Next: “The Last Recruit” (Episode 6-13)

Not once, but twice in relatively quick succession, Unlocke observed tonight that there was a lot of catching up to do. He wasn’t kidding. “The Last Recruit” moved briskly, touched on a myriad of mysteries, and served up more explosions and twists. But the delicate balance of plot and character definitely felt askew, and along with all the forward velocity, there were moments that seemed to lose traction. At the end of last week’s episode, we felt the stage was set for the final sprint. Tonight’s tale had a lot of flash, but it still feels like we’re waiting for the big show. And with a week off before the next new episode, “The Last Recruit” definitely left us wanting more.

In the flash-sideways, the inevitable collision of our wayward survivors was aggressively accelerated. Sun makes her connection with the island world when she spots Locke on the next gurney. And Jack gets his hands on Locke’s dural sack without a consult. And by the close of our multi-faceted tour of Los Angeles, Kate, Sawyer, Miles, Sayid, Jin, Sun, Jack, Claire, Desmond, Locke, and Ben are clearly interconnected. But can they all be unified and even embark on a plan in the few hours ahead?

I did like Jack’s renewed connection with David, as well as the interplay between cop Sawyer and fugitive Kate, perhaps the strongest character moments in the episode. Seeing Ilana turn up as a lawyer the week after she was blown up on the island was fun, but It still doesn’t make up for her untimely end. Desmond’s actions are again curious, though. Why was he going to see a lawyer? At first we guessed it was just a ruse to point Claire toward Jack, drawn from post-flash omniscience. But he knew Ilana, and had an appointment. Perhaps she’s just corporation counsel for Widmore Industries?

On the island, our unified camp of survivors doesn’t last long, as Sawyer executes his plan and separates Unlocke from several of his precious candidates. It serves the Man in Black right for entrusting a key part of his plan to a con man. Of course, on “LOST,” it can’t be that simple, and after another long look at the ocean, Jack decides that his work’s not done, and jumps overboard. As soon as he returns to the island, Unlocke is there to claim him.

Is Jack “The Last Recruit”? He seems pretty set on confounding Unlocke, but he is also told twice that he’s already “with” him. Claire told Jack that his mistake was letting Unlocke speak. And after Unlocke rescues a dazed Jack from a huge explosion — reminiscent of Claire’s crossing over in New Otherton — he also tells Jack, “You’re with me, now.” I’m wondering if Unlocke is now back to square one… or if there’s a chance that Jack was really the only candidate he needed.

In terms of answers, Unlocke confirms to Jack that he had appeared as Christian Shephard soon after the crash. As with the explanation of the whispers last week, though, the answer seems to bring more questions. Was the Man In Black portraying Christian in Jacob’s cabin? (Probably.) Visiting Jack off the island? (Probably not?) Telling Locke to turn the donkey wheel? (Probably.) Talking to Sun and Frank about the DHARMA Initiative? (Probably not, since at the same time, the Man In Black was Unlocke with the Ajira crew, and supposedly “stuck” in that form.) And a few weeks ago, it seemed significant that Claire described her father and her “friend” as two separate entities. Did she just not know she was in the middle of a puppet show?

And while Unlocke’s darker nature seems even more pronounced now, I’m struck by what he told Jack: he appeared as his father to lead him to water. In retrospect, it does seem to be what the vision accomplished way back in Season 1. And Unlocke also brought water and food to Richard at the Black Rock. Of course, he wanted something from Richard, and still wants something from Jack. But I found the tiny shard of implied benevolence interesting.

Jack was trapped on the island before he even got there? Absolutely. All the Man in Black wanted to do was help them leave? I’m not sure. I think Jack is right to question why he wants them gone, and just how their continued presence is a threat.

While Sawyer was ready to write off Claire and Sayid, both seemed to get a glimmer of hope tonight. Claire’s homicidal urges toward Kate seemed to subside (again) as she was welcomed aboard the escape boat, and Sayid’s hesitation after returning to Locke suggests that talking to Desmond may have reawakened some humanity within him.

Sayid’s character is definitely an empty one now, with even Sawyer dismissing him as a zombie. We’re hoping for a tragic and sad end, or a heroic final turn, but this blank-faced moping around has got to stop. At least Hurley suggests that redemption is possible, invoking what seems to be a contractually obligated “Star Wars” reference. (A reference that pop-culture wise-ass Sawyer inexplicably doesn’t recognize.) Anakin Skywalker turned against his dark lord in a climactic battle, so perhaps Sayid will do the same.

And, yes, at long last, Sun and Jin were reunited. As we’d feared, the overextended separation and the episode’s rushed pace robbed the moment of much of its dramatic power. Actually, the portable sonic fence on the beach seemed to have been purposely situated between them as they ran toward each other, and we were half expecting there to be yet another cheesy contrivance to keep them apart one more week. Fortunately, they embraced and declared their love… but the writers let Lapitas channel David Caruso with a smirking one-liner that deflated whatever emotional power was left in the scene.

Why did Widmore call off the deal with Sawyer? Why does anyone on Team Widmore think missiles are an effective weapon against Unlocke? Where has the spirit of Jacob been all this time, and what is Unlocke’s ultimate plan? And how are we going to survive two weeks before getting our next shot at answers?

  • The conversation between Unlocke and Jack was a powerful one. When Unlocke said John Locke was stupid, and a sucker, at first I felt it was just adding insult to injury when it came to one of the most interesting and promising characters on “LOST.” But then I started to think (or hope) that they were actually setting John Locke up to be vindicated somehow. I hope so.
  • Off the island, we learn that Locke’s wheelchair actually saved his life. Jen said it reminded her of how losing his kidney saved his life when he was shot by Ben.
  • Flash-sideways Kate emphatically insists she’s innocent. And if the flash-sideways are going to ultimately suggest happier lives for our survivors, it would make sense that she is. Notice that Sawyer offers Kate an apple in the police station. A reference to Eve and the Garden of Eden? Or is it just an apple?
  • Sawyer’s observation that it’s “weird” how he and Kate ended up crossing each others paths reminded us of Jack remarking to Kate in “316” that it was “crazy” to see that they were all back together on an airplane.
  • We loved how cool Unlocke was when the first warning missile struck in the jungle. The huge explosion behind his unflinching figure called to mind the moment he blew up the submarine in Season 3.
  • Zoe’s conversation with Unlocke, in which Unlocke says he has no idea what she’s talking about, is a direct mirror of the conversation Unlocke has with Widmore over a similar situation in “The Package.”
  • Miles says his last name is Straum. So even though he’s got a good relationship with his museum-managing dad, Dr. Chang, there’s still a kink or two in that family tree.
  • Ilana’s last name is Verdanski. Couldn’t think of how that might be significant, if only in comparison to Radzinski and Minkowski.
  • Hurley says, “People are trying to kill us again.” Just like old times.
  • Sawyer gets of at least one notable nickname: Chesty. It was funny how he referred to Lapitas as a guy who looked like he stepped out of a Burt Reynold’s movie… but it was an unusually clunky line of dialogue where “the pilot” probably would have sufficed.
  • Locations: The office building where Claire, Desmond, Jack, David, and Ilana came together was Pauahi Tower in downtown Honolulu. The hospital where Sun and Jin and Jack and Locke turned up was the Rehab Hospital of the Pacific (though I think the ambulance bay and emergency entrance was Kuakini Hospital). The house where Sayid was captured by Sawyer and Miles is on Waiohinu Drive in Kahala. The “old pier” where Jack and his group boarded the Elizabeth was Coconut Island in Kaneohe Bay.

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431 Responses to “Next: “The Last Recruit” (Episode 6-13)”

  1. Embie says:

    Thinking about Ilana. I too was shocked when she blew up but even more disturbed by her seeming pissy and impatient right before that. Do we know how long she has been around to be training for this “all my life”? Is it possible that she like the candidates and Richard cannot be killed? that she vanished in the explosion and will reappear? When Jacob came to see her in the Russian hospital it seemed like they knew each other before – quite well and for a long time it seemed.

    Not this episode but previous, Hurley’s blind date with Rosalita. Do you think that was having a little fun with “Santa Rosa”, which would make Libby into Rosalita even though she said no?

  2. Ben in PA says:

    @airwin from Phila
    I’m basing the change on the fact that Ilana said that Smokey is losing his ability to change forms. I know we’ve seen him as smoke this season, but I think not since Ilana made that claim. And definitely not in the last three episodes (asides from flashbacks, obviously).

    At the very least, UnLocke’s statement to Sawyer cannot be definitively construed as a limit on his abilities. It’s perfectly reasonable in the context of the show to conjecture that UnLocke may have lied to Sawyer just to manipulate him.

  3. KK says:

    @Russell in Raleigh — re: Adam & Eve. I too have thought that the skeletons in the cave might be Jacob and his nemesis, but kept doubting it b/c of the male/female factor. I like your resolution to the conundrum in my head! 🙂

    @Carol — re: who told Locke to kill his father. I can’t remember either if it was Richard or Ben. Seems more likely it was Ben. Also, I wonder if Anthony Cooper will show up in the flashsideways, perhaps giving us a clue as to whether that was really him in the magic box…

    @ScottB in DC — re: funniest lines in the show. I’m a big fan of Charlie’s lines. When he walks up on Mr. Eko building his church, Charlie asks, “So what’s this you’re building then? A Starbucks?”

  4. ScottB in DC says:

    @ben in PA – I’m definitely in the camp that UnLocke lied to Sawyer, and also that he was not so naive as to trust Sawyer completely and was ready for him to steal the boat he sent him for. If the boat is so critical to crossing the water why send someone else for it? One person moves a lot faster than the group seems like a pretty flimsy reason. (echoed by lapidas’ line “that smoke thing moves a lot faster than we do”)

    @carol from Boston – It was Ben who was convincing Locke he’s never be anything until he dealt with his father, he’d always be a loser etc. It was Ben who said we’re leaving you’re not coming with us, we’ll leave a trail but dont bother coming unless you’re carrying the dead body of your father.

    It was Richard who then met with Locke secretly to give him Sawyer’s file, so he could get Sawyer to kill Cooper, because “Ben is taking the others in a wrong direction (paraphrasing).

    The Anthony Cooper question is a tough one – he bites Locke hard enough to make him scream when Locke removes his gag (ben calmly says I warned you – reminds me of Willy Wonka……no stop dont do that…….)

    Is there a differrence between the ghosts and visitors that can touch and physically interact with people (UnLocke in the form of John Locke beats the crap out of Richard) and the visions of people (Christian on the freighter in the office, Ben’s Mom on the other side of the sonic fence)?

    Richard’s dead wife physically touches him while he’s chained in the black rock right? But then with Hurley she doesn’t touch him! Does Hurley see the real ghost or is it Jacob as the dead wife?

    What about Walt – he’s shown up to Shannon dripping wet and talking backwards and to Locke encouraging him to get out of the dharma mass burial pit. Why the different manifestations?

    Everyone’s asking about the whispers being there or not and the clothing changes, why is this so hard for us to figure out…….should be glad about it though, it’s a really fun puzzle to try to solve

  5. gene e says:

    The thinking behind “alternate reality” grew out of the classic thought experiment involving Shrodingers cat.

    Basically, you put a cat in a completely isolated box. Add to that box a device that has a 50% chance of releasing a poisonous gas. Shut the lid.

    Now, what is the state of the cat?

    Well, you come up with an equation that addresses only the probabilities. And what are they? Alive or dead. (Just to keep it simple.)

    Now, both states reside in supposition/parallel to each other until you open the box and observe the contents. The state you see/observe/measure becomes “real”. The other state “simply ceases to be”.

    That is a simplistic summation of the science behind “alternate realities”.

    Now, questions:
    Us=non interfering observer?
    Did the lid close at the crash of flight 815?

    One can see where the ‘bleed-overs’ and peoples growing awareness of other possible outcomes can arise since everything is in such close proximity (in the box). But, how do you arrange everything the way you want before the box opens? Desmond is aware and trying, but others (Widmore/Eloise, MIB?)are too.

    In the words of Jacob, “It only ends once. (Box opens.) Everything else is progress.”

    I’m not here to fill in these blanks. I’m not here to figure it out. I’m here for Penny and Desmond. James and Juliette. Sun and Jin. Me and Kate.

    Because love don’t make no sense.

  6. greenberry says:

    @ gene e ~ cool post and as always, amusing ~ plus I’m always glad to hear that someone wants Kate around

  7. Continuing my Star Trek rewatch: Season7 one episode where Eloise Hawking is the “mother” of Data. next episode is about alternate universe correction. next episode is John Locke as Riker former captain…
    As Darlton would say: “coincidence”?

  8. gene e says:

    What I’m saying is that the results that came out of the ‘cat in a box’ thought experiment IS the science behind parallel universes. PERIOD. Or should I say earth science? Modern earth science. There is no other way as far as science goes. Current modern earth science, that is.

    Now if you want to introduce pixie dust, leprechauns, just plain ol’ Disney magic, then it ain’t science the way we know it.

    Yes, this can be taken to give some insight into the quantum world because problems do arise in the measurement of things that can’t be observered directly. That is why quantum mechanics deals in probabilities. Nothing is nailed down in the quantum. There is only the probability of something being here or there.

    So what would we have:

    Jacob sets up the experiment. The island is the box. He brings people to the island. He closes the box. A decision was made that produced one of two distinct outcomes. One reality will “cease to exist” when the box opens. The other will become ‘THE’ reality for everyone. It only ends once. It will end.

    You HAVE TO HAVE SOMEONE OUTSIDE THE TOTALLY ISOLATED BOX. No influence. No glass boxes. To observe, yes to merely observe, confines the observer to see only one reality.

    Jacob says he doesn’t interfere. Yeah right. He’s in the box. MIB? In the box.
    Everyone is in. Des, too? Des is special, you say? The “rules” don’t apply to him, you say? Interesting. While I believe that he can jump between the parallels, I’m up in the air about him being in and out of the box. Theoretically that would make Des God.

    I believe that we the audience are, so to speak, in and outside the show/box. And that when the show ends, in other words, when the box opens, we will observe “THE” reality. BUT, of course, if the writers are the best writers of the best show in television history, there will be room for… intepretation.

  9. gene e says:

    Ah, alas. That one line should say: A decision was made that produced the possibility of two distinct outcomes.

  10. Viktor from LA X says:

    Regardless of if flying the airplane off the Island is MiB’s real plan or not,
    the fact that nobody around MiB is asking any questions about this plan is insulting to viewers intelligence. The plane is not exactly some rugged crop-duster and it is not sitting on a solid runway of a major airport.
    Many of them are aware that the landing went pretty badly and that the plane must have been damaged.
    And now they also know that their opposition is camped right next to the plane. And nobody seems to be concerned that Widmore’s people can easily disable or destroy the plane any time they want.
    MiB could have as well told them that they will sail Black Rock off the Island.

  11. Laura in NY says:

    Jin saying “we’ll never be apart again” … Jin + Sun = Adam and Eve?

  12. LReene says:

    @Yann From France – In between Star Trek episodes, make sure to check out my post to you from early this morning (HST) (about 20+ posts back). Also, interesting parallels to Star Trek Season 7 you point out. Hmmmm. “Coincidence”? I think not.

  13. LReene says:

    @gene e – FYI if you weren’t aware, a couple of the LOST-U classes put considerable emphasis on the “Shrodingers cat” theory. I think that in iteself lends credence to what you are saying is along the correct line of thinking. As I said yesterday, I KNEW those classes were foretelling what was to come, just didn’t realize at the time what it was.

  14. gene e says:

    I haven’t had the pleasure of attending LU. My humble analysis came courtesy of my years spent at MTSU, where I minored in physics. And majored in PAR-TAY! Oh, YEAH!

  15. KK says:

    @LReene, @Yann, @Bonita, @Carol, @greenberry, and @anyone else interested in “Project Rewatch”:

    Yesterday there was some talk about rewatching Season 5 episodes 1 & 2 to fill our time during the show’s hiatus. Are you guys still interested? I think it would be fabulous, stimulating, and a great “filler episode(s),” and I think Ryan might be open to opening a new thread for that discussion.

    @Ryan — Is that o.k.? A possible “filler” discussion to start on Tuesday 4/27? I figure up until then, people will still be discussing The Last Recruit and podcast. (Or are there better suggestions for a date?)

    I would love feedback on this if you guys are still interested. I thought it was a great idea! 🙂

  16. LReene says:

    @KK – Yep, as I said before, I’m in! And I think the Tuesday 4/27 start date is perfect. If some can’t do their rewatch until Tuesday evening, that would be ok too. They could then just join in on the discussion Tuesday night or Wednesday as normal (or anytime thereafter).

    If Ryan could open a thread for the discussion, that would be just awesome. Don’t want to cause you extra work Ryan, but could you? PLEASE!!! 🙂

  17. Carol from boston says:

    Still in.

  18. Carol from boston says:

    @kk and scottb. Thanks for the help.

  19. Ryan says:

    Absolutely. I was going to start an open thread on Tuesday anyway, but if there’s enough interest in a specific rewatch, I’d be happy to set up a post for it. Which episode(s) were you looking at?

  20. KK says:

    @Ryan, LReene & Carol — “Because You Left” and “The Lie” combo Season 5 Episodes 1 & 2, right?

  21. greenberry says:

    @ KK ~ Yes, those are the two we discussed we would all watch, with a specific focus on Jack and Locke, their purposes, and how they will ultimately end up or line up…

    I am pleased to participate in this discussion. Rewatching Season 5 has been very illuminating in retrospect. Now after all the discussion from this last episode, it will be great to watch those two episodes again with a renewed focus.

  22. Amaia says:

    @ScottB in DC- Yeah, you’re right. It seems both Jacob and the MIB touch people in the same way but did really Smokey gave life to Richard? I don’t think he died, although he was about to. It’s clear both guys like touching people, the candidates were touched by Jacob and Smoke has tried to touch some of them as well but the only ones we have seen touched by him are Sawyer and Desmond.

    And yeah, for sure the un-Locke knew Sawyer was not going to follow his plan and I bet when Sawyer went back to the camp after his talk with Widmore, the MIB knew he was lying to him. We know Smokey scans people so I’m sure he can also do having the shape of someone only with his look.

    @Carol from Boston- I think it is impossible that Anthony Cooper was the MIB, I think Ben made someone to go to LA to find him and to take him to the island. He was testing Locke for his own reasons. The thing is that if Jacob wants to prove the MIB is wrong, why did he allow Ben to do all those bad things? Ok, Jacob doesn’t tell people what they have to do and he doesn’t interfere but is Ben was the leader of the Others just because what he did, the purge, why did Jacob permit that?

  23. Amaia says:

    @gene e- I love your theory of the box, it could fit with what we are seeing.

    @Russell in Raleigh- Wow the MIB a woman, that would be weird but cool at the same time. About Adam and Eve I don’t think they’re Rose & Bernard, I thought about Sun & Jin (she didn’t want to go with Smokey, white rock, but he was with him, black rock) or Jack & Kate.

  24. Peter Richard says:

    Just as with time travel first we had flashbacks, then Desmond’s consiousness travelled in time, then with the use of the donkey wheel and the recreation of the original flight (Ajira 316) people were able to travel through time – first we have flashsideways, then Desmond’s consiousness travels between realities, maybe if the original flight is recreated again and Smokey flies off the Island they will travel to the other reality (maybe not physically but their consiousnesses) and the original Island reality will cease to exist – as Widmore told Jin. Now Smokey is fixed in Locke’s body maybe his spirit will transfer to Locke in the LA reality and he will be free to spread malevolence – Desmond may have had some hint of this and he was trying to kill him not just make him aware. In this case Smokey would be giving Sayid what he wanted as Nadia would still be alive. Widmore may be looking for another area of electromagnetism that, like the donkey wheel for time, will allow control of travel between realities either to destroy it or use it for his own purposes.

  25. LReene says:

    @Ryan, @You All EB, – Just waking up here {Yawnnnnn}, but wanted to toss my confirm on the S5-E1&2 rewatch in one more time.

    Thanks so much Ryan!! And looking forward to tomorrow’s podcast. Hope the family is feeling better.

  26. Carol from boston says:

    @Peter – Widmore wants to control time. Interesting. So he doesn’t want to fight for the world. He really wants the island?

  27. Keith says:

    off subject, sorry, but my latest LOST artwork, this time Sun. am considering setting up an ebay page or something, does anyone reckon there’d be any interest in this sort of thing?

  28. Bonita in Atlanta says:

    Here’s to joining S5 E1/E2 rewatch! thx Ryan and You ALL Everybody

  29. greenberry says:

    Lovely sensuous drawing, Keith. You never know with art. People admire it, like it or buy it on a gut level, or as an investment.

    Please, if YAE could tell me which episode(s) refer(s) to Adam and Eve ~ I totally missed this the first time around, and it gets discussed an awful lot.

    Last night discussing with other LOST fans whether Sayid or Claire were ever dead (I know this was discussed above too), and if they were and MIB took them over can they be “redeemed” — it is still confuisng WHY Claire would walk off into the jungle and leave Aaron if she weren’t! She was hanging out with Christian a lot in the beginning – we have agreed on this board that Christian on the island is MIB or no? Can MIL be redeemed?? Some here still don’t think MIB is a bad guy or entity? Will Juliet get taken over? Ilana? Oy = my head hurts!

    Jack = Sawyer = me = protectors of Kate ~ lol

  30. greenberry says:

    So in the FSW all these dead people get to be alive: Nadia, Locke, Alex, Charlie, Ilana, Daniel, Claire? Sayid? Juliet? ~~ but the FSW is not the correct reality according to Daniel and “Dead is dead” and “What happened happened” ~~ again oy

    If YAE want a happy ending for Sawyer and Juliet, HOW does this WORK???

    Alex (MIB?) sure set up Ben to kill Jacob ~~ he’s (or she?) a savvy dude

  31. greenberry says:

    The S5 scenes with Miles and his dad (Marvin Chang?) and Mile’s realization that his dad actually DID love him are among the most touching EVER in LOST ~ a positive in going back in time

    When Juliet said “It worked,” what did that MEAN?? And what was she hoping for? Was Jack doing the ‘right thing’ by releasing Jughead? He regrets it now, yes? So why did Daniel tell him to do this, and then tell everyone they are not in the correct reality (both before AND after)? I’m just asking…..

  32. Welio says:

    I haven’t read all the post so maybe this had been point out. Regarding Hurley’s mention of Anakin to Sawyer. In season 1, Sawyer called Jin “Chewie”. I found really hard to believe that someone who knows the nickname of our favourite wookie, doesn’t know who Vather really is.

  33. Bonita in Atlanta says:

    @ Kevin, I liked the drawing, nicely done. I hope you do well, might be able to sell your work at Comicon or something doncha think?

  34. LReene says:

    @Keith – Agreed, VERY nice drawing. Good luck with your endeavor. I hope lots of people are interested.

  35. mobius in Ann Arbor says:

    just thought id point out that your podcast and vozzek picked up on illanas book but missed hurley picking up illanas bag with jacobs ashes. so well probably see that later.

  36. Carol from Boston says:

    Keith, your drawings all are great. Maybe you could research on Ebay a little and see other Lost pictures are selling. Was this done on the computer as well? It would be pretty easy to have them printed up to sell. Good luck with it.

  37. Alex from Greece says:

    I really hope that Kate ends up doing something heroic in the episodes to come. I wouldn’t like to see her becoming another damsel in distress (except if it comes with a twist, like with Juliet).

    On a less serious note, Kate looked hot on the boat. Maybe it was the wet hair. Then again, Jack looked even hotter when he came out of the sea, in front of MIB’s feet.

  38. ScottB in DC says:

    Just rewatched Through the Looking glass pts 1 and 2 – what a great pair those were – Alex this is your mother………

    Then – Hurley on the radio to Jack “I told you dude, they’re all fine – I saved them all!” Hurley running over Pickett – Sayid doing his “crazy ninja stuff” while his hands were tied – Sawyer putting a bullet square in Tom’s chest……what a sequence.

    Then Des popping out with the shark gun and Charlie drifting off peacefully – not penny’s boat.

    Interesting though, remember Locke has a gun pointed at Jack having just thrown a knife into Naomi’s back. Jack stares him down, and Locke won’t kill Jack even though he swears he will. Walt or Smokey must have told Locke that he’s not allowed to Kill the other candidates…..why else would a crazed Locke not kill Jack – with Ben in the background yelling Kill him John – Rousseau has the great elbow to Ben’s head.

    So does Locke know Jack’s a candidate – does Ben know and doesn’t care if he breaks the rules, because he knows the freighties are there on Widmore’s behalf?

    Tom remarks, this is stupid, these three killed 7 of our people, we should be putting a bullet in their heads – not three in the sand. Did Ben give instructions not to kill them because they were all 3 candidates? Does this mean Jin is the candidate?

    And coming up in a few episodes, how is it that the others have Smokey trapped under the barracks in the tunnels? Ben drains the water to release Smokey and almost on command, Smokey comes out and destroys the freighties.

  39. christine says:

    Everyone keeps mentioning that MIB can’t travel over water…but how did he get over to Hydra Island when he walked up on the beach and had that brief encounter with Widmore a couple episodes back?

  40. Amaia says:

    @Peter Richard- That’s what I exactly thought after watching “Happily Ever After”, that Des didn’t hit Locke with the car just to make him remember but to kill him because he knew the man was evil. The un-Locke threw Desmond inside the wheel and Desmond tried to kill him because Smokey took Locke’s body in that reality. Besides, Locke is the only wants who is in love in that reality, he is with Helen and the other losties are alone.

    And, about Widmore, it is probably you’re right, but his purpose could be control the world to keep his life like it is.

    @Keith- Well done with the drawing.

    @greenberry- Call me silly but I don’t believe the MIB is the bad guy. Well, he has done bad things but Jacob too. And, many of the losties or the others have done bad things on the Island to survive or to be in charge. The MIB too. If he’s bad, there are a lot of baddies in the series. I’m a fan of Smokey, I admit it. The guy is a more interesting character than Jacob.

  41. Amaia says:

    @greenberry- Is Pierre and not Marvin Chang. I think Juliet said (well, Miles told Sawyer that was her last thought) “It worked” because she saw the other reality where people was alive but Daniel en even Eloise said “whatever happened, happened” so I guess releasing jughead could change the reality forever in the future and that’ll be what we are seeing in the alternative world.

    Jack regrets having released Jughead because that caused Juliet’s death. About Daniel, he said they should release the bomb and in that way the Oceanic 815 wouldn’t crash right? But I’m sure he knew another reality would appear.

    @Alex from Greece- I have never seen Juliet as a damsel in distress, although Juliet couldn’t leave the Island because Ben didn’t allow her to, Juliet was brave since the beginning. I saw her in that way and that’s one of the reasons she’s the best female character in the series for me.

    @ScottB in DC- That’s a mysterious thing I’d love to know. I’m sure Ben knows more than it seems know. He released Smokey from where he was but who trapped the MIB there?

    @christine- He took the canoe.

  42. Aaron says:

    @christine i think he has to be in wood to travel over water, he did mention in this episode that they brought back Locke’s body “in a nice wooden box”, so there’s some kind of connection there i’m sure.

  43. Rufus says:

    Something Kate said to Sawyer in the sideways reality made me wonder something.

    “KATE: You know what I think? I think you let me go because you went to Australia, and you didn’t want anyone to know you were there. Should I tell that to the feds when they get here?”

    In season one episode 16 Outlaws, Sawyer was conned into killing Frank Duckett aka Frank Sawyer. We know that he killed the wrong guy but in the sidways reality did Sawyer have to make that choice regarding killing Duckett all over again and that’s why he didn’t want anyone to know he had been in Australia?

    Also, Sawyer met Christian Shepherd in that season one episode.

  44. greenberry says:

    @ Amaia ~ THANX for all the insight! Yes, Jughead switched things up and created an alternate reality (and the two realities now coincide in the “island box”?) It is still puzzling that Daniel said it is essential to release Jughead, but now that they are in an alternate reality in LA X, he says that they are not supposed to be in that one and regrets it… maybe because of seeing Charlotte? Maybe feeling love made him see “the truth” and now he knows that things are topsy turvy

    As far as MIB, I am being more open and waiting to see… so far I don’t like the guy/entity ~ but am not crazy about Jacob either ~~ it will be interrsting to see who can/will be redeeemd and have a positive meaningful life

  45. greenberry says:

    @ Rufus ~ I believe Christian was still alive when Sawyer met him back in Season 1

  46. Rufus says:

    @greenberry: Yes he was very much alive and in a bar that Sawyer visited before he murdered Duckett. He gave the “Red Sox” talk where he admitted that he was too weak to call Jack and tell him he was proud of him and loved him.

  47. corivee says:

    Stacey in NC, Welio, etc: I think Sawyer’s “Anakin?” comment seems right to me because Sawyer is more old school pop culture and I can see him not paying attention to the Star Wars prequels. Really, only the Star Wars fanatics (Hurley) cared about those movies. I thought it was really funny, Sawyer is too cool to know who Anakin is. He knows the original characters, Chewie, Jabba, not ep 1,2,3.

    James and Fernando, etc: I don’t think Christian’s appearance to Jack in the hospital was MIB. I think it was just a run of the mill hallucination from Jack’s PTSD and all the drinking and pills he was on post-island. Maybe it is just as simple as that.

    Rich in Cleveland: I agree with your theory that Unlock knew Sawyer would take the boat. The whole lame excuse of not traveling in one group and then when he got to the beach and said, “Sawyer took my boat.” He did not seem surprised. Maybe he intended on Claire following them too. Maybe she is the spy on the boat for Unlocke now.

    Carol from Boston: I always thought that was odd that Charlotte spoke Korean but that totally makes sense she could have learned it from Jin in the 70’s. Cool!

    Laura in NY: Maybe Christian’s wife wasn’t at the reading of the will because of the fact that some other woman was listed. She asked, “Who is Claire Littleton?” when she found the will. If it were me, I would suspect a mistress so maybe she couldn’t deal with that possibility of facing the woman.

    Airwin from Phila: I agree, something bad is in store for Sun and Jin. The way Sun screamed in terror when she saw Locke on the gurney, as Ryan and Jin commented already about, it was complete and utter fear as if he did something to them in the island, maybe he kills Jin a future episode.

  48. corivee says:

    I would like to watch season 5 ep 1&2 and discuss. Is there a place to watch them online? My husband is a Marine and just left for a while so I would love a fun distraction.

  49. LReene says:

    @corivee – You can find all the LOST episodes at Just scroll down the page aways. They have them listed in reverse order last to first, so you’ll have to “arrow to the right” a few times. They’re there though. Good luck!

  50. Carol from Boston says:

    @corivee- Makes sense about Charlotte, if she started learning it with Jin, she might want to keep it up later in life with Korean lessons. Anyway, in my mind that it is the way it happened. lol

    @greenberry, since you have been rewatching the episodes, did Miles see Claire leave with Christian and call him her father or did he “sense” it. Trying to remember, only made it through half of season 4 in my rewatch.

    BTW read the article in Wired magazine about Lost. It was really great. Agree that the whiteboard has some spoilers on it, small ones though.

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