I very much like the little twist about how maybe Des needs to die to save Charlie. However, I find Des to be a more more likable and interesting character, so if only one of ‘em goes… so long, Charlie, see you on the flip side, brotha.
I was a little underwhelmed by the episode. Not a bad one at all but compared to the other recent ones, disappointing. That being said, 1) it was still pretty good (despite COMPLETELY ripping off the “top 5 moments of your life” idea from High Fidelity (the book, not the movie, though the movie was brilliant as well)), 2) it was a lot better than in season two, where I felt like every other episode was a bit of a dud, and 3) we did learn a fair amount.
What is this about “Other Others?” Another few Others whom we have not previously met (a la Mikhail) or a separate group? The implication was that they were clearly working with the Others we know and love or hate.
I think Alex calls Ben “dad” for the same reasons that Juliet and Richard and the Others defer to Ben (and explained in a post of mine for the last episode)… the dude is a SOCIOPATH and they are afraid of him. Ritual massacre and cold-blooded killing, anyone?
By the way [and stop reading if you’re not into the Lost Experience thing] THANK YOU to whomever posted the link to the Sri Lanka video. VERY cool, though I don’t have the time to sift through 70 six-second video clips to piece together a 7 minute video (wait… there are those sevens again!
). (And yes, I do appreciate the irony of “not having time for that” while I write posts of thousands of words.) Does anyone have any theories as to who the “two tribes” are that Hanso refers to? The Black Rock survivors? The Others? Dharma? Or someone completely different?
May 17th, 2007 at 2:37 am
“# Connie in Alaska Says:
May 16th, 2007 at 9:38 pm
I thought Charlie couldn’t swim. In one of the first episodes of the series, that woman, Joanna, is drowning and Charlie gets Jack to go and save her and he says he can’t swim…now he’s swimming like a fish…what the heck?”
You are right! And in another episode (maybe the same one?), someone says to Charlie something along the lines of “you were born on an island and you can’t swim?” And he says he never found the time.
So is this a continuity mistake, or did Charlie somehow change time, by jumping in the pool with his dad? Or was he just a coward?
May 17th, 2007 at 2:50 am
Maybe Charlie can’t swim. Holding a weighted belt to dive and then floating to the surface gasping for breath hardly counts as swimming.
Charlie more or less divulged that he was lying about being a swimming champion. He is trying to be a hero (#2 on his list?) to help save Claire (#1 on his list).
Either that or it’s a continuity error… you have numerous writers on the show and they may have forgotten Charlie’s words in season 1.
May 17th, 2007 at 2:55 am
I’m betting Juliet knew the looking glass was not flooded as she said it was. And where was the underwater hatch she and Ben were holding Jack as prisoner at the beginning of the season? Could that have been the looking glass?
May 17th, 2007 at 3:13 am
Alright, I know this is probably a stupid question. But, yeah Charlie went to the underwater hatch…finally. Did we ever find out why, when Jack was being held by the others, he opened that door and there was a flood? Was that originally supposed to be the underwater hatch? Also, the whole “You have to die, brother.” is getting old quick.
May 17th, 2007 at 3:19 am
I don’t know, for me, this episode was kind of flat. After last week’s ending with Jacob and Locke being shot,….the momemtum came to a screeching halt for me with this episode.
Maybe it’s because I really like Charlie and I don’t want him to die!
Kudos to Alex this week. I like that girl!!! I think she will be a key player in the next season.
May 17th, 2007 at 3:31 am
One of those woman @ the Looking Glass seemed pretty young. Young like, maybe 16 or 17, fair skinned and fair haired like Ben. Another young girl the same age as Alex. Hmmm.
Wasn’t there an episode with Danielle lighting some kind of fire on the beach, right by “the wire”, for her baby? Does Danielle think her baby is “out there” when in fact her baby might be right under her nose? (Speaking to the uncanny resemblance between her and Alex.)
Thinking about it - is it possible these people @ looking glass are original Dharma people? People who didn’t get gassed because nobody could get to the station or because things could be easily sealed off to prevent gassing throughout the complex.
And did anybody else notice if it was only woman that appeared at Looking Glass?
May 17th, 2007 at 3:40 am
There were two people in the Looking Glass. Both women.
Maybe the first one (younger, blonde) was Annie? She looks too young though… much younger than Ben.
May 17th, 2007 at 4:42 am
Did I miss something, or was Sawyer nowhere to be seen in the group that went off with Jack? Why wasn’t he considered to be, or why didn’t he insist on being, one of the gunmen? Could he have snuck off to look for Locke (apologies if I completely missed something)?
Agreed that the Looking Glass itself is an amazing feat of … however they did that! What a cool and amazing structure! And great double play on the Alice in Wonderland theme, and its actual function.
I’m enraptured by all the episodes lately, no matter which turn they take! The writers seem to like to alternate between “soft” (more emotional) episodes and harder, more action-packed ones… no complaints here!
May 17th, 2007 at 4:44 am
How can the Black Rock (a pirate ship which looks like a vintage 1700’s edition) have dynamite? … dynamite (in stick form) was not invented until the 1860’s by Alfred Nobel.
http://inventors.about.com/od/dstartinventions/a/Alfred_Nobel.htm
btw: there’s a strange similarity between the life of Alfred Nobel and Alvaro Hanso. Both men, one real, the other fictional, made their fortunes from making/selling implements of destruction who later went on to use their fortunes for the benefit of mankind.
May 17th, 2007 at 5:22 am
If you take a look at the preview of next week is slow mo, you can make out Patchy betweens clips of Desmond in that underground hatch. That would seem to mean that the Others are connected with the two “ladies of the looking glass”
It also shows the three “shooters” (Syaid, Jin and Benard) on their knees with their hands tied and the new bad ass other (Ryan?) in the foreground. The shooters seem to do some damage, but get caught.
And Charlie gets a great slap in the face from the blonde lady. That’s really cool in slow mo. Emmy for Charlie!
Seems like the Others are going to win this little battle - or at least they (the producers) want us to think that.
btw, where is jack taking everyone?
May 17th, 2007 at 6:23 am
Jack is supposed to be taking the group to Danielle’s radio tower in hopes that Charlie will disable the jamming device and allow Naomi to get a clear signal to her ship to get them all rescued.
As for Charlie, I believe either there is a continuity problem, or Charlie had his “stash” of heroine on his person at the time. He didn’t want to ruin it in the ocean’s water, but also couldn’t discreetly store it at the time. I prefer to believe the latter since I’ve been stunned so far by the brilliant writing on this show.
May 17th, 2007 at 6:25 am
Naomi is from Manchester and speaks (and apparently reads) Portuguese. I’m going to need an explanation for that.
May 17th, 2007 at 6:33 am
Do we know where the radio tower is or have we’ve seen it yet? I kind of got confused when Juliette, Jack and Syaid were talking about the two locations. I assume the radio tower isn’t another hatch, right?
May 17th, 2007 at 6:45 am
It would be a nice twist if the Lostaways won this time. I mean, the Others won last year when they took J/K/S, they won two years ago when they took Walt. I want the good guys to finally win one.
May 17th, 2007 at 6:54 am
OH MY GOODNESS!!! I am with the folks that see last night’s episode as being a bridge between last weeks episode and the season finale.
First of all, Sayid got the schematic of The Looking Glass when they were at Mikhail’s cabin. I think I soft of agreed with Jack about focusing on the impending ambush from the others first and then dealing with The Looking Glass and trying to get rescued.
Charlie’s acting in this episode was the best performance he’d had since early in season 1. I’ve been a little indifferent to all the rumors of his pending demise until tonight. I was pretty emotional about the way I thought his storyline was wrapping up. His goodbye hug to Hurley really got me. I love Hurley and I think Charlie really does too!
I’ve always kind of thought that one possibility was that something would happen to Claire and Charlie would be left with Aaron.
I loved that they tied Naomi into Charlie’s flashback!!
I’m thinking that Karl, Bernard and Rose are three possible fatalities for the season finale. Also, possibly Claire.
Will we see Annie again? Ben’s little girlfriend that made him the wooden doll? I don’t think we’ve seen the last of her…. not thinking that she got gassed.
We watched “The Man Behind The Curtain” again last night before watching “Greatest Hits” and I swear that we heard someone yell “Mikhail” right before the raid on the Dharma camp. We replayed it several times and it’s pretty clear.
Anyway, that’s just some of my thoughts.
Leeann
May 17th, 2007 at 7:33 am
Gretchen, maybe Naomi’s family is Portugese and she lives in (or moved to) Manchester… plenty of people speak languages fluently other than the primary language of the country they live in. Her speaking Portugese should be no more puzzling than Sayid or Sun speaking English.
May 17th, 2007 at 8:10 am
Charlie’s shoe had some time on the camera for a bit. The checkared shoe is like a chess board and that the colors are black and white….good/bad thing again.
Yeah this episode was just a small prelude to what will happen in the finale. I have to rewatch it because my daughter woke up in the middle of it….
And yeah wow the looking glass is impressive!
May 17th, 2007 at 8:10 am
Could Greta and Bonnie (the Looking Glass women) have been on the helicopter with Naomi? It crashed offshore off of “Cable Beach” where Jin, Charlie, Hurley, and Des were camped. Maybe the LG Station was flooded, but they somehow managed to do a string of implausible things:
1. Don their SCUBA gear that they luckily brought with them on their helicopter mission (!?)
2. upon the underwater station (at night, in the dark?)
2. Get inside.
3. Re-boot the station; pump water out
/end theory
May 17th, 2007 at 8:11 am
Oh jeez. Let’s try that again:
1. Don their SCUBA gear that they luckily brought with them on their helicopter mission (!?)
2. Stumble upon the underwater station (at night, in the dark?)
3. Get inside.
4. Re-boot the station; pump water out
May 17th, 2007 at 8:19 am
Somehow I think that Juliett is still invloved with Ben and is still tryingto set them up. Or could it be that Ben lied to her? Either way I think charlie is a gonner. Charlies goodbye to Hurley was truly heartfelt. The ring he left behind was a family heirloom. How will Claire react to this? The show was good and the finale is going to be great!
May 17th, 2007 at 8:21 am
Also on some of the things at the lost store online…the dharma logos…there is one with nothing in it….could that be a mirror symbol?
May 17th, 2007 at 8:23 am
The Hydra Station, where Jack, Kate & Sawyer were held captive, was on or near the island with the cages. I got the impression the the whole station was not under water, but portions of it could be flooded.
I agree with Leeann that this epi was a “staging area” for the season finale.
People from any country can learn to speak any number of languages so why do people find it odd that Naomi speaks Portuguese? She has an ethnic look, perhaps she was raised in a multi-cultural household or maybe languages are part of her specialization in her job.
Where are you John Locke!?
May 17th, 2007 at 8:37 am
Leeann wrote: “I loved that they tied Naomi into Charlie’s flashback!!” I do not know exactly what Leeann is talking about. It seemed to me she is confusing Naomi (parachutist) with Nadia (Sayid’s Nadia) which is the one actually appearing in Charlie’s flashback.
Connie in Alaska, you are absolutely right. Charlie expressed not knowing how to swim early int he show. To me, it is a little mistake the writers made. But I can live with it. After all, it would not be the first (or the last one).
Namaste.
May 17th, 2007 at 8:45 am
I thought that last nights episode was good, let me take a breath after last week to prepare for what should be a nail bitter/ cliff hanger season finale. Anyway wondered if anyone noticed the tatoo on Ryan (other sent to Lostie beach), saw he had one on the preview for next weeks show, but I couldn’t make out what it was. Looked like a heart with two (?) words overlaying it. Looks different than say Jack’s.Blonde lady in the looking glass station- could she be the missing Annie, all grown up and that’s why she was not seen in the “gasing”? She looked older than a teenager, but I’m not good at approximating ages. And was that Patchy shooting at Des from the beach, forcing him to dive in, man he must have woken up with a killer headache!? Can’t wait to see next weeks show.
May 17th, 2007 at 9:22 am
Anybody noticed how Jack changed? From a lifesaver he’s turning into a killer?
He so happy to wipe all the Others out, know when they think that they are just a step towards beeing rescued?
May 17th, 2007 at 9:47 am
If Annie is still alive and aging at the same rate Ben is (i.e. she is not one of the “immortal” hostiles) she would be in her 40’s at least. I think we will find out that Annie met a tragic end or was sent away years before due to Ben’s manipulations and quest for power/control.
May 17th, 2007 at 10:04 am
Here’s my theory. Haven’t read any other sites. Just came up with this at lunch. The folks on The Looking Glass are the last remaining Dharma folks that Ben hid there from the Purge. I am betting that Annie is there (in agreement with someone who said one of the women is Annie above).
Ben told The Others that the hatch flooded so none of them would go there, and keep Annie safe. And that’s why Juliette said Ben’s the only one who’s ever been there.
I would love that!
And I so don’t want Charlie to die. This episode won me back!
My theory on Desmond’s flashes is that they are intended to tell D what he needs to do to stop Charlie from dieing in order for something to happen. Like D had to save Charlie in order for Charlie to be there when they got Naomi out of the tree. So, D has to save Charlie to make sure he succeeds in his mission.
May 17th, 2007 at 10:07 am
In western tradition according to penguin dictionary of symbols….shoes “signify a dying person is about to take his leave…” (hence charlie) It also symbolizes travel…symbols of the traveller. Also it’s a sign that the “individual are his or her own master, self-sufficient and responsible for his or her own actions”. I did know that shoes are a symbol as well of the principle of reality.
May 17th, 2007 at 10:08 am
I think Jack is leading them into a trap. He seemed awfully eager to make sure that all the women were going (e.g. Rose and Rousseau). If there is anyone I would want handling a gun at the beach it’s Rousseau. Why would Jack be adamant that she not stay?
As I posted several weeks ago, I think Jack had a meeting with Ben just like the one Ben had with Juliette prior to rejoining the Losties.
I think Annie is in the Looking Glass. My guess is that she was there during the coup by Ben’s design, and Ben is telling the people that the hatch is flooded to prevent them from discovering her. This is his way of a) protecting her, or b) preventing him from losing her to another guy. Now he’s probably too ashamed to face her, his one true friend, after his betrayal, which is why he has left her there. Annie perhaps believes that Dharma is still at war with the hostiles and that Charlie is a hostile himself, reminiscent of my favorite movie, Underground.
I also think that the hatch must have had something to do with the helicopter crash, or perhaps Naomi was once one of the ladies in the hatch.
Lastly, why not just cut the cable to the underwater hatch? Wouldn’t that be easier than swimming down there?
May 17th, 2007 at 10:31 am
charlies band on the radio was played on a station with the number 23
May 17th, 2007 at 10:32 am
If Desmond had a flash of charlie pulling a lever and then drowning, wouldn’t he have to be there to witness the event? Either he was lieing, Charlie did not pull the level when he was supposed to, or he will have the oppurtunity to pull the lever in the future. Personally I think that it would be anticlimatic to have Charlie die in the finale after seeing this episode, so I don’t really know.
May 17th, 2007 at 10:53 am
“maybe….it’s god thats going to be the one that saves me……” hmmm.
May 17th, 2007 at 11:46 am
When I went home for lunch my daughter was watching the 1st Kate flashback epi “Tabula Rasa” and the fake name she gives the Australian farmer is “Annie”!!!
Anyway, about the little girl Annie. You have to remember that the purge happened years ago. Deducing from Ben’s age then and now, the condition of the bodies in the pit of death and Roger Linus’ body, Alex’s age (I am assuming Ben acquired her after the purge) it had to have happened at least 15 or more years prior. Would Annie have been hiding in an underwater hatch or anywhere else on the Island for all that time? It doesn’t seem likely to me. For all we know she is still part of the Others group or she was gassed with everyone else during the purge or she left the Island. I am sure Ben had a hand in it whatever it was, and that ain’t good!
May 17th, 2007 at 12:34 pm
IMDB (a.k.a. the incorrect movie database) lists the women in the Looking Glass as being named Bonnie and Greta. No Annie. For what that’s worth.
I have been living spoiler free but will throw this out… the season finale each season has been a totally unexpected mind-bender, and each new season has started with a totally unknown (or close to it) character and perspective.
Season 1 ended as they opened the hatch and signified a transition from the wild to the hatch/DHARMA.
Season 2 started with Desmond (”hey, isn’t that the guy jack met while running?”) asnd ended with the destruction of the hatch and Penny being notified by some Portugese-speaking guys in the snow that they found something. In the meantime we learned about the Tailies and a lot more about the Others.
Season 3 started with Juliet (”that’s not Penny, is it?”) and now ends with chaos and death (I assume).
So I can only assume season 4 will open up a whole new paradigm and new characters, and season 3 will conclude in a spectacular fashion with just enough of a tease to keep our imaginations running wild for eight months.
May 17th, 2007 at 12:40 pm
Jaimeroberto, I think Jack is getting the women out of there because he’s an old-fashioned guy: chivalrous or chauvenist, take your pick! He’s into protecting people, esp. the “weak.” I doubt he’s setting a trap, but time will tell. One basic truth that seems to keep resurfacing (in my view) is that all of the real Losties become more human over time… whereas that never happens with the Others, except those questioning the regime. Sort of like the dichotomy between the original Star Wars crew and Darth Vadar, or the Star Trek folks and some of the inhuman types they encounter. As I think about this, Ben (versus Locke) is the one who seems like Anakin Skywalker– he started out humanly enough, but went to the Dark Side and stayed there.
I definitely think Annie will resurface, but I too doubt she’s one of the gals in the Looking Glass. I think she’s appear in a more surprising way, even. That said, who are these young gals, who are about Alex’s age? How could they have been born and survived? I almost had the feeling they were rebels in the same way the Losties are, and that they won’t turn out to be Others in the bad sense. But we’ll see!
Connie, interesting catch re Kate’s pseudonym! Hmmm…
May 17th, 2007 at 2:22 pm
Nadia.. its the Pearl sation logo…. not a mirror
May 17th, 2007 at 2:52 pm
Does anyone else find it as frustrating as I do that everyone still accepts a lot of what Ben has told them to have truth in it and not to expect anything bad to come of it. What I’m talking about in specific this time is that Juliette tells Jack et al that Ben had said that the Looking Glass has been flooded in an accident, why in the world wouldn’t they have prepared for a just in case? It just bothered me that no one said anything about not being able to trust any fact given by that evil little creepy man (aka Ben) Just an annoyance I had to air!
May 17th, 2007 at 5:05 pm
Jenn - Sayid told Alex a few episodes ago (while he was chained to a swing set or something and she came to get his backpack as ordered) that she looks “a lot like her mother.” I think she said something about her mother being dead. And he asked, “Is that what they told you?” It was a scene pretty similar to that anyway - sorry if I don’t have it exact. So that’s how Alex is kind of “on” to Ben now that he might not really be her father and such…
And I’m pretty sure I remember someone - most likely Sayid or Kate - telling Danielle that they saw her daughter with the Others and that’s how they got her to go along and help them check out the place where Mikael was. And Danielle made a comment about being afraid to see Alex/her daughter.
Anyone else remember this? I’m not sure why people are thinking there is any doubt left that the two are mother and daughter. The main thing I’m waiting for is their reunion!
And Connie is right, it was the Hydra station where Jack was being held before - which was set up like it had been where they were keeping that Dharma shark at one point.
Leann - I don’t think Claire, Rose or Bernard are going to be any of the three who die… still wouldn’t count Charlie out, as his flashbacks seem to have run their course and we know what happens to characters once they have no backstory left to tell… Claire still has a lot of mystery and I think she’s probably still breastfeeding Aaron so I’m not sure how he’d survive if she were to go…. and killing Rose and Bernard would serve no purpose as far as I can see. They obviously have a lot of backstory to tell yet also, which may be especially important once the other stories start to run dry.
Melissa & jamieroberto - I also like the idea Annie might be a part of the “second group of Others” and is one of the women in the Looking Glass station.
May 17th, 2007 at 6:19 pm
Here’s a more prosaic reason why Charlie will not flip the switch interrupting the blockage of Rousseau’s signal, facilitating our pals’ rescue: would it really take 32 more episodes for that rescue to happen? The Lost production team is notorious for stretching out a story, but that would be ridiculous. Charlie may or may not die anyway, but we’ll have to see.
My wife was a teary eyed mess when Charlie hugged Hurley; I’d be willing to bet she was not alone!
May 17th, 2007 at 7:18 pm
oh dear…that is sad when i didn’t even recognize the pearl logo….thanks…lots of thoughts jumbled up and combined..thanks
May 17th, 2007 at 7:57 pm
The more we see Nadia, the more I think she has a larger role to play. Consider that she seems to be quite the Jet-setter. She is everywhere, from the UK, to California, Europe. Where will she turn up next. And is she really dead?
May 17th, 2007 at 11:57 pm
I think Sayid got the map from the Russian’s house while rummaging about?
Great episode again, some of the English accents stink though.
May 18th, 2007 at 1:57 am
Judi — Everyone trusts Ben because he speaks just enough of the truth (and has just enough crazy in him) that they’re afraid not to.
Skepticism of Ben has gotten nobody anywhere. Locke was shot by him. Ana Lucia was (probably not coincidentally) shot by Michael, who was sent by the Others. Sayid hasn’t suffered much for it. Jack and Juliet, it remains to be seen. He screwed with Sawyer and Kate. He allowed Mikhail to get a beat-down and Juliet to be branded.
People who question Ben don’t usually stick around that long.
May 18th, 2007 at 8:11 am
Why didn’t the Losties use the dynamite to blow-up the cable that went to the underwater station? If the cable sent electical power (maybe or maybe it didn’t).. then no more radio jamming. It certainly would have been the first thing to try.. right, Sayid?
Continuity error of whether or not Charlie can swim? .. there is an easy explaination for the writers… (I know some of you are going to hate me)… how about different Time-Loops
This is by far the best LOST season yet!
May 18th, 2007 at 8:13 am
Question — what ever happened to Isabel (played by Diana Scarwid, best known for her role as Christina Crawford in Mommie Dearest….). She was in Episode “Stranger in a STrange Land” and we have seen nothing of her since. She seemed like a leader of sorts…. She might be the right age for a “reborn Annie”. Or maybe someone completely different, but she did seem to have a leadership role.. anyone?? anyone?? Bueller?
May 18th, 2007 at 9:57 am
Great episode! Love the design of the Looking Glass!
Any thoughts on Michael and Walt? Obvious questions: did they reach safety? Where did they go? Another boat? Land? Will they return with help (or at least send help)?
I was often frustrated with Michael as he was quite the hothead, and almost overly obsessed with finding Walt (to the exclusion of virtually every other issue).
It wouldn’t suprise me if Michael and Walt are part of the “cavalry” that finally come to the island at the end of the last season…or maybe the end of this season…
May 18th, 2007 at 10:42 am
Andre-
I am also surprised that we have heard nothing about Michael and Walt this season. I’m sure they can’t really expect us to believe that they made it home.
If I remember correctly, I believe Damon and Carlton made a mention in the Official Podcast [a while ago] of us seeing Michael and/or Walt before the end of this season. I guess that means we may see them in the finale!
May 18th, 2007 at 11:00 am
Yes i’m expecting Walt & Michael to pop up when we least expect it. There’s a lot of stuff about Walt’s powers and his time with the Others that needs explaining.
Credit to the Writers for the Manchester references between Charlie & Naomi. Night & Day cafe is a real music venue in Manchester with about a 300 capacity. website url is http://www.nightnday.org/. The actress that plays Naomi used to be in a brilliant UK show set in Manchester called Burn It, before she went onto Las Vegas of course…
Not sure about the accent of the guy playing Charlie’s Dad in the Butlins flashback, we couldn’t work out if he was supposed to be Irish, Welsh, Scottish or from Northern England!
May 18th, 2007 at 11:07 am
Is it a 2 hours finale ??
May 18th, 2007 at 12:20 pm
??? - Yes - 2 hours! Too bad it’ll be freakin forever until another…we need a time loop of our own out here.
really quick: as I’m tired of theory at this point and just love to watch.
Dave : I checked the episodes…Charlie had on a different shirt and stuff when Desmond met him outside and recognized him in the flashback scene…he was singing the same song, and it rained ( I”ve never been to Manchester, but I think it rains a lot there. Coincidence? ) but must have been a different day/loop or whatever. At first I thought the same thing. It was definitely Nadia.
To all :
I have not seen this mentioned this way here that I can remember, but I always got the impression that Ben did not necessarily kill ALL the DHARMA folks. He made a comment to Locke about “I was one of the people smart enough not to end up in that ditch”. I thought this meant that perhaps some other (sorry for that word ) DHARMA peeps must have been/could have been along w/ the takeover. This could mean that Mikhal, new chicks in The Looking Glass, and anyone else around Ben besides R. Alpert, Juliette and maybe a few more were there w/ DHARMA originally but they were unhappy or decided to throw there lot in w/ Benry after he approached them and swayed them to his plan. I figure that would account for there perhaps still being 2 sets of others…maybe Ben and Alpert made their own club mixed w/ DHARMA and hostiles who came to Ben along w/ R. Alpert.
Alpert left the hostiles thus making essentially 3 clubs.
1. Club Benry ( our favorite OTHERS to hate ).
2. O.G. DHARMA
A : ( DHARMA investors at home still operates under assumption things are o.k. on the island because Ben and Club Benry check in as if nothing is wrong so that they make food and supply drops.)
B : That, or they maybe have very few, none or limited numbers of people left financed by DHARMA ever since the purge.
3. O.G. Hostiles ( who are the super-human non-aging ghost people natives ).
All comments, suggestions, or thoughts are welcome!
May 18th, 2007 at 8:33 pm
Walt will “reappear”(smoke monster?) I betcha in the Locke section of our finale. I read that he was around the set a month ago, somewhere..I saw an interview with Benry(Micheal Emerson) on GoodDay Live. After being prodded if Locke was dead, he teased that Locke might be saved.. “by something that he gave up along time ago”…hmmm..WALT, maybe?? Ha!
May 18th, 2007 at 11:29 pm
Does anyone think that there is a connection between Kate and Annie? Could Kate have been Annie and then for some reason gone back to the mainland after the scene where she gives Ben the doll? This might help to explain the breakfast meeting on the beach between Ben and Kate back at the start of series three.
May 19th, 2007 at 1:33 am
Dave… you are stupid…keep your spoiler for you…If you are too ”kid” to wait one week Its YOUR problem not ours … so SHUT THE FUCK UP DUMB GUY !!!
May 19th, 2007 at 5:53 am
That’s a wild theory Jo…but Kate does end up being very attached to the toy airplane as a child….but I’m only thinking for some reason that the Annie girl and Kate girl when all that were too close in age at the time to be one and other…..then again someone said above she gave the name Annie to the Austrailian farmer on the run….hmmmmmmm…..nice one
Audrey : THANK YOU - - I ALMOST READ WHAT THAT SAID AND AGREE - NO SPOILERS
May 19th, 2007 at 5:56 am
Jo, intriguing thought about Kate and Annie, though I don’t feel it in my bones. However, there remains the strange mystery of what DID Ben communicate with Kate at breakfast that day? Something important, it seems. However, if it was that she was in fact Annie, it seems he would have done more to keep her in his own fold and treat her well, etc.?
Dave, I’m fine with your sharing on Michael Emerson, in part because it means Our Locke May Indeed Live! And Audrey, any one of us could have seen the same show Dave did, so chill! But could the “something he gave up” be… his kidney? Or even, self-love?
May 19th, 2007 at 6:28 am
I wouldn’t mind seing them get rescued next season and then have the last season be about how they readjust to society. Seeing old friends and family..going back to work…picking up life where they left off after having learned more about themselves on the island. (Locke stays on the island, of course) Maybe a spinoff??? Just kidding.
I would hate for the show to end as they all file into helocopters or a rescue boat and ride off into the sunset. There’s no redemption in that. What happens next?? Do they all exchange numbers and hang out in Vegas together once a year? Does Kate still run? Does Syid run into Naomi somewhere? I want to know what happens AFTER the island.
My favorite part of that movie Castaway was when Tom Hanks got back to his own bed for the first time. He was so used to sleeping on the groud for so long, he couldn’t even sleep in the comfortable bed. Also, the scene of him flipping on and off the light switch and the pain he felt when he came to the realization that life back home had moved on without him. Yet, the ending still left us with hope as he started to build a new existance. There’s your redemption.
May 19th, 2007 at 7:50 am
yeh, hard to say what a good ending would be, eh?! i agree that a rosy scenario would be for all or most of them to return home, with a completely new perspective (to say the least!)– maybe each becoming a leader in his/her own right, whether quietly or other. maybe even one final epi to that effect?
i trust the writers will come up with something completely intriguing— just hope we don’t lose too many losties before that happens.
May 19th, 2007 at 8:04 am
It’s true Nuciknfuts, I know the ages don’t really match up, if Annie was Kate, Kate should really be older than she is, but Richard should also be older and doesn’t look any different. Also, like you said, the attachment to the toy plane is similar to the toy dolls. Probably completely wrong but I think it would be really cool.
May 20th, 2007 at 4:19 am
Naomi’s helicopter crashing at the specific location of the Looking Glass Hatch was no coincidence.
Looking Glass either brought the helicopter down; OR the helicopter was really never there. (a la Penn and Teller)
The two chicks at Looking Glass reminded me of a James Bond movie. Hope Charlie gets laid before he dies! Charlie’s due. Claire is beautiful but is too busy taking care of the baby and keeping the tent clean to DO Charlie. She also thinks it’s a good idea to keep her distance from a guy who’s “gonna’ die”. She doesn’t want an arrow through her throat or a lighting bolt.
Looking Glass is the portal that connects the Island with Portland (get it — PORTLAND!) The phoney Mittlelos airstrip ( Herarat Aviation — Earhart, as in Amelia) is at the other end. Having to be asleep for the long, top secret flight is total BS. It might only take a few minutes.
Looking Glass is the Area 51 of LOST. Not many of the Others even know about it. Eathan and Goodwin did. Dick Cheney does, too. Even Juliet was given misinformation about it.
Let’s hope that the architects of Looking Glass didn’t design a single exposed switch that will flood the facility. If so, there’s probably a big sign on it. “Hey, Charlie, Look Flood Switch!!!”
May 20th, 2007 at 5:01 am
My guess for next week? We see Claire and the baby, maybe some other characters, get into a rescue helicopter. Hold on them flying away for a bit and then.. BOOM! Chopper explodes.
May 20th, 2007 at 7:50 am
Bill–your portal theory makes alot of sense since a portal is said to connect one black whole to another black whole–scientists have theorized about the existence of black holes right here on earth. If the island is near a black whole, it would explain why the island has been swallowing up ships and planes for so long. Remember how prepared the Others were for incidents such as the crash of the Lostie’s plane. I think that the 4 toed people died out into extinction because they were no longer able to reproduce (during a time that there were no planes or ships nearby to bring in new additions to their population).
May 20th, 2007 at 1:32 pm
I wouldn’t be surprised to see a portal… I have (as have others) noted the theme of introducing a new locale in each season’s finale and intro thus far.
And fof those who pay attention to these things… I am not the Dave who posted any spoliers above, that Dave’s name links to a web site. I agree… speculation and theory are always welcome but if you KNOW you’re posting a spoiler please keep it to yourself. That’s different from watching the show on East cost time and posting before it airs on the West coast… if you don’t want to know what just happened then don’t read the posts until after the show.
Just good netiquette. Keep up the good posts!
May 20th, 2007 at 1:33 pm
Tim — that might explain the five deaths this season. Wow, that would make things interesting.
May 20th, 2007 at 3:38 pm
Audrey–there’s no need to be rude. Kids read this site, including mine.
Dave, who posted the spoiler–knock it off. Don’t be a jerk. Many posters here don’t even watch the “next week” teaser at the end of the show. There are plenty of places to go if you’re looking for spoilers and this isn’t one of them.
May 20th, 2007 at 4:55 pm
Except for Karl, Rose, Bernard and especially Looking Glass, this was a dull episode for me; a set-up for the finale. Is Jack annoying to the rest of you?
May 20th, 2007 at 5:32 pm
very sorry Jen… very.. but he make me angry…:(
May 21st, 2007 at 6:11 am
I’m intrigued with Bill’s idea of the Looking Glass being the portal to Portland. If that were true, then the Lost Island could be contained in a different reality from the rest of us, with it’s own Time and Space (I’m thinking Snow Globe).
I know that the Lost Creators have told us that there is no time travel in Lost, but what if it wasn’t Time “Travel,” but it’s Time “Something else.”
Until the Lost Creators come right out and say that Time is not distorted in any way, shape, or form, I’m going to believe that there is something going on with Time on this show, which could be caused by the unusual magnetic properties of the Island.
May 21st, 2007 at 8:28 am
Dan from SD — on the program that aired last Thursday night (I think called “The Answers”), Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse made a few references to 1) the island not being Purgatory, and 2) “somewhere in the space-time continuum.” Interpret that as you will, either a “different reality” or snow globe.
Keep in mind, though, that Jack was shown the Red Sox winning the 2004 World Series (which happened October 27, 2004, 35 days after 815 crashed). So while time could be distorted, it has not arrested and at least until that point they did not live in a world of endless “time loop”s.
I wouldn’t be surprised if there is some alteration of time on the island — all the commentary about birthdays and the appearance that the Others do not age being the keys.
May 21st, 2007 at 8:48 am
I’ll stick with Looking Glass being the port from Portland somehow, BUT I can’t even begin to explain how Mr. Eko’s brother and plane got there from Africa. The plane is important since it is the same model flown by Amelia Earhart. Herarat (Aviation - Mittelos) is an anagram of Earhart. She disappeared in the South Pacific (1937) in the same vicinity as Flight 815.
Maybe it’s not time travel, but transporter beam of some type. It’s 2-way - Ethan and Richard interacted with Juliet.
I hope the producers/writers of this series are not counting on people just forgetting about all this stuff they’ve piled-on and never explained very well.
May 21st, 2007 at 12:10 pm
Bill and Dave- I don’t know if I saw it here or on the only other forum I haunt (The Fuselage), but thought it tied into what you were discussing about Portland. Someone else posted this little tidbit and I never checked a screecap to see if it is true.
When Sayid finally gets Naomi’s sattelite phone working, the screen lights up and there appears to be a radiating circle (as in pinpointing a location) just off the Pacific Northwest coast of Oregon or Washington. I immediately thought of the “Not in Portland” reference. It probably wouldn’t be the Island, but it could be “the other side” of the Looking Glass station.
I have always been curious about how Richard Alpert and other actual physical materials seem to get to the Island just when they are needed, and how it doesn’t seem like a big deal for the Others to get what they need from the Outside world. In the real wolrd (the one we live in!) those kinds of operations–getting things to and from one of the most remote points on the planet– would require massive amounts of energy, time and money in planning and implementing. On the other hand, it is TV land where no one looks up a number in a phone book, has to use the bathroom or wakes up looking like a zombie in the morning.
May 21st, 2007 at 12:28 pm
Dave.. I did catch that comment by Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse about the island being “somewhere” in the space-time continuum, rather than saying the island “was” in our space-time continuum. I think they carefully answered this question, and because they were that careful I believe something is going on with space-time.
Bill.. about Mr Eko’s brother and plane getting to the Island, I think it’s possible it all was another creation by the island, just like seeing Jack’s Dad, Kate’s horse, and Smokey the monster. Or, if space-time is being bent and twisted, it’s possible for mass to jump around thru time and space in non-linear ways that we are not used to.
An example would be if space and time is like a flat sheet of paper, and you put two dots on the paper and laid the paper flat.. the dots would be a set distance from each other. But if you folded or crumpled the paper in various ways (like Space-Time distortion), suddenly the dots could become much closer to each other in an infinite number of ways.
I can hear some of you saying.. “forget science, just enjoy the show”.. I am, even more so because the writers have given us an endless number of ideas to think about.
May 21st, 2007 at 11:38 pm
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May 22nd, 2007 at 2:14 am
So regarding the things that people have seen on the island:
- Jack sees his dad, but nobody else has.
- Kate sees the horse, which I don;t think anyone else has.
- Mr Eko finds his brother’s body and the plane he was on… but so do Locke and Boone.
- Numerous people have seen the “smoke moster.”
- Numerous people have seen apparations of Walt.
- Hurley has seen his “imaginary friend” Dave… but Dave didn’t exist off-island either.
- Anthony Cooper was not only seen by Locke and Sawyer and the Others but is (was) clearly there.
- Jacob is… we don’t know.
- Ben saw his mother when nobody else did. Shades of the “Scream” movies. (#3?)
There does not appear to be any pattern. Some could be projections from the island. Some could be the smoke monster. I’m fairly certain they don’t all have the same explanation.
Dan from SD, I do like the example of points on a piece of paper. The only problem is that points on a piece of paper are two dimensional. (The physical dots are three dimensional but in the analogy of the flat piece of paper there is no depth.) Distorting the paper adds a third dimension. Observing it over time adds a fourth. To add two dimensions into a 4-D world (like what we live in, which is 3-D and progresses through time, a fourth dimension) already gets into things beyond the realm of most people’s ability to think and reason.
This is one of my major pet peeves with the “Time Loop” theory. If there is a time loop, who is the central character? And that person can effect change on everyone else that they are powerless over? It’s an interesting metaphysical (not sure if that’s the right term) argument, I guess, but virtually impossible to turn into a coherent linear narrative like a television show. For instance, if Des can affect change, why not keep going back in time until he makes things right with Penny (a la Groundhog Day)?
May 22nd, 2007 at 2:58 am
Unless Jacob is the man who controls the time loop…
May 22nd, 2007 at 2:58 am
In which case, he’s a Sox fan.
May 22nd, 2007 at 3:49 am
The Lockheed Electra plane, the heroin-filled statues and Eko’s mummyified brother were not aberrations. They were THERE physically.
How’d they get there? So far, NOTHING explains it. Only thing that comes close is a portal or transporter beam. OR MAYBE it got there with a crane; operated by Dharma/Covert Government/Halliburton people?
I think everything on this show will be explained simply. It’s like the movies, “Planet of the Apes” and “Sixth Sense” or a good episode of Twillight Zone. You make up all this stuff in your mind while you’re watching it, when all-along it was obvious. Then you slap your forehead and say, “doh-h”.
Wispers in the jungle? A good Bose system.
I wonder how many clues have been left by the producers that no one ever caught? We’re all taking a ride. An entertaining ride at that.
May 22nd, 2007 at 5:32 am
Bill.. I hope you’re right, that there is a kind of a “Sixth Sense” type movie explaination that makes us all go “why didn’t I think about that?? ” And then we can replay all the episodes we’ve saved and go.. uh huh.. the answer was right in front of us all the time.
Dave.. I enjoyed reading the points you made. And true, space-time is much more complex than my example of a sheet of flat paper. Still, the writers have written in details about a very powerful magnetic force on the Island that can do mysterious things.. violently pushing and pulling matter and energy.. which could mean that magnetism is an easy explaination for distortions.
I think the Time-Loop idea of things repeating until they are done correctly was almost explained in the Desmond’s “Flashes Before Your Eyes” episode. Here is a recap of what I think was the most important episode of all of Lost
“Oh my God,” Desmond says, “you knew that was going to happen, didn’t you?”
The Pawn Shop lady nods.
“Then why didn’t you stop it? Why didn’t you do anything?”
“Because it wouldn’t matter. Had I warned him about the scaffolding tomorrow he’d be hit by a taxi. If I warned him about the taxi, he’d fall in the shower and break his neck. The universe, unfortunately has a way of course correcting. That man was supposed to die. That was his path. Just as it’s your path to go to the island. You don’t do it because you choose to, Desmond, you do it because you’re supposed to.”
“I’m going to meet Penny in an hour. I’ve got a ring. She’ll say yes. I can choose whatever I want.”
“You may not like your path, Desmond, but pushing that button is the only truly great thing that you will ever do.”
May 22nd, 2007 at 6:07 am
How does the “portal theory” explain planes falling out of the sky?
We have seen some form of damage on the Black Rock, and of course Oceanic Flt. 815. Ethan described “a rough ride” to Juliette in Portland. And of course, there is Naomi’s Helo.
I don’t remember seeing anything that would explain why the Sub would experience turbulence so near the island if everyone was transported via “The Looking Glass”.
The plane that drops supplies may drop them from a higher altitude to avoid the type of destruction that we have seen on air and sea vessels. Does anyone else find it a bit odd that Flt. 815 was flying so low?
I’m not trying to “disprove” anyone’s theory, but I would like to understand how these things might be explained.
May 22nd, 2007 at 6:21 am
Dave,
Great post. I just have one correction. Kate’s horse is seen by Sawyer at the end of the episode.
Thanks! 32.5 hours!!!
May 22nd, 2007 at 7:14 am
Bill, agreed on the simple explanation. Some excellent recent movies (The Sixth Sense, The Prestige, to name two) focus on this. Often there is a clue early on that everyone either loses sight of or fails to focus on. I have heard rumors (they may be nothing more than this) that there is some climactic moment in the pilot that gives a huge clue as to what is going on. The likely candidates seems to be Locke and Walt playing backgammon (they’re the two ’special’ people), but I think there was a throwaway line by Rose saying the sound (of the ’smoke monster’) reminded her of her childhood in Brooklyn that makes me wonder… two things in Brooklyn that might make a noise like that are a subway and a roller coaster.
Dan — I do like your theory a lot, I simply find it too difficult and abstract to be the theme of a mass market TV show. Time-space disturbances and 5th and 6th dimensions are heady stuff. Then again, the Matrix was a huge box-office success. I do agree entirely that the Desmond episode has major significance in the grand scheme of things; I’m just not sure how literally we’re meant to interpret what happened to him.
Also, in hindsight, most of us tend to rationalize our behaviors (e.g. because I did X, Y, and Z, I wound up on the island) even if there is no clear cause and effect sometimes. Des in particular seemed to take on the button-pushing as his “mission” when he realized that he brought down 815. He may be, honestly (and to co-opt a handle from this blog) nucking futs, and all this is rationalization as to why he’s here. Deja vu kinda stuff (Charlie, I knew this was going to happen except in my vision you died, etc.).
Keep in mind the familiar Locke mantra: don’t mistake fate with coincidence.
May 22nd, 2007 at 7:29 am
¿¿¿-Knock it off with the countdowns. You’ve already been asked nicely.
I still can’t figure out why Charlie konked Desmond on the head. I forgot to mention that. It actually kind of bugged me. In fact, the whole conversation on the rowboat was confusing. Desmond tries to talk Charlie out of going at the last minute, even though he knows exactly what has to happen. And then, instead of having a discussion about Desmond’s visions, Charlie just smacks him. Why?
I’d forgotten about Walt and Yemi appearing on the island. I always thought that what made Walt appear to Shannon was entirely different from what made Eko’s brother and Jack’s dad appear.
I don’t think Annie is Kate. Or Danielle. I think Annie is still around but we haven’t met her as an adult yet.
May 22nd, 2007 at 8:11 am
Oh yeah - - does anyone think now that Charlie smacked Desmond on the head that perhaps Des will no longer have his ability to see the future? Head trauma turned apparently turned it on and off before - -
May 22nd, 2007 at 8:17 am
Jen, I think Des tries to get Charlie not to go out of heroism. Same reason he goes in to turn the failsafe. The reason he was unable to be with Penny is because he was too cowardly/dishonorable, according to Mr Widmore. Des wants to vindicate himself by being honorable. He also perhaps doesn’t trust that he will ever be reacquainted with Penny, while Charlie has “found” someone in Claire (and Aaron).
Also, Charlie hasn’t died yet as per any of his other visions.
So Des tries to do the honorable thing, but poor old bastard Charlie decides that the way to glory and salvation is in being martyred and clocks Des. It’s realy, in my opinion, not out of Character with the Charlie who abducted Sun or fought with Locke or Des. It’s just that now he’s being selflessly selfish (selfishly selfless?).
Plus, things have a way of course-correcting. Charlie was meant to go to the looking glass. But is it fate? Or coincidence?
May 22nd, 2007 at 8:27 am
Dean, not sure Flight 815’s altitude is significant. During the initial disturbances, it appeared the plane was pretty high; then, when the break-up is shown from the ground, they looked low. Plane could have dropped significantly during the interval due to some massive magnetic pull. Remember what it was doing to metal objects in the Swan Hatch?
Some vessels have obviously “punched through” the island’s curtain. Black Rock, Danelle’s boat (???), Smuggler’s plane (???) Desmond’s boat, Flight 815. I don’t think the “rough ride” is from the sub, but perhaps through the portal.
Maybe supplies are NOT dropped from the sky, but rise from underground? Maybe Cuse and Lindelof are actually Penn and Teller?
May 22nd, 2007 at 8:52 am
NuckinFuts, yeah, maybe that’s all Desmond needed. A good whack on the head might stop the merry-go-round and counteract that whack he got in the pub. That’s a great observation.
May 22nd, 2007 at 1:09 pm
The last ABC podcast hinted that we’d get some resolution regarding Des’s premonitions. I agree with you NF & Bill, maybe the whack to the head will revert Des. That little storytelling element could get very old very quickly, with all the “why doesn’t Desmond do this…” questions.
May 22nd, 2007 at 2:31 pm
Maybe I missed some of the “visions” Des has had, but haven’t they all been about Charlie’s demise? And if so might they then stop due to a resolution as to Charlie’s fate (be it his actual death or whatever the writters have in store?).
May 23rd, 2007 at 5:17 am
Judi - that’s a great point. Why are all of the flashes about Charlie? I wonder if there is some other link between Charlie and Desmond that we have not seen yet.
Why doesn’t he have a flash about what the Others are doing, and stop them!
May 23rd, 2007 at 5:57 am
Lori- that would be too convenient! LOL plus, I think he has these visions because he’s there when they happen. He’s not with The Others… maybe.