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This edition of “The Transmission” covers “The Package,” the tenth episode of Season 6. We share our thoughts, then we turn it over to “You All Everybody,” our brilliant listeners. After a new track from The Others LOST Band, we report on the last week of production in the “Forward Cabin.”
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- 0:43:08 Feedback: You All Everybody
- 1:21:36 “Kill the Devil†by The Others LOST Band
- 1:26:18 Spoilers: The Forward Cabin
- 1:31:16 Closing
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Hello. The link to the podcast doesn’t seem to be working.
Listening to the podcast at the moment.
I think the scene where Ben pulls the ‘drain plug” wasn’t a way to release the Smoke Monster from some containment, but removing the water allowed a portal to be made for the Smoke Monster to bypass the sonic fence that was protecting New Otherton so that it could kill Keamey’s men.
I agree with Jen — Keamy is one scary creepy sinister villian! —
Thanx Rich in Cleveland for your articulate analysis of this latest episode and of Lost as a whole
Listening to the podcast … Jen mentions that she thought Hurley and Miles formed some kind of bond during their 3 years together in Dharma, but wasn’t Hurley off-island for those years? I myself am unclear on elapsed time since the Ajira flight crashed, but according to Lostpedia, it was only a matter of days between the Oceanic 6 returning (with Jack, Kate, and Hurley joining Dharma) and The Incident.
Or I could just be confused. Wouldn’t be the first time …
To me the podcast doesn’t work.
I had to chuckle during the podcast when Ryan mentioned he felt the writers were going overboard establishing the fact that Jin and Sun are not married in the Sideways time line (i.e., holding up his hand and exclaiming “not married!”).
Well, I’m married to someone who watches LOST, has probably seen every episode, but has never, ever listened to a podcast (w/o my “hey, listen to this…”) or read a LOST blog. He really enjoys the show, but doesn’t think about it too much between episodes. I imagine the obvious references (to us) are helpful to viewers like Dan (I think there’s a handful out there…somewhere).
In fact, he was watching an “enhanced” episode a while ago and said “Hey, did you know…..?” – I don’t remember exactly what he said – but I replied “Duh!”. His response? “Oh yeah, forgot about all of those blogs, web sites and podcasts…”.
I’m sure there are other couples out there like us. To his credit, he did drive all over town one day looking for the latest issue of a LOST-focused Entertainment Weekly for me. For a casual viewer, he’s a good guy.
So think of Dan and his peeps next time we’re hit with a “duh!” moment. 🙂 To them, it’s “ah ha…..”.
Love the podcast!
I know that Lost is coming to an end – a very sad event. (Alas, I never did watch Lost, but know that I will probably be a late fan – just like Firefly and Serenity.) But…. will you guys consider resurrecting HawaiiUp once Lost is over? I tuned in regularly and would love to have some new episodes. Please!?!?
OMG OMG OMG!!!
Haven’t listened to the podcast yet, but…
RYAN AND JEN IN THE NEW YORK TIMES!!!!!!!!!
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/04/arts/television/04lost.html
And here’s how geeky I am – I posted the article on my Facebook page.
I thought it was such a good article! You guys are the best, and deserve the accolades!
Laura D – If I was on your facebook page I would give that article a “like”! I think it is great you did it.
Mark, Athina, and anyone else having trouble downloading: Our media server, Libsyn, is obviously having a bad day, and they’ve decided to take Easter Sunday off. I’ve re-uploaded the file, even uploaded separate files, to no avail.
I don’t know why some people can get the file, and others can’t (“Error 8006,” some kind of endless loop), but the only advice I can find is, “Keep trying.” Hopefully, eventually, you’ll catch the actual file.
Of course this has to happen on New York Times day! Thanks, Laura and Carol and everyone else for the congrats.
HoganKaffee, you’re not the only one who misses HawaiiUP. I’ll never say never, but chances are, our next podcast will be Popspotting. Maybe we’ll include some Hawaii news now and then?
Ryan, I couldn’t download the enhanced version, but I could download the other one if that helps.
Congratulations, kudos, and awwrrrightmmmmmaaannnn!!!! From Hawaii to NY Times. Only makes sense though (when so much doesn’t) cause you’re sure in our hearts!
Nerds rock! Lost rules! And absolute Lost corrupts completely!
The podcast doesn’t seem to be working from the link provided above or in iTunes… *cries*
Hope you can get it fixed shortly. 🙂
No forward cabin posts please! I want to be surprised when “Error 8006” accompanied by the sound of the hatch alarm happens mid-takeoff of Ajira causing the plane to crash.
I don’t agree that Sun’s loss of language is either soap opera filler or a coincidence. It’s part of a design that’s been suggested from the beginning centered on the tower-of-babel like confusion of speech on one hand, and the revelatory power of speech on the other. (In the beginning was the word: “Logos” “Om”) I refer to this thematic node as “speaking in tongues” after the talking heads cd that juliet pulls out in her debut, but that plays downtown instead. Mihail speaks 9 languages. Latin and the need for a secret language. Rousseau’s misunderstood transmission in French. Walt speaking backwards. Jack’s tattoo which actually says “Eagle flying high cleaves the sky” instead of what Isabelle reports. The gibberish Michael types into the swan computer. The broken intercom in the shark tank. Etc.
The truth is encrypted in there somewhere, but language has been twisted and broken apart to the extent that we can’t trust what we think we perceive. This is smokey’s primary tool for manipulation.
That’s why I really loved the rumplestilskin theory on the podcast. The quest for the magic word. But human mytholgy is filled with stories of such magic phrasing that can call the divine into the world in times of peril and need. If he who must not be named is a genie, Alakazam! How about the charm of making? “Annal nathrax, uth ves spe hod, dockdell d’envy.”
Sometimes I find that I try to squeeze in so much that my clarity suffers.
You asked what Flocke did to Sun? Quite simply, he confused her power of speech in order to play on the resultant confusion and mistrust.
Great podcast, Ryan, you sounded miserable, hope you are feeling better.
@Doc – Nerds rock! Lost rules! And absolute Lost corrupts completely! – Love it, it should be the board anthem.
@Rich – Great message on the podcast, very articulate and well thought out. Laughed when you mentioned me. Still on team Sawyer. Here’s why, if I was on the island I would be like Sawyer doing anything I could to get off. Both MIB and Jacob aren’t trustworthy. But Rich I think that MIB being the bad guy could be a set up. Lost loves to surprise us at the end with big reveals and MIB could be one of them. It’s way too easy to blame him for everything. Your theory about Sun is very interesting, I like it.
I don’t understand why Jack is so committed to being a candidate except for it stroking his ego. He knows little to nothing about Jacob, none of them do except Ben, Ilana, Richard and Hurley. Hurley only knows what Jacob has shared with him. Richard hasn’t shared the whole “cork” theory, as far as they know the island is Hell. Richard never told them his story, we saw it but they didn’t. Which is important to remember. They don’t even know why he doesn’t age. So Jack, why do you want to become Jacob when you don’t know who he is? Jack should be grilling Ben and Ilana for more info right now.
@Ryan and Jen – interesting point re: touching Locke’s hand. I guess another reason is them being creeped out. You had a friend, the friend dies, suddenly the friend is back but is taken over by a strange being that become smokey. Who would want to touch that? lol As for leaving Sun, I think Locke left her alone because she has to come of her own free will or it won’t work. (whatever “it” is)
@everyone – love hearing voices of posters on the podcast, it is nice to connect a voice with the poster. Maybe I’ll get the nerve to call this week if I get a theory about something. Hmm, me get a theory? How unusual? ha ha. Problem is I overtheorize, but that’s half the fun of the show.
I am reading Things you never noticed about Lost by Vozzek and I can’t put it down, highly recommend it to any Lost fans!
@shannymac – is this a book or a website? do you have a link? Thanks!
@ Carol from Boston:
http://www.thingsinoticed.com/
I bought the book and highly recommend it!
Off to take a long walk and listen to the podcast! It’s beautiful in NJ today and opening day for the Phillies! Go Phills!
i think Sun hitting her head was another example of the the sideflashes and the original world merging. our first example was Juliet saying ” it worked” ” lets go dutch” also jack looking in mirror and seeing the cut on the neck and the appendix scar and now Sun not speaking english but understadning it
@ Carol ~~ Maybe Hurley caught the other Losties up since he would know the Richard story, and maybe even the cork story — he seems to know stuff ~~ yeah, Jack is going all ‘noble’ again — he certainly seems to mean well… Sawyer did that incredibly selfless act when he jumped from the gas-leaking plane and left $$ for his daughter, but usually he is pretty practical and hostile. I really want things to end well for him (and Kate), with their hard-luck stories.
Ah the links are working now. Thank you. And many congratulations on the NY Times article. You’re proper industry types now!
Hey all – hope you all had a good weekend. Thanks for the podcast.
Just listening to the podcast, but needed to bring up certain things that I respectfully disagree with.
In defense of Sayid : I have noticed several comments, here and elsewhere asking why did Sayid not help Jin. And that was not character for Sayid etc. For me, Sayid acted very reasonably and did in fact provide assistance to Jin. Remember that (1) Sayid does not know Jin in the Sideverse; (2) Sayid knew that the restaurant was a place where unsavoury types called home (Keamy and co.); (3) Sayid had just killed 3 people; (4) Sayid has no way of knowing who Jin was, was he a bad man? Would Jin come after him? Would Jin attack him, call the police? By handing Jin the box cutter it allowed Sayid to have time to escape and provided Jin with a means to eventually get loose. Sayid played it smart.
Frank, Miles and the bacon comment : To me when Frank said to Miles … “hey don’t talk about bacon.” I thought that Frank was chastizing Miles about Hurley. For me it was Frank clearly saying to Miles ‘don’t talk badly about Hurley’ in a sarcastic and humouristic way to disfuse tension.
Regarding Desmond looking horrible, you hear in the background Zoe mention that she may have given Desmond too much sedative… that why he may have looked worst than Juilet.
Random thought :
With regard to the scene where Miles is taken into the van by Bram and co. telling him not to join Widmore’s team. This may come back to the forground when our Losties will get to the Hydra Island and meet with Widmore. Miles, as well as Ilana, will confront Widmore about him not being on Jacob’s side. Thus giving us perhaps a third team in the mix. Widmore could be in it for his own reasons … Ben did mention that Widmore wanted to exploit the Island – but can we trust Ben?
Back to the podcast …
I was so excited to discover the NYT article in Sunday’s Entertainment section. As I am a big fan of Lost AND your podcast, I happily devoured the article. Now, of course, you will have many new listeners when sadly the final season is ticking to its end. I liked the idea of starting over or at least podcasting Season One.
I can’t believe you read my Vampire post on the show, that is so awesome, thank you. I’m really happy that you interpreted it the way you did – that there was supposed to be some humor in just thinking about the show from this perspective. Cool.
I also want to say that I really appreciate your podcast because you refuse to go the “hater” direction that SO MANY other podcasts are going. Everyone complains and complains about one show being worse than the last, or there being no answers, etc. You are right, it’s about the ride, the show hasn’t strayed from what has made it AWESOME all these years. What made us love the show is that there are all these questions. And even in its last moments, we get to have more questions!!! Woo hoo. The show hasn’t changed just because it’s going away, it’s sticking to the formula we love, letting us explore ideas, characters, relationships, and mythology – and even in its final stretch.
I love every minute, even Kate episodes, why not 🙂
Thanx for the great remarks above Re: Sayid, Frank, and enjoying every last minute — thanx shanny for the site — great analysis in the chapter posted — such advanced minds gather here!
I’ve listened for several years now and never commented or called in … but the NY Times story was awesome!
Plus it helps me legitimize my Lost fascination to my snobby professor husband; last year he added up all the time I spend watching the show, reading blogs and listening to your podcast each week … it was rather sobering and did encourage me to cut back, but The Transmission is on iPod every week. Congrats!
I just listened to the podcast and the new episode is tomorrow night, but I felt like writing NOW even though everything may change after we see tomorrow’s show. ïŠ
1. Nobody seems to be talking about Sun’s deal with Widmore any more. Couldn’t she be responsible for Widmore being able to find the island now?
2. I find it very odd that either nobody’s connected Desmond’s importance in the scheme of things… or maybe some have made the connection and it’s just not being voiced. We know electromagnetic energy pockets are important. Who’s the only person we know of who has stood right on top of one and lived to tell the tale? Desmond!
3. I really don’t care for this convenient loss of Sun’s spoken English. A preparation for the other reality? Eh, I’m not buying that. Will Jin be losing his English as well? Will Sun lose her ability to write and understand it? Doesn’t fly with me.
4. The theory that Locke needs the six simply because then there won’t be a candidate left to replace Jacob seems dead-on to me. That’s what I’ve always thought and I don’t see why Jen thinks that’s pessimistic.
5. Don’t forget that Sayid was DEAD. Dead is dead. There’s more to him than just being an infected person like Claire. There’s been talk about the Man in Black being replaced as well as Jacob. Could this be Sayid’s purpose? Both Sayid and MiB LOOK like someone who know is dead? Sayid is Smoky Jr? And this time around, he seems relatively soulless and burnt out so maybe that will make for a better smoke monster in the future?
6. Why did Locke leave Sun alone after she hit her head? I thought it was simply because she had to come willingly and when she got knocked out, he lost any chance of convincing her. So he left.
A thought about the flashsideways… I’ve heard it mentioned several times now that the flashsideways could possibly be what happens if Smokey gets out. Has it been considered that the original timeline (Jack divorced w/ bad relationship w/ his dad, Sawyer the con man, Kate in handcuffs, etc) might be what happens if Smokey gets out? What if the flashsideways is the positive result of keeping Smokey contained? i.e. Jack still divorced, but w/ a child to develop a good father-son relationship with? Sawyer the cop instead of the conman? Kate still in handcuffs, but… well, it’s just a thought.
Any thoughts?
@KK – I think with a Desmond episode coming up we should find out more, well I hope so anyway. The producers said the flash sideways is definitely happening and it is not an alternate reality, so it has to be a time travel change due some variable. What is the variable? That is the question? Does Desmond go back and change things for everyone?
@Shanny- thanks for the link, I read part of the chapter posted, it was really interesting. Though I am not sure the writers think about every little detail like that.
@Ben – I agree, I like the positive tone of this podcast. Watching the show should be fun and listening to the podcast should be fun.
@Coolpeace – I thought that Frank was just hungry and wanted bacon. 🙂 My brain tends to just take things at face value.
I am looking forward to tomorrow night. I miss the enhanced versions.
@greenberry – how much does Hurley know about Richard? He just knows what his wife told him. Maybe Richard is blabbing everything and it just isn’t covered on camera. Just saying that Jack is so determined to be some kind of hero that he doesn’t always think things through and ask enough questions.
Wondering if MIB’s replacement will be Sayid, did MIB stop feeling things like Sayid did? Is that why he didn’t eat or drink and seemed pretty calm till he got into Locke’s body and felt things again. Can you imagine Hurley as the new Jacob and Sayid as the new MIB? Interesting…. Boy I am going to miss this show!!
BTW @greenberry – haven’t had time to listen to that podcast again, but I do remember them saying one reason that Lost worked is they developed their characters first and slipped in the mythology as they went along. Damon and Carlton feel like that other sci-fi shows like invasion failed because the writers concentrated more on the mystery and not the characters. Once the mystery was revealed viewers didn’t care enough to stick around because they didn’t care about the characters. The writers deliberately made the mythology come at a slower pace the first season. Now in the final season they feel like even though some people really care about the mythology, more people really care more about the characters and what happens to them, rather than who put the tatoo on the Dharma Shark (It was Pierre Chang, they said, lol).
Wooo hooo finished the podcast – it makes me so happy hearing all the great analysis.
@ Bluedog1121 : I think you are right on target with your comment on the hot coco vs the peanut butter. When we first got the peanut butter imagery it was sweet and innocent and now five years latter we get a similar imagery but it is seen more of a loss of innocence commentary… things have changed for our Losties indeed.
It also ties in to what Rich in Cleveland mentioned in his well thought out comment about repeated imagery, repeated dialogues and repeated story elements. It would be a fun exercise making a list of all the different “repeats†which the Lost writers have given us in the last six years.
In fact, now that I think about it we could replace “repeated†with mirrored. As in mirrored imagery. Is that why we are getting all those mirror references in the Sideverse?
Like Richard and the doctor struggling and doctor hits his head and dies mirrors Desmond and Kelvin’s struggle and Kelvin hits his heads and dies.
Kelvin wanting to escape the hatch, waiting for his replacement mirrors MIB wanting to escape the island, Jacob waiting for his replacement. (are MIB and Jacob two parts of a whole?)
“What did one snowman say to the other snowman?” mirrors “What lies in the shadow of the statue?”
The metaphor of the island as a cork mirrors the swan hatch as a cork for the electromagnetism. Lostpedia : “According to “Access Granted” on Lost: The Complete Third Season (DVD), the DHARMA Initiative broke into an electromagnetic anomaly on drilling. The break allowed the magnetic field to leak out and the Swan was constructed over this area to serve as a sort of cork in the dam. DHARMA then formulated the Swan protocol as a means of temporarily closing the leak, but with the drawback that the field would would continue to build up and eventually break it. The fail-safe system permanently “sealed” the leak.â€
In any event, all this is to emphasize that the devil is in the details (pun intended ;)). These writers and Damon and Carlton are not giving us filler. Nothing since the end of season 3 should be considered filler. Especially in this final season, they want us to see all those details, they are significant and will ultimately tie to the story. @ Rich : dissertation indeed
@ greenberry : re the Meet the Filmmaker podcast. Ryan sent me the following source link to the podcast page :
http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/meet-the-filmmaker/id301899522
I think that this will open a webpage for you and you will bypass iTunes and can stream the podcast from that page. click the play button on the left after highlighting the “Lost Creators” line #3. Let me know if this works for you.
@coolpeace – Wow!! I am impressed with all that work. You and Rich make a great team!!
wow. this book has some amazing things, all true or now vozzek is amazing.
check this out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkYpeN-9I-0
In the book he refers us to the very ending of Tabula Rasa where happy music is playing and it goes to Locke (season 1, ep 3 people!) and turn up the volume and listen… sure sounds like smokey at the very end to me!!!
after watching this, there is no doubt the writers knew exactly what they were doing from the get go.
@carol from boston: I disagree with you (respectively 🙂 I think the writers do think about every little detail. Lost has given/taken pop culture references from everything from the bible to alice in wonderland. I also think this is why Widmore’s new gang referred to as the nerd herders on the jay & jack podcast are exactly that… nerdy. Seems like a “shout out” to nerds everywhere! I for one lovingly refer to my amazingly smart, whitty, funny, pop culture filled brother as nerdy and go to him everytime an episode leaves me confused for answers. Which is well, every Wednesday! Point being, if you love Lost, you will get a real kick out of this book.
should read “all true or NOT” sorry the clip of locke has my mind racing! season 1 people!!!! season freaking 1, ep 3!!!
@Carol from Boston… yes, patience is what I need to have. 🙂 Can’t wait for tomorrow night! whoohoo!
@shannymac – I checked out the Vozzek chapter that is accessible online, and I agree! Amazing!! I think the writers think about every little detail too. Any show that plants this many specific books & songs, cultural references & visual cues HAS to be doing it on purpose (and I always think back to season 1, when Hurley is running through the aiport and passes a girl’s soccer team with jersey #s 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42 all in a row). They probably have a “detail crew” on staff, doing only that — planning and planting all the little details.
@Shanny – I’ll check out the site again, I read the first couple of pages while eating lunch at work. He certainly covers everything, what an eye for detail. I guess what I was thinking of is Damon and Carlton saying that people give them way too much credit for being smarter than they are. I come at all of this as a huge fan, but there are a ton of people out there that are a lot smarter than me and it always surprises me what they pick up that I missed. (which is why I come here. :))
There has been a fair bit of speculation as to the final scene of Lost.
Here’s my 2 cents worth, I believe someone will chosen as the ‘candidate’ of the Island, and the last shot will show that person back in modern day on the mainland talking with little kid or putting his/her hand of their shoulder, just Jacob did.
Thus showing that although the island needs a guardian, that guardian always needs to be seeking out a successor…
Has anyone else thought that Hurley’s comment to Richard at the end of Ab Atterno about the one other thing his wife said, should maybe not be taken at face value? I don’t want to go so far as to say that Hurley is lying, but I got the feeling that he was a little bit guilty about something. We know that Hurley doesn’t like to lie (as evidenced in last season’s episode “The Lie.”) but it seems like Hurley is also following Jacobs instructions without question. Remember, he lied to Jack, as Jacob told him to do, in order to get him to go to the lighthouse.
So let me run this idea by you. Perhaps that message wasn’t from Isabella, perhaps it was from Jacob. Jacob, knowing that Richard is pretty ticked off at him at the moment and probably wouldn’t follow his directions at this point, may have told Hurley to tell Richard that the message was from Isabella so he would take action.
To me, there has to be a reason that we didn’t actually hear Isabella give that message, as we heard her give all the other things. Plus, as I said… to me, Hurley looked just a tad bit guilty.
@ Carol from Boston: boy do I hear you on that one! When reading the book, I opened up my mind to what he is putting out there and it is blowing me away. My 12 year old daughter took the book to school with her for study hall and I feel lost (lol)! I read your posts all the time and consider you one of the wise ones on here so I know you will love this book! All of the extra homework I am doing is just making this final season better and better.
I have been thinking that Locke has not been Locke all the way since it was revealed that he was the MIB. Going back and watching earlier ep’s, etc is making me think it more and more. I really think that in Season 1 the real Locke had memories or unconscious thoughts of being MIB just as MIB is now spouting out Locke`esque statements and memories. I keep going back to Faraday saying that the island is like a record. And Jacob’s statement that it only ends once. I feel like Jacob knows how it ends and is doing everything to make it end that way where as MIB also knows and is doing everything to change it like finding the loophole, etc.
@ Coolpeace ~~ Sadly that link did not bypass ITunes, but thanx for thinking of me!
@ Carol, I so agree that we all got initially hooked on the show because of the character build-up. Right away I was drawn to feisty Kate, and stormy Sawyer, and pouty Charlie (I mean Jack) from Party of Five, and lovable Hurley, and anguished Sayid, and sanguine Sun dealing with uptight Jin, and remote Locke, and pregnant Claire, and detoxing Charlie, and Boone having to deal with bratty Shannon, etc. etc. etc.
We already cared about these stranded folks, and rooted for them as the mysterious occurences and mythology were introduced…
…and distraught Michael dealing with orphaned Walt
I hope the next episode is about Desmond… I haven’t read everything that has been written, so this may be a repeat of things already said. I’m still hoping that we see the scene that Desmond saw back in season 3 – Claire leaving on a helicopter with Aaron. All other Desmond visions appeared to have come true. I know some people have noted that he may be “special” because he can jump in time – however, didn’t he lose this ability when he found his “constant”? Nevertheless, I’m still hoping that his prophecy is somehow incorporated into this final season; without it, it can be argued that Charlie died in vain.
Laura in NY you are right.
I’ve stopped watching the show because listening to your Podcast is infinitely more fun (and less violent). Thank you for the fantastic, amusing, friendly show. I absolutely love it. Thanks, NYTimes, for turning me on to you!