Not sure if this post will actually be read here, we’ll see.

@Mattfromnd- If we get answers but more questions too we could talk more about the series.

@YAE – I don’t use facebook much but I think I will join the discussion there soon.

The juxtiposition of the birth of Aaron with the death of Boone… Christian articulating to his son “Commitment… it’s what makes you tick, Jack. You just have a hard time letting go.”

Sun’s steely strength is wonderful, and lastly the showdown between Jack and Locke has begun!

I love Michael Emerson too. It was weird when he appeared as Henry Gale but for season 3 on I started to love Ben Linus and Michael is amazing. I hope they do the series they want together.

An, although I think Bryan Cranston or Michael C. Hall will win, I cross my fingers for Matthew. His work in the last season was really brilliant. And hopefully Elizabeth will take the award as well.

@Greenberry- I would love to see Matthew Fox win too, I hope he does, but the competition is pretty tough.

@ Mattfromnd it’s an obsession, what can we say?

i have to admit, i haven’t been able to find the Transmission page on facebook. i’ve found the ‘Fans of the Transmission (lost podcast)’ page.

and under discussions is only SMOKE MONSTER from April.

i am sure i am missing something…or maybe its just the heat pickling my brain…but i’m not finding you guys.

thanks for any help!

i was sitting there in the heat last night turning the show over in my head again. i was watching the fan as it went round and round. for some reason it felt like a very LOST moment. cycles, circles, and things going around. maybe forever.

i think i kinda figured out that LOST is a jigsaw puzzle that still needs some work before i can see what it is supposed to be.

until then i might just keep going around and around.

anyways. as Bonita said…never dull!

FYI-found this interview while reading about ZOE. kind of made me think that her characters death was a response from the writers to the ACTRESS based on talking TOO MUCH.

probably not, but all the same…

http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2010/04/losts_sheila_kelley_on_zoes_go.html

I just posed a question on the facebook page, hopefully it made sense, my deep thoughts might not be so deep late at night.

I would like to add here that I actually liked Ana Lucia and wished her charcter had been given a longer run or at least a shot at redemption.

I’d like to direct YAE over to thetvcritic.org – Robin has a great list of remaining mysteries posted there. Don’t forget there’s a discussion board on Transmission’s Facebook page where we can continue that conversation.

It’s been a few weeks now since I’ve watched it again, but I believe that’s the way it went down.

As for the Emmys, I was sad to see Josh Holloway not nominated. Hope Matthew Fox and Terry O’Quinn win. Emerson was excellent as usual but didn’t have as much to work with this season compared to earlier years.

hey, a Lost Question. i was jolted again when i saw it the other day, but why did Michael kill Ana Lucia? besides the fact she was just a nasty person, a perfect example of a ‘bad cop’. but i don’t think that was the reason. he barely knew her. was it so he could get to Ben (Henry)? Libby was just a reaction. a very bad one, but still. if he did it to try to get something from Ben, i don’t see why he shot himself. at least not then.

http://www.tvscifi.com/content/view/63/28/

http://www.sl-lost.com/2010/07/08/lost-grabs-13-emmy-nominations-including-best-drama-series/

@Embit- It’s horrible here in MA, the humidity is high and the temps have been 95 and up. The water in my pool is 87 degrees. I have been to Florida in August and it is actually worse than this.

@Ryan – when is the best time of year to visit Hawaii? My favorite months in Boston are October and May. Fall in New England makes the whole year worthwhile.

Ok Embie, I see exactly what you are saying about Aaron, and the rest of our characters having their own “moving on” moment. But if I could play devils advocate for a moment with that thought………. if this all was really “all about Jack”, then that in itself seems to be proof that Darlton didn’t have a clue when they started how it was all going to end. They planned on killing Jack off in about the 3rd episode, right? As always, just throwing this out for discussion.

@ Ryan – That was me! Thanks!!

Well, let’s see if this works – Should be a picture with “this” post.

@ Ryan – Hmmmm, no picture yet. All signed up with the link you provided, avitar picture uploaded and everything. Any ideas? Aything else need for it to show up?

@ YAE – In the infamous words of Julliette – IT WORKED!! lol

By the way, someone asked upthread how to get a photo to show up instead of the geometric pattern in these comments. The trick is to sign up here:

http://en.gravatar.com/

Using the e-mail address you’re typing into the comment form. Smile!

But then again, I’m sure Ryan & Jenn can share a whole lot more on the subject.

- we contain within ourselves all experiences and moments of our lives
- our connections with others may be strong at one time, and absent at others
- but we are all connected
- when a person dies (Jack) his important connections are brought together to make moving on possible and complete
- when another person dies (Aaron or Kate) his or her important connections will manifest (and will not be the same as Jack’s)
- perhaps a series of moving on experiences occur, perhaps even simultaneously, when the dead soul finds those he/she connected with in different circumstances (but there is a limit to what TV can show I think, and it would be confusing for the viewers, as all we knew or cared about was his relationships with those on the island)

So, as for Aaron or Claire or Kate or Sawyer or Miles or Frank or Richard or Ben, those who survived the time of the losties, each would have his/her own moving on – and Aaron’s would include people we have never met, because we did not see his future life.

I think this is what Darlton had in mind. But perhaps I need to be readmitted to Santa Rosa.

@ Carol (and aaron r et al) re the infection. I guess I believed the infection was the seeds of darkness. But at one time I believed it was radiation sickness. At another time I thought it was an invention to convince Des to stay in the hatch. But I’m going back to the seeds of darkness. I believe this was why Dogen was afraid of what would happen if Sayid “died” or maybe almost died – he knew he would be claimed. Claire does not seem to have died in the explosion, so maybe almost died is more accurate. Going back to Rousseau’s group, it seems that her friends had been claimed by MIB, and that this was the infection she was referencing. Turning it around, the word “infection” is a good one to use in contemporary times, when we understand infectious disease and have many examples of scarey ones. In Mother’s time, they must have called it something else, but it was something associated with the island and smokey, I think. And I think it was a longstanding problem on the island. Possible still would be in the time of Hurley and Ben.

@ LReene 6:31 am – lol, good one!

The good thing is that talking to YAE I haven’t felt the emptiness I always feel when a series I like ends.

If Darlton wanted to, I am sure there could be a series around Kate, Sawyer, Richard, Miles, Clare, Lapidus. I like to think that Kate found peace in helping Clare heal and become a mother again to Aaron. Perhaps she and Sawyer found a 2nd love that was separate and different (as second loves can be) from their relationships with Juliet and Jack. I saw the post about Miles and Sawyer having a cop-show followup, but I don’t think the sideways world was about how their lives continued–it was an “ideal” construct, or just a bizarro world where relationships were perhaps healed from the situations that led them to feel/be lost when they boarded flight 816. Sun and Jin being lovers (and she being a bolder, equal partner–unbuttoning her blouse, not being told to “button up”) again, a better emotional scenario. Remember, her plan was to leave him during the trip. So, yes, time can be rolled back to when the Ajira flight returned the survivors to civilization, to see how they lived the rest of their lives. We ALL die eventually. And perhaps one day, so will our interest in Lost.

We’ve come up with an idea to make EVERYONE happy (except maybe Damon & Carlton that is). We’re going to start writing and producing a NEW show for TV and it is going to be named ………. Are you ready for this?……….. FOUND!

While it will be all about what happened to our Losties after they walked through the door of the church and “moved on”, much of the series will delve into the lives of the characters after LOST through flashbacks, and explain how they created the sideways world for themselves in the afterlife that we all saw.

No doubt we will be doing some time traveling, and through it explore more of the mythology and secrets of the island. We will consult with Eloise and Daniel during “his” time traveling days, and also probably Charles Widmore. Oh, we are also considering having Desmond be sort of a narrator. Since he is the one that “the rules don’t apply to”, it might be the perfect job for him. Anyone like the idea of letting the “whisperers” actually help out this time around?

Sound kewl? Hurley and I are EXCITED!! And we already decided that if Damon and/or Carlton come calling and want a job, we are going to tell them “No dice bud! You had YOUR chance and blew it” And besides, YOU said LOST was finished, for good! na na na na naaa naaaaa

Hurley is frantically writing so I will keep you all posted on his progress

[sent from santa-rosa mental hospital]
[where life is beautiful ALL the time]

Penny 1 – I think another reason that a lot of LOST fans are upset, is the fact that Damon & Carlton, through interviews, podcasts, and promotional material, led us to believe that they had this grand master plan in mind for the show right from the start that would all be revealed by the end. I believe that somewhere towards the end they even said that Adam & Eve was proof of all that (wasn’t much proof to a lot of people but…….). Anyway, with all of the story lines, mysteries, and island lore that didn’t get answered, it really does make it look like they were just winging it all the way through, and never really did have ANY kind of plan. It wasn’t an issue of time, because they are the one’s who set the timeline. And it wasn’t an issue of story telling, because we all know that they could tell an EXCELLENT story. So it leaves the mystery and lore buffs feeling like all of the things of that nature were just fill, something to keep you coming back, with no intention of fulfillment.

Penny 2 – And this is probably the hard one to explain. Too many unanswered questions. Too many unanswered mysteries. Too many threads of island lore left hanging. But LOST is done and there can be no more.

Ok, so I have read a lot of posts that advocate the premise of Darlton purposely leaving a lot of things unanswered so that we could draw our own conclusions from our own interpretations. For me (and I know for a lot of others), this just doesn’t work with this show. Now I have read a lot of good books that do just that. One author that comes to mind is John Grisham. Typically his books are very good at leaving a person more or less hanging at the end and having to draw their own conclusion as to what was going to happen (and sometimes what did happen). For the most part though, the intricate story lines he creates throughout his novels and the characters back stories he weaves together to make a person become invested in the character, have some kind of resolution up to the point of the ending. In the case of LOST, we KNOW what happened at the end. They all died and moved on so there can be no more conjecture.

Oh we could guess at Sawyers life after he got back from the island and if he went back to conning people for a living. Or we could wonder if Kate’s nature to run followed her the rest of her life. And as one poster on another blog put it, can we even consider what sort of a shattered life Aaron must have had that the day he was born was the best part of his life, so that he went back to that state after death to “move on”? But none of this makes any difference anyway, because Damon & Carlton have more or less told us after they died they were all happy. End of story! As I think I said in one of the first posts I made on the subject, to me that is what I would expect. It was a “Feel Good” ending, with nothing to back it up.

We saw Jack die. His story line of dying as a hero is closed and I can accept that. We saw Charlie, Libby, and several others die in previous episodes and I can accept their endings with no reservations also. But what about everyone else? What happened to Sawyer? What happened to Kate. What happened to the now aging Richard Alpert after he left the island? And Desmond and all the others (and the “other Others”). We can’t even guess on their lives and what may have become of them, because at the end of LOST, they were all dead. Damon & Carlton told us so, end of story.

And THAT is the reason I for one am frustrated with how LOST ended. Too many unanswered questions. Too many unanswered mysteries. Too many threads of island lore left hanging. But everyone is dead and LOST is done.

Does ANY of this make any sense? (I know what I am thinking here, just not sure if I am conveying any of it. Lol).

Yes, this DEFINITELY was;
[sent from santa-rosa mental hospital]
[where life is beautiful all the time]

and the infection? it seems to be gone by the time our friends show up, but Island people remember. remember Dogen talking about the ‘darkness’ inside Sayid? and Nathan injecting Claire to protect the aaron?

So what is up with the infection? On one hand it seemed to hit Rouseau’s friends, but maybe they were being maniuplated as well? Was there ever an infection? And how would have Sayid’s death really hurt the temple people? I still have no respect for the temple people and their attitude towards killing anyone that doesn’t serve their purpose.

@ aaron r-i am not a darlton hater. i was disappointed by things. but i have always loved the THUD moments of LOST. at least once an episode i usually would just be floored by something that happened. a good episode had a few of those in them.

@ LReene- thanks for such a great post about the issues with what wasnt on the table. i absolutely agree that the lack of adequate time seemed an issue, and that Darlton were responsible for that.

it seems like they couldn’t break the mold of their own story telling but were tied to keep telling LOST in the fashion they had. namely, with always stacking questions on top of other questions.

if i may reference Babylon 5 for a moment, and i am an unabashed believer in that show, there was a structural way to go about doing a MYSTERY show. that required paying off the mysteries each season. sure there was an overall build up of themes & issues, but the mystery elements began to fall away & become CHARACTER stories.

while we were kind of told this is what happened, and that it was now all about the characters, i don’t know if i fully saw that ‘truth’. what we had was a story that was structured with a late reveal that would surprise the audience at THE END of each sequence/story/season. and it seems that the end of the story was a victim of needing to mask itself in another setup.

anyways LReene, i’m happy you put your thoughts out here. and greenberry too.

It is curious that they would choose to open so many cans of worms and leave a lot of them hanging ~ I liked the explanation that they bit off more than they could chew or got lazy or somehow rushed for time because they didn’t plan properly ~~ but the stuff we GOT always kept me intrigued and there were many gems of truths (relationships matter; love is about helping someone mature and be their best self; both ‘good’ and ‘evil’ are not always what they seem), which I super appreciated

First, I tried to keep from having any preconceived ideas on how the show would end. Regardless of who it was that said they felt the people that would be disappointed with the ending would be those who’s idea didn’t match what happened, I was determined not to be one of them. And in all honesty, I think my resolve in that respect paid off. I really didn’t have any idea how the show would end. And I guess I could very easily accept the “Jack dying”, the “afterlife as the SW world”, and the rest of the show’s ending…… IF more of the things that were a major part of the show had been resolved.

But there in lies the reason that “I” personally am upset with Damon & Carlton. In my estimation, there were just WAY too many plot lines of the show that we all were made to think were important, that were never resolved. And while I know it’s hard to differentiate sometimes between minor points that were trivial to the show not getting answered, and major themes not being resolved, I think when we are hammered over the head for an entire season with something, THAT should be something that should be resolved. I won’t go into a bunch of details here because I think we all know what these plot lines were (in a lot of cases we discussed them and pondered over them right here on this forum), but there were a lot of things that should have, and COULD have been explained so the people who were invested in the mysteries wouldn’t have felt so cheated.

Along with this, I think a lot of people’s frustration also stems from the last few interviews that Damon & Carlton did prior to the finale. One interview in particular, they seemed to take the attitude that the fans of the show could “go suck an egg” (a more polite way of saying it than a couple of the blogs I read), they were only going to answer the questions and plot points that they wanted to answer. If the fans of the show didn’t like it, too bad. I think that kind of an attitude after all of the support the fans gave them REALLY fueled the “upset with Darlton” crowd. I know it did me.

Another point (and then I’ll shut up again), is the fact that there should have been absolutely NO shortage of time to answer any and ALL the plot points and questions that were generated through the 6 seasons. It was Damon & Carlton who negotiated the ending. They KNEW when the ending was going to be way back before they even started developing some of the latest questions that were left hanging. So in other words, peope are feeling that if you’re not going to answer the question, don’t raise it. The shortened seasons along with the LONG hiatus also fuels this fire. If Season 5 and Season 6 would have both been the normal 22 or 23 episodes, there would have been more than ample time to resolve all the plot points, answer all the questions, and probably pleased almost every last person who ever watched LOST from beginning to end.

So again, a lot of this I know I’ve said before. But since the topic still seems to be cropping up, and the questions about why some are still so upset with Damon & Carlton keep surfacing, well, I thought I would address how and why I feel the way I do one more time.

As I said, I still love the show. I will still participate in the LOST University, rewatches, etc., and I will still say that LOST was the best show ever put on TV. But would I have felt a whole lot better about it if things we were led to believe were important would have been “wrapped up” instead of left hanging, you bet.

Again, just my 2 cents worth. But now the Tigers have won again, so I am going to call it a night. We’ll see what tomorrow brings

@YAE – the people that are upset with Damon and Carlton – is it because you were told one thing but then given somethinge else? I get that. I do feel we were deliberately misled sometimes. I specifically remember a podcast where they were doing word association with certain characters and saying whether they were good or bad. I remember at that time they said Jacob was bad. So I felt that must mean that MIB was really good and Jacob was fooling everyone.

No matter how much I vent. No matter how much I complain about not liking the way LOST ended or all the unanswered questions. And no matter how much I would like to grab both Damon and Carlton by the shoulders and shake the living sh*t out of them. In over 55 years of watching television (yeah, I’m giving away my age here), I still think LOST was the greatest show I’ve ever watched.

I’m still looking forward to receiving my complete series on Blu-Ray so I can see what has been held back from us. I’m still looking forward to rewatching all of the episodes. And I’m still looking forward to receiving my “Masters in LOST Studies” from LOST University come August.

And who knows, by the time I am done with all that, I might even say I “absolutely LOVED” the ending :^)

I loved my LOST experience too!! Other shows are incredibly well-written and acted (Mad Men; Breaking Bad; Dexter; True Blood) and I enjoy all those a lot ~~ but LOST was special: there was so much to delve into and think about ~ Like Mad Men, the psychology is great, getting glimpses into people’s psyches and motivations and choices… but being on a mysterious gorgeous island where the characters have to be so interconnected 24/7 and have so much to fear and deal with and have to rely on each other so heavily ~ it truly was ALL-absorbing

well, i just signed up on Facebook. sheesh. how do i find the Lost conversation that i keep hearing about?

but i like that they tried even if they came up short.

i dont think anyone can argue with the first 4 or 5 seasons being simply amazing. those seasons are probably the reason we’re all here. maybe the last season fell down. i dont think only having 16 episodes helped them any.

whether we’re discussing GOD & the DEVIL we’re certainly talking nature, and the nature of humanity.

we’re getting really close to actually saying “God” and “Devil” aren’t we?

and i certainly found the final conflict coming down to GOOD Jack VS. BAD MIB a little too easy & simple.

@yann-i wouldnt say Kentucky is the deep south(no offense carol). it has a rich heritage, diverse climate, lovely smokey mountains, and is the home state of Hunter S. Thompson & Johnny Depp. it has really beautiful cities & natural scenery, and if you’re going to a university town, you’ll probably love the mix of mellow southern style, with the modern hipster coffee house trends. ive got friend there and have always loved my visits.

@carol-i really appreciate your perspective in rewatching to find the things you’ve liked and the things that have been constructed. i have been trying to do that myself, and not focus on the missed threads/opportunities.

@aaron r- i hope this doesn’t end any time soon.

@yann (lrene, embie, aaron r, greenberyy)-i have to say i agree with you on the disappointment. i have been very busy trying to find my own way to answers i am satisfied with, and ways to see the ending. i definitely filled a few posts with my disappointments.

as to WALT, do you think the idea that the timeline continued, and walt could still be relevant to the Island is in any way interesting? or do you feel you were duped?

i for one would have loved if the rumor were true that a scene of Walt & Jack had been shot from when walt was still young. to me that would have showed the foresight the writers touted about themselves.

and while we’re on that subject, adam & eve were both appropriate in terms of the story they decided to tell in season 6, and completely useless in terms of what they were laying out in season 1 when we found them.

that right there was a flag to me going into the series finale that things might not be so smooth or satisfying.

@ Carol from Boston – This of course still goes for you too! Have you ever dove in to your Blu-Ray project?

@ Yann – Yeah, a TON of useless stuff. I guess thats what bugs me the most. Oh well, I’ll get over it (in 100 years or so hehehe).

@Yann and Lyle- with the amount of time and thinking you guys put into this show I can totally understand why you would be upset. Probably a lot of the inconsistencies go over my head because I didn’t get into as much detail as you.

Don’t get me wrong, if I start thinking it through I get irritated but I try not to do that to myself. I try to see the positive when I really love something. As much I enjoyed the show, like Embie, I like a little mystery.

@yann – who is to say that MIB was the first smoke monster. It seemed as if “mother” knew that danger and consequences lurked there if you went into the light. There could have been smokeys all through time and there was always a protector there to defeat it.

I came to this blog in the first place to try and make sense of the sci-fi or mythological aspects of LOST ~ I do thank YAE for your keen observations and analysis ~ for me, it was only always about the characters and how they coped with their pasts, their NOW and their future, but the rest was/is fascinating and I like following along the various discussions

@ Yann ~ it is great to hear your intelligent voice again! Have you joined the Facebook Transmission Page? There is a topic in the Discussions section (which Bonita spearheaded) about ‘nagging questions’ ~ one being why Juliet was branded by the Others ~~

Kentucky sounds very rural, Daniel Boone, Davy Crockett ~ haven’t been there since visiting as a kid ~ lots of WOODS ~~ is there a good job waiting for you there?

I am just north of Seattle (Vancouver, Canada) for anyone who comes my way… our summer weather is always moderate, very few days of heat wave

When people start discussing Blu-Ray vs DVD, the example/analogy I usually use is pretty simple and goes like this.

When my oldest son was around 10 yrs old, our family took a little mini-vacation up to the locks at Sault St. Marie, MI. For better than 2 hours we stood in the viewing area of the locks watching the ships move through them, discussing the names of the various boats, the size of them, where they were probably heading for on the Great Lakes, etc. Finally my oldest son very indignantly said “Ok, so just how do you know the names of these boats”. We told him that the name was right on the bow of the ship, just a little ways down from the railing. He looked at my wife and I and said “You mean where that black line is at?” What we were seeing as letters which spelled out the name of the boat, he was seeing only as a solid black line. We found out he needed glasses.

That’s really like the difference between Blu-Ray and DVD. With DVD, it might look good, but the resolution just is not there to support seeing everything that is available. While I could go into a lot of technical details to explain the difference, the example above really explains it in a non-technical way much better than all the specifications in the world.

I have never purchased a single DVD, let alone an entire series package, but I’m planning to get the whole thing when it is available. I remember some discussion about Blu-ray vs DVD and i’d like to know what is all the fuss about blu-Ray. My husband wanted to add a Blu-Ray player but it’s a lot of rewiring and since I have to do that I’m interested in whether you all think it’s worth it.

And @ Yann also – I like that the mysteries have not been “solved” and the questions “answered” – I completely appreciate that investing lots of time in plot lines and getting no answers to questions such as what was Walt about, how do the electromagnetic fields allow time travel, why or how does the island havehealing powers, how could Des predict something that did not come to pass, etc. is frustrating. But I’d like to continue thinking about the mysteries. Now maybe some of you are way ahead of me on this, but let’s think about:
(1) the Tawaret statue and the Egyptians – the island being found and recognized as special by them.
(2) the job of Protector of the Island – how far does that go back? Who was there before “mother?”
(3) the connection to tapestries, weaving, spiders, mother’s weird web-like hair ornament.
(4) who built the pool in the cave of light?

And then I have lots of questions about Widmore, whose side he was on besides his own, and the missing history there.

@ Carol from Boston – Thanks once again for staying on the positive side of the ending discussion. It may not convince those of us who “want to believe” but just can’t, but it does help.

As I’ve mentioned before, I was one like Yann, watched all the extra bonus material. Participated in all the ARG stuff. And read & investigated every last plot line and twist Darlton threw at us. As my Lostaholic confession many posts back indicated, I was totally caught up in what I considered to be the greatest show that had ever been on Television. But I guess maybe we really weren’t supposed to do that. We were just supposed to watch the episode, say “gee that was cool”, and turn our minds off until the next one. We weren’t supposed to think about the plot lines. We weren’t supposed to focus on all the mysteries of the island, the dharma initiative, or the super-natural forces at work. And I guess we also weren’t really supposed to have purchased all of the DVDs with all the behind the scenes footage and extras that were focused not on the characters, but on the island and the mysteries. We evidently were only supposed to focus on the characters and fall in love with their broken past lives which wouldn’t have meant a thing or carried a network show even 1/2 of a season if it weren’t for everything else. Ewwwwww! I just really get mad all over again each time I think about the duping Darlton layed upon us.

As always, sorry for the rant again. I think I better go and mow my grass in the 90 degree heat now and cool my brain off again. lol

I don’t believe the writers had it all thought out at the end of season 4 what would happen with season 5. Damon and Carlton usually hold a “writer’s camp” after the season is over to set up the next season. You make some pretty good points about Jack taking plane rides yet also telling Locke that Locke was full of crap and he didn’t want to go back.

Walt is going to be addressed in the season 6 extras, so maybe your questions will be answered. I think you have to cut them some slack with Walt since they basically had to throw that whole storyline out the window when Walt aged so quickly.

I happen to think the whole Jacob part was an afterthought that was added in when they got their end date and started really thinking about what the island was. For me the first 5 seasons didn’t really set up the season 5 finale with Jacob and MIB. Yes we had heard of Jacob but I always felt he was a cult-type leader that perhaps was even an invention of Ben’s. Had they started with Jacob and MIB in Season 1, I might not have kept watching. I was not a fan of that. I can live with the sideways world a lot better than living with all of it being manipulations by Jacob to prove a point and find a replacement.

I myself, have tried to let go of the inconsistencies because I really don’t think the writers planned it all out in extreme detail, so there will be errors. I enjoyed the show, enjoyed the part it played in my life, and enjoyed the friends I have made through the show. I think if I am going to look for problems during the rewatch, I will find many, but if instead, I choose to look for the good, I’ll enjoy it a lot more. I have not put the time into it that you have Yann, I haven’t watched a lot of the extras yet (still keeping them for when I need a new Lost fix) and I never did the ARG’s. I can certainly understand your disappointment, you put a lot into this show.

re: Kentucky I haven’t visited it, I am from the East Coast which is a different culture from the deep South. I would love to go there though, it looks beautiful. Now that my kids are older I really want to travel more throughout the states.

Thanx for the discussion ~ I like following along with your analysis ~

Sometimes I feel like Tevia in ‘Fiddler on the Roof’ when he came into the public square where men were discussing their theories and said “you’re right” to the Rabbi, as well as to another scholar, and when challenged by a third man that they could not BOTH be right, he answered “You’re ALSO right!”

i have become interested in Twin Peaks as a result of this series & am thinking about delving into that. my understanding is that the first season raised so many interesting ideas that it never was able to support on the tail end. anyone a fan of that show? any advice/opinions?

that we saw a personification of the dark side of the ‘force’ with MIB and i suppose JACK/HURLEY?JACOB as the light side of the force seems consistent in narrative story telling.

its a bit like Lord of the Rings in which evil is without shape, slowly seeking a way back to form itself.

and i wonder what the impact would have been if Titus Weliver had played MIB for all of season 6? i love terry o’quinn, but wonder what that would have been like to see someone else in that role.

i agree that the Producers gave us enough rope to hang ourselves with in terms of theorizing & expectations. and its interesting how they structured everything to hold the cards so close to the vest until literally the very end.

so MIB is the black smoke & everything ODD that happened on the island. well, what the **** was the Hurley-Bird?

i kinda forgot about those scenes until my spotting refresh/rewatch.

it fit with the idea of ANIMISM that was referenced on the show. the idea of totem animals & conscousness in all things, animals, rocks, plants…black smoke. its interesting as an idea, and maybe never needed to be defined/tied together.

again, i think its one of those things where our own ideas & conclusions would likely be stronger & more interesting then the reveal.

How do you become a producer with an iPhone4?

@greenberry – welcome back!

It was fun to find other LOST followers along my travels ~~ 2 out of 3 felt satisfied with the ending

@ Amaia – the Zoe person does look like Tina Fey – makes sense to call her Untina.

@ chris in seattle, aaron r – the MIB as mastermind of all events I agree is less satisfying (for me) than the idea of a magical island. That the island may have a conscious and deliberate nature is a bit of a stretch, but I’m thinking it over. Hope the fireworks are not too deafening, as Untina seems very busy and serious about showing us “what she’s got.”

@ Amaia-sorry. i dont think your post was up when i commented.

i agree MIB as the culprit does seem the most EASY suspect for all the strangeness. but that isnt the most ENJOYABLE answer for me.

as said, i like the idea of the ISLAND with its will playing a part in things. indeed, we saw jacob was just like the wizard of oz, a man with no real power, just a title.

i’m going to noodle this thought over the fireworks and come back to it.

@ aaron r-be prepared for a response.

Of couse that will give us more time for our banter back and forth, but it will also allow you to include content that we might not get otherwise. Three thumbs up!!

(BTW, YAE, I’m a born and bred New Yorker who TEMPORARILY relocated to raise my family so no Jersey jokes!) (Not that I’ve heard any from this very well-behaved group of lunatics.)

So R, J, when can you relieve my pain?

its not that i don’t think the whispers can be the dead that are bound to that place. its more in attributing anything odd to MIB. that would just remove a lot of the mystery & intrigue that surrounded the Island. So if i want to blame anyone for the oddness it would be THE ISLAND.

I still feel that was the most underserved character in season 6. we heard so much about the island for so long. and yet in the end we were shown jacob & his brothers story.

which in some ways i like. leaving the islands true mysteries out there. but in other ways it seems a bit of a bait and switch. though, as i’ve said before, se la ve. and also as i’ve said before, its okay. i’m over it.

clearly, being here weeks later i feel myself like one of the whispers.

@Aaron- Have a great holiday too. I’ll work until August and then, a month off.

@Chris- Maybe, it’s strange sometimes to think that Smokey could have done almost everything, but it is the simplest explanation. A black horse, Boone, Walt, Christian (we know he was the MIB), Harper, Isabella and even the black wild boar which attacked Richard appeared misteriously. If they weren’t Smokey, I can’t think of anything else.

@Embie- I hope that woman called Zoe doesn’t look like Tina Fey

I’ll be right here if you think of anything. I’m in Michigan so am about 3 hrs. ahead of you in time, but …………… (That’s right, there IS no time here) Oh, and thanks for the heads-up on the rumors. That would be kewl!

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btw @YAE i live in L.A. and my roomie is in this business that we call ‘show.’ there are a few different rumors floating around about treatments being written for the Sawyer and Miles cop show. just sharing.

As for us being the only one’s here, it wouldn’t surprise me any. I think Carol from Boston, Embie, and some others all took off this afternoon. I saw Sawyer hotwiring one of the Santa-Rosa vans earlier today and Carol did say something about going to the beach if a van could be commandeered.

Oh well, dave finally brought back my remote so I’m just going to kick back and watch some episodes of LOST. If everyone else goes to bed, I might even sneak in an inning or two of the Detroit Tigers.

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are we the only ones here this afternoon?

Of course look at where I’m at for thinking stuff like this

And those pesky visitors keep showing up on my laptop. Sheeesh!

http://s862.photobucket.com/albums/ab185/lreene/LOST/visitors.gif

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and chris in seattle, i think most of us just can’t turn it off! i know i can’t. i’ve conciously decided -TWICE – to leave Lost behind and move on. but here i am…
what do you think. who else would you like to blame for some of the weirdness?

Sure, maybe that complete’s the plot thread having him be Wet Walt, & Harper, and anyone from the past. And it is amazing how good everyone is here at building a cohesive structure to what we’ve seen. But I personally would rather not believe that the MONSTER did it all.

There are just too many strange and amazing possibilities raised to lock it down to one motive or character. (no pun intended there) At least for me.

(Though I love the details everyone is cracking!)

@ Chris, LReene, Amaia, aaron r – the whispers are just very unexplained. The more we discuss them, the more ideas we seem to come up with. As for accessing the potential darkness in Sayid via Shannon dying at the hand of Ana Lucia, that is one twisted idea but the idea of MIB claiming people (or planting seeds of darkness) for future use seems very consistent with what we know of MIB.

As for Sawyer hotwiring the van, well that sure sounds like fun!

Also, in honor of the July 4th holiday, I heard there’re gonna be fireworks at the beach; I never heard of flaming arrows, but okay. And this very serious grim looking woman named Zoe says she’ll show us what she’s got too. I’m a little worried cause she doesn’t seem nice.

I guess I’d like to think that those people who apeared (Walt to Shannon, Boone to Locke, Harper to Juliet, Isabela to Richard) were a manifestation of the MIB. His purpose was to kill Jacob, in the end his goal was to kill everybody and leave the Island so like I said, he manipulated a lot of people, Ben in first place, to get what he wanted. That could be a good explanation to all those appearances. My rewatch will bring some light to all the things I believe I can figure out myself.

And yes, for sure rain is a sign of trouble.

what i find more interesting is that when michael ‘reveals’ what the whispers are to hurley we all sort of yawned and put it on the checklist. the point that he made of being TRAPPED and not able to MOVE ON seemed hurried & thrown away at the time.

i never would have guessed the creators were laying the framework to the ending & the FS by establishing that point so openly.

only now in retrospect does that scene stand out to being more important then just an answer to an unresolved question.

(i’m still not happy about the afterlife ending, but they were pretty open about it now that we can see the whole of season 6)

@YAE – I’ll have to read everyone’s posts again and really think about the whole whispers mystery.

I am breaking out of Santa Rosa tomorrow and going to the beach. For some reason I keep flashing back to a beach and some blue tarps and some weird logo on all the food, dharmal, dannon, dharma? For some reason I just feel I have to go back. I even bought myself a nice black backpack and backgammon game so if anyone wants to join me, meet at 8:15 am by the van. Some guy named Sawyer says he can hotwire it.

I’ve been having some STRANGE visitors every time I try to make a post and I wanted to see if anyone else could see them.

http://s862.photobucket.com/albums/ab185/lreene/LOST/visitors.gif

@Embie says: July 2, 2010 at 3:04 pm – Geeez, I guess I never thought of that. “Can’t access the web site now because there is no now”. I should have known with my nose bleeding the way it has been. OR…. these pesky visitors have had something to do with it.

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Or, your website can’t be accessed now because there’s no now here.

Also, for anyone trying to click on my name to visit my web page, I just found out my web site can’t be accessed right now. Not sure why, but have the system administrator working on it. If Dave or one of the doctors here did something to it, I’m going to be mad!!

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Really, I can’t believe that the reason for the whispers is what Michael told Hurley, UNLESS those spirits are not able to move on for reasons of their own, and not because of the rules. If you use the logic that killing and betraying is the reason for Michael’s entrapment, then how does Juliet get to end up with Sawyer and not herself be trapped on the island after killing Pickett and betraying the others? When Ben on Ajira 316 says “so?” (or whatever he says when Jack asks him what about the other people on board, won’t they be harmed or die) that’s really not different from Juliet’s calculated indifference to Pickett and the others with whom she lived.

@Embie- Well, I doubt now about one thing. People must be dead for Smokey to take their body. We don’t know if Harper was death or not but could Smokey change from the MIB, to Christian, to Harper and back to Christian, for example? And only to manipulate. But it must be that, Harper sent Juliet to stop Dan and Charlotte and what they were doing was trying to disconnect the thing wit the gas so maybe there’s the answer. And sure Ben didn’t now anyhting about all that.

@ LReene and Carol – my husband just asked me if I was still lost, and said I should stay lost – it would be best for everybody – then he started talking about free will and determinism. He was holding two stones, one white and one black. Meds, please!

As for Claudia, just wait until Carol from Boston gets here. We’ll take care of her!

Fire drills…… what fire drills? Once they give me my meds, I don’t hear anything.

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I agree with what you said about Harper.

BTW the Jay and Jack rewatch starts when the new DVD comes out, and we are always here if a certain Ryan or Jen wants to do a Popspotting podcast about the new DVD set and the extras.

@Lyle – Damon and Carlton said the whispers would be explained, so I think that is the real explanation.

I think harper was a grounded spirit as she was giving messages from Ben. Wow that Ben is some guy, he can even manipulate the dead.

Personally I don’t think that those doing the whispering are lost souls trapped on the Island like Michael told Hurley they were. I took the time a while back and printed out the transcripts and to me, what they are saying just does not fit as being trapped lost souls. It is more like “Observers in a game”, and some even want to help out.

Along with this, in a couple of the interviews Darlton did just prior to the finale, they told everyone to question anything that was “told” but not shown. I guess I lump Michael’s brief explanation of the Whispers into this being “told”, and think they were actually something else. What, I’m not exactly sure. But maybe we’ll find out when the DVDs come out.

As always, just my 2 pennies worth.

@ Carol from Boston – You mentioned I should run if I smelled smoke? Is this new guy in the black shirt the reason all the smoke detectors in the place keep going off?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9S_iJe4lZU The scene is here 5:10 more ore less.

@ LReene – Oh and I was so psyched for our trip! Why did Eloise let Hurley have a van first? Some guy named Ben said that Hurley is “special” and that he (Ben) and the rest of us are not. Ouch! It was really hard to hear that.

Its great to hear you’re going to COMIC-CON! I for one am glad there is something to look forward to still with Lost & The Transmission.

@ Bonita- Nothing yet about Stephen King on Lost. But, heres his write up of thoughts on the ending of HP.

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20044270_20044274_20050689,00.html

Here’s what he thought before the end of HP too.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2006/aug/02/harrypotter.shopping

here is the link : http://www.jayandjack.com/

@ YAE : Bonita, we certainly could open a new discussion topic for each episode or for several depending on what is decided.

@ Ryan : Yes – does that mean we get Comic Con coverage like last year?

@ Chris in Seattle : I did a very quick search but did not find anything re King’s reaction to the finale. If you find something, please post it.

Oh, and you know it’s not fair that you get to put “your” picture in your post while the rest of us just get little colored doilies hahahaha. Care to let us in on the secret? Would be fun to see what we all look like without having to go to Facebook.

@ Embie – Already asked Libby if she wanted to play Connect Four but Hurley wouldn’t let her. Said something about they were going on a picnic. Don’t know how they rate to get a van before us, but I’ll bet that Eloise has something to do with it.

Not sure what to make of the new guy in the black shirt. He seems rather odd. He keeps running around turning all the lights out and pulling the corks out of all the drains. I almost didn’t get a bath last night because of him.

Now if I could just find out what that pesky dave did with the remote so I can turn the TV back on. If I miss a re-watch, I’m going to really be P.O.’d.

Dave……. DAVE……… Where are you Dave?????

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@ LReene – van will depart “when it’s time.” I’ve been advised Eloise will let us know. Sorry. I find this frustrating also. Suggest you ask Libby if she wants to play Connect Four. Alternately, there’s a new guy in a black shirt who likes to play some game with black and white stones. I’m told though that he makes up his own rules.

WE could also start our own with R&J on Facebook? I am suggesting doing an Extra’s review first maybe?

@Chris in Seattle – That’s a great question and I’d like to know, as well, please post for us if you find a review by Stephen King. I wonder if he had the same issues I did with HP’s ending?

@greenberry – Meds are working fine. OH are they working fine!!!

BTW, the field trip bus hasn’t left yet has it? This “no time, here, now” has me really confused. Not sure whether something happened or it didn’t happen. Gee, maybe LOST isn’t finished after all.

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he was a big fan of the series in the first season & argued heavily for it to END in its own time. much as with his The Dark Tower series the ending was constructed to try and create resolution/irresolution and leave minds, if not doors, open.

he was very concerned about how HARRRY POTTER ended, and has weighed in on the Twilight series.

i thought King’s Dark Tower series ended with a whimper, much as LOST did. just wonder if King felt cheated, flattered, or satisfied by season 6.

NOT that his opinion matters more then anyone else’s, but i’m just very curious based on how he ENDED his long, complex series to see his reaction.

I still think Michael was seen by the Losties as slimier than Sayid because of his betrayal for his own end… but I do feel bad for Michael that he had no one to make him feel okay about himself and help him move on like Sayid did ~~ there is still a lot more to know about those whispers too!

@Embie- There’s no need to thank me anything because I think the same of you about Michael in a way. I’m not sure Michael is trapped because he wants to be in that way, but the whispers thing is something they didn’t elaborate very much. I’m ok with the explanation but if all the whispers are souls that can’t move on, that means all of them have done bad things? What about Goodwin’s wife? She appeared with the whispering sound if I’m not wrong. What did she do? It’s incredible this series stills got me theorising

@greenberry- Did Sawyer have sex with Ana Lucía? Wow I ahve forgotten almost everything about second season. I didn’t like her, she was rude, and like you said, she killed Shannon so sure the losties didn’t bother too uch about her death because of that reason.