Next: “Happily Ever After” (Episode 6-11)

After a near half-season absence, Desmond returns to the foreground this week, and not surprisingly, his story is once again a game changer. As the only person to survive a cataclysmic magnetic event, he is key to Widmore’s plan on the island. And in the flash-sideways, he gets a taste of “the truth” from Charlie, and will be the one to finally bring our wandering, disconnected survivors together. In this final chapter of “LOST,” the end game has never been in sharper focus. And yet we’re still confounded as to what happens next.

“You felt it, didn’t you?” So love is all you need… to see beyond the edges of the universe. Charlie, choking on his drugs, sees (presumably) Claire from the original timeline and realizes that nothing else matters, that nothing else is real. Desmond, after nearly drowning and getting zapped in an MRI machine, sees Penny and the birth of Charlie. Daniel falls in love at first sight with Charlotte, and he gets a brainload of quantum physics. I would guess that the intensity of premature labor and natural, maternal love is what connected Claire with the name Aaron earlier this season. And now Desmond wants to share his revelation with the rest of the passengers on Oceanic 815.

Forgetting for a moment that few people will be receptive to an invitation to have a near-death experience (breath-holding exercises? elective MRI scans?), it bears noting that not everyone in the flash-sideways world would give up their lives for the ones we know they had in the original timeline. If “redeemed dad” Jack somehow gets a glimpse of “Oceanic Six” Jack, for example, I don’t think he’ll be as convinced as Charlie and Desmond that the vision is “the truth.”

In fact, now that our flash-sideways characters are becoming aware of the original, island timeline, the question is whether the opposite will happen. Will Unlocke or Jacob show our LOSTies a glimpse of their sideways selves? Will the final sides in the war be determined by which timeline each character wants to win out?

And the fact that Desmond has a plan in the flash-sideways now suggests that the fate of our characters might not only be decided on the island. Widmore’s high-powered test tonight suggests that his final play involves another failsafe-level release of magnetic energy. But his insistence on a timeline, coupled with how things may soon unfold in the flash-sideways, make me think that something big will happen on both sides simultaneously.

Finally, Eloise. She still seems to be the most in-the-know in any timeline. Her shock at seeing Desmond, supposedly for the first time, was palpable. And the way she turned from surprisingly understanding to angry and frustrated was telling. Desmond is not ready. And for him to start asking questions is not just wrong, but a “violation.” A violation of rules? Of time and space? We shall see.

Notes and Notions:

  • “Intense” is the word of the evening. Desmond enduring the energy test was as wild as any climactic moment in “LOST,” and could easily rank as an iconic image through all of science fiction. And Desmond’s claustrophobic MRI flash scene was also powerful.
  • Seeing flashes of Charlie drowning once again still put a lump in my throat. But that’s an emotional card the writers probably can’t play much longer.
  • The contrast between Desmond’s two lives — globetrotting businessman with no attachments versus loving husband and father — could have probably been drawn a little more subtly. Why would he want Charles Widmore’s approval more than anything else in the world, if there wasn’t a Penny to motivate him? Still, the moment where Widmore let him have a sip of MacCutcheon was great.
  • On the other hand, was there something more to the fact that Desmond had no family to declare as an emergency contact? His lack of daddy issues, or even mommy issues, remains one of the biggest blank spots among our characters’ backstories.
  • The MRI machine definitely had a little bit of smoke monster in it, at least in terms of sound design. And actually, the smoke monster probably has more in common with MRI machines than you’d initially think.
  • I’m not entirely clear if sideways Daniel thinks setting off a bomb was a good idea or not, though he definitely doesn’t want to do it again. He does seem to know that Jughead did detonate, and that it was key to creating “some other life.”
  • Daniel is a Widmore, and Penny is not (if she was, indeed, the “Penny Milton” of the mysterious guest list). And the two are half-siblings, as many suspected was the case in the original timeline. Presumably Penny is still Widmore’s first daughter by another woman, but the whole family seems to be pretty even keeled.
  • Will we ever learn who Penny’s mother is? I’m not sure. I think giving her the name “Milton” is a way of saying it doesn’t matter. John Milton is the author of “Paradise Lost.”
  • I’m not sure there’s much more to George Minkowski turning up as Desmond’s driver, either. But I’m a fan of the cameos.
  • With Daniel now a musician, the number of likely suspects for the person who programmed the computer in The Looking Glass underwater station has doubled. It always seemed poetic that Charlie be somehow responsible for the “Good Vibrations” code, but Daniel works too.
  • On the island, I’m not entirely sure why Desmond went with Sayid so willingly. Maybe you just don’t want to mess with a killer with a knife? But the way he was so at peace after the energy test makes me think he’s now absolutely convinced of his importance in the universe, and simply doesn’t see Sayid (or anyone) as a threat.
  • Locations: So many! The baggage claim was at Honolulu International Airport. Widmore’s office was built inside King Kalakaua Plaza, also known as the former Niketown Honolulu building, in Waikiki. The Airport Courthouse was the State Attorney General’s Office building on Queen St. off Punchbowl St. The bar, “Jax,” was Anna Bananna’s near University Avenue. The marina where Charlie and Desmond drove into the water was the Ala Wai Yacht Harbor behind the Ilikai Hotel. The hospital where Desmond, Charlie, and Jack turned up was Hawaii Medical Center East on Liliha Street. The museum where Eloise was staging her concert was Bishop Museum. And the stadium where Desmond met Penny was Aloha Stadium.

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388 Responses to “Next: “Happily Ever After” (Episode 6-11)”

  1. Mr. Crunchy says:

    Eloise gives voice to something that’s been bugging me for awhile when she tells Desmond he is not ready. The characters are always being asked to make choices, but they have no idea what they are choosing. I think the island represents false dichotomy, false choices between stark black-and-white. The off-island reality is somewhat messier grays. In general everyone is better off, I’d say, but nobody has perfect bliss.

    Eloise is the only one who seems to know enough to make an informed/good choice. By helping with the bomb she avoids killing her son (and having to force him to study physics, a fate worse than death). She stays married and gets to plan fancy parties.

    So, neither Jacob nor MiB. Sink the island!

    (OK, if Sun dies in Altreality I’m wrong, and Rose seems better off on the island)

  2. greenberry says:

    Being LOST = not seeing “the TRUTH” ~~ attaining PURE LOVE = being FOUND

  3. JuicyNYC says:

    With all the talk of mirroring Season 1, I got excited when the passenger manifest for 815 got brought up again in Happily Ever After.

    I remember the manifest and the revelation of Ethan not being a passenger as shocking and frightening.

    Alas, that episode was the 10th in S1 and this is the 11th in S6. Close… but not an exact match.

  4. steve says:

    I’m just curious.

    Who thinks 2004 flash sideways will end up being the final reality?

    Who thinks 2007 original timeline will be the final reality?

  5. greenberry says:

    Do we have a Door #3?

    Or perhaps a more developed and actualized Sideverse…

  6. MJ in Chicago says:

    Did anyone notice the brooch on Eloise? It looks like two parallel lines with a star burst in the middle of both – maybe signalling two separate events in parallel worlds? It might be just coincidence; however, I’m getting suckered into analyzing every miniscule aspects.

  7. MRPEMSTAR says:

    X-verse Candidates

    For 5 + seasons, we have watched our hero’s on the Island (something I call I-verse)

    Now we see this “flash-sideways” (something I call X-verse).

    In “Happily ever after” we see Charlie Pace “test the waters” of being immortal in X-verse.

    Just like Jack in the I-verse with the stick of dynamyte.

    Could Charlie know (just like Jack) that holds something special? (I. E. a candidate?)

    Just who else in the X-verse could be a possible candidate?

    ~ THE Pemstar Initiative ~

  8. KK says:

    @MJ in Chicago: yes! I noticed it too… I wonder if the two starbursts (at the same point along 2 parallel lines) signify simultaneous events in both timelines… 2 events that, by happening at the same time, cause the 2 lines to converge, bringing the I-verse and X-verse together? (to use @MRPEMSTARS verbage above)

    Is that what you’re thinking?

  9. MJ in Chicago says:

    @KK – you hit it right on the head – my thoughts precisely.

  10. Russell from California says:

    it always takes me a few days to digest the Desmond-centric episodes, but here are my thoughts:

    season 2 represented a microcosm of this grand scheme that’s playing out in season 6, where desmond’s role to keep the “negative energy” contained was his destiny. he was the one with the failsafe key, who had to go down below and use it as a last resort. and miraculously, he survived the implosion.

    now, as we reach our end game, desmond will once again be the one who must descend into the bowels of the island, to the core of this electromagnetism, which will sink/implode the island and keep MIB from escaping. desmond IS the failsafe key.

    however, in doing so, he must choose to sacrifice his island timeline life (ie: Penny, his son Charlie) for the chance to reconnect the losties to the sideways world, a world governed not by violence, corruption and destruction, but by true love.

  11. docjkm says:

    HFC! What a volume of posts to get through! (But I have. Yes, yours too, everyone)
    HFC! What a fantastic episode! This episode is the litmus test for Lost viewers. If you did not appreciate this episode for the storytelling genius it is, then you ultimately will not find Lost.

    I start with reference to Butch, fellow Losties- do not so quickly dis his observation. Stephen King (a fan of the show, and inspiration for the writers/creators) has stated that a book is His, until it is released and then becomes the property of the (Constant) reader. Such is the case here as well. This show is not finished (duh) and trying to unravel it before the finish is, well, two things. First, it is a disservice to the show, but second, it is a means to find sense in what we are seeing. So, both parties are correct! For myself, I value this discussion in bringing to me things that I missed, or didn’t fully appreciate. Connections, details, etc. Before I found this, I was not fully enjoying Lost (though I was loving it nonetheless). BUT, the theories have become bothersome. I appreciate the real insight and extreme thought exercises that go into some theories here, but they will be wrong. Sorry, they will be. As such, after awhile they become so much nonsense. I fully suspect that Cuse is correct, and many posters here will have a better realized idea of what is ‘going on’ than what really is going on. However, you ain’t it, kid. I’ve been reading theories, here and elsewhere for years now, and no one has even been close. So, when Butch expresses disdain for the practice, I fully understand. Butch needs to understand that we all crave things that make sense, but y’all everybody need to understand that Lost is what it is, what we crave, because it doesn’t provide easy answers, easy villains or heroes, and has been fundamentally confusing and contrary in its mythos and storytelling all along. Analysis, and shared analysis, is FANTASTIC in this case, but theorizing is Missing the Point.

    With the certainty of being redundant, I hope Lost ends as a mystery. Yes, that’s right, I do not want answers. I want the beautifully framed questions to consider. I do not want spoon-feeding, everything to ‘work out’, or some other bow to convention. Lost is not about convention, is not dumbed down, and does make us think. Revel in that. Something worth thinking about.

    @Coolpeace – I hope that many, if not all, do appreciate the Quality that is Lost. ie I agree.

    @Mimi – I think we all know someone(s) like Eloise. Totally in the know, at least in their own minds. I see Eloise as that control freak. Explaining things to others in a manner that furthers her own ambitions. Not all knowing, but all controlling. Your example stands despite ‘time line’ critiques.

    @Carol re your ‘friends’. Lost is NOT for everyone, or even most. Tell your friends it’s not for them. If they haven’t figured that out for themselves, Nothing you tell them will suffice.

    @Mark B – If Lost spoils you on TV in the future, then it will have succeeded on what I have contended is the most important level.

    @JonY – Correct. Desmond did not have two pasts.

    @Ryan and Jen – You did this, and hats off. Realize there will be more work to do when we all know there will be no more reveals, no more ‘thuds’, no further hope of answers. We will be left to think about it, what it means to us individually, and to us the community of Lost freaks. THEN you will have your work cut out, no?

  12. Wendy from NC says:

    I had never realized before this episode that the Smoke Monster sound was the MRI machine sound too, but it so is!! As soon as Desmond went into the machine it “clicked” with me.
    I absolutely love Desmond episodes and if Widmore makes him sacrifice his life with Penny to save everything else I’ll be devastated!

  13. greenberry says:

    LOST is definitely a D/C baby, and we viewers must wait patiently to see how they have chosen for it to unfold and conclude ~~ for me, it’s ALL GOOD ~~ there is so much depth to this show compared with others — just AWESOME

    Daniel has informed Desmond that they are not in the pre-destined time/place/plan… that they are “off-course” ~ so is the X-verse out of whack and in need of correction? However, the I-verse did not end well for Daniel…

  14. Robert Jones says:

    di any1 see that in widmores office there was the scale with the white & black stones? does this prove that charles IS working 4 jacob?

  15. aaron r says:

    hi, my first time here… my first time doing this about Lost at all. i thought this week was great, things finally seem to be moving forward, but who knows to what. i’ve been following them since the first show. can’t wait to see how they pull this off. 4 shows left?

  16. aaron r says:

    i’m sorry, just another one. is anyone else enjoying the fact that they’ve STOOD in some of the places that we see? and before Lost, at that. feels cool to see a place and think “oh, yah…”

  17. DRDoug from SC says:

    Unbelievable episode. Even as I pan over all the comments and theories, I crack open my fortune cookie. It says, “Depart not from the path which fate has you assigned.” It could have been a prop in a LOST episode.

    3 weeks ago everyone is talking the spiritual theories. Last week, all the conversation is about the science. Now it about Desmond and love and much more. What will it be next week in the Hurley episode? D/C have masterminded the absolute greatest show ever on TV. The finale may keep us all up on this blog for days/weeks mulling it all over.

    Here are my thoughts/theories:

    MIB/Jacob are brothers or the same person split into 2 entities. If they are brothers, Jacob will trick MIB likely with the help of their mother on Jacob’s side. If they somehow are different manifestations of the same person similar to on island and off island losties, perhaps they will have to choose which entity lives and which one dies. Maybe the same happens collectively to the losties or individually. I suspect Desmond will make the sacrifice of his son Charlie for his friends somehow.

  18. Stefani from Mass says:

    Admit, I haven’t read all 300+ posts, but alas, I still will post…

    I’m awaiting for the Oceanic 6-plus to converge on the hospital where Jack works… that seems like a logical epicenter… however, I’m wondering how Daniel’s flashes are tying into this. And what’s up with Charlie knowing what’s gonna happen? Is Boone gonna show back up to John? Is Sayid gonna have a sideways story that includes Shannon (or is she still in Australia?) What about WAAAAAAAALT and Michael? Where are they?

    And is Hurley’s Chicken Shack still hit by an asteroid? That was classic!!!

  19. Isaac says:

    what dharma station was that? the symbol looked like a squid

  20. aaron r says:

    and ONE more! lol been reading comments and 1) if anyone is an angel, hurley gets my vote. he’s a saint in both timelines. 2) it really feels right that jack stays on the island. even jack can tell that. 3) desmond and jack seem to make a team. from the first time that they met- and isn’t that the same place desmond met penny this week? no one noticed? but they keep getting thrown together, first at the stadium, and the immediate obvious feelings that passed between them. and on the plane in the second timeline. again. hit it off right away. i’m sure there must be at least one or two more instances. 4) i guess sayid is gone. damn, i liked him, and still do. sorry, i meant to say that it feels right for jack to stay, and desmond seems to be involved, as well. no idea about jin or sun. again, i think hurley has a role, probably on the side of right. wherever that is.

  21. tvscifi says:

    @Isaac
    I believe the station with what looked like a squid was the Hydra.

  22. Rick says:

    Love the podcast!

    I haven’t had the chance to read all the entries, but here’s something I haven’t heard anyone mention (probably with good reason)…

    When Desmond asked George to get him the manifest from Oceanic 815, he made a point to say “just the passengers.”

    Does this somehow tie in with the fact that we have yet to see Frank Lapidus in the sideways timeline??

  23. Robert Jones says:

    rick, when Charlie O.D. on the plane wasnt the captain there and it was the orig one?

  24. Rick says:

    @Robert, yes it was the original pilot who was on 815 when it landed.

  25. Robert Jones says:

    rick, or any1 can u tell me what happened to Rose and all the other 815 “beachies” since the death of Frogurt during the flaming arrow incedent?

  26. Carol from Boston says:

    @Doc – The writers of this show always take this show in ways I would never think of, their imagination is amazing. I think I am getting the most fun now out of fitting pieces together from things that have happened throught the seasons. It reminds me of the last Harry Potter book where I realized how many small things she planted throughout the books were really important to the ending.

    But the mythology is also so confusing that I think we tend to theorize to better understand it in our own minds. When I was rewatching some of the early seasons and listen to some of the older podcasts I found it difficult to listen to them because most of the theories were wrong. But like I said it’s fun and we get to laugh at ourselves later if we are wrong.

    I sent my friends some links, to help them. I can’t even begin to start explaining things to them unless they want to talk in person about what is confusing them. There is a great article online with Henry Cusick about this week’s episode in TV guide online. Some small spoilers in there though. You’re right, if they don’t want to put in the time that is their problem not mine.

  27. Carol from Boston says:

    @KK – I think the broach is also a wink to the song “catch a falling star”

    @Rick – Does Desmond plan on having a Oceanic 815 party? “come to my near death experience party – realize that this is all not real” BYOC “bring your own constant”. lol

  28. JonY says:

    Yeah Carol, so Desmond is going to try and convince them all to come to his party, they’re going to have a near death experience to be able to see an alternate universe….

    Five seconds and they’re running the cops about a guy trying to start the next crazy, suicidal cult. LOL

    Cuz really, it’s not a near-death experience Charlie wanted – he wanted to die to get the love he wanted. Lucky for Des he actually got to meet Penny and thus avoid his own walk across traffic.

  29. Robert Jones says:

    any1 can u tell me what happened to Rose and all the other 815 “beachies” since the death of Frogurt during the flaming arrow incedent?

  30. Harold says:

    I wish this blog were threaded, so that we could more easily keep all the topics of discussion organized. How many people here have heard of Usenet?

    Carol – You wrote, “Jack…will have to give up his son if the timeline changes. …I don’t think anyone with a child would give that up. …to never have be born, what a horrible thought.” Spoken like a mother, truly. Fathers often feel more abstracted from their children. They love them equally, but often differently than that.

    You also wanted to understand the Faraday effect: It quantifies how magnetism affects light.

    That magnetism can be produced by a changing electric field and that a changing magnetic field can produce an electric field relates all three, electricity, magnetism and light. Maxwell’s equations (1865 or so) portray a more general, fundamental and accurate description of light as a particular case of electricity and magnetism. Maxwell’s equations gave solid foundation to the connection between space and electromagnetism, which Lorentz then used to create an even more solid and incontestable structure, which Einstein then further built upon and which Poincaré, Dirac, Schrödinger and numerous others used to develop quantum mechanics.

    In quantum mechanics, the states of matter or energy, their characteristics and, indeed, their being or lack of being, are described as probabilities of being. Among the many techniques and features of the math is a notion of a complex number, a number that has two parts, a real part and an imaginary part.

    The imaginary part is a number that exists as an idea only. You can’t represent it with physical objects. It was invented some 200 years ago to serve a purpose in mathematics and serve it does, but there it is bound. It is only a mathematical notion.

    (It is a system of numbers that includes the square root of -1, a number that when multiplied by itself gives -1. The inconsistency this has with real numbers is that among real numbers, only a negative number times a positive number gives a negative number. It’s a contradiction for -1 to have a square root. But, it proved useful to assign it a square root, so we have i, the imaginary number such that i times i equals -1, we have the complex numbers, a whole system of numbers and mathematics, in which i is embedded, and we have as just one example of the use to which imaginary numbers were put, the electronics of today.)

    Quantum mechanics takes as “the probability of a thing’s being or lack of being” the degree to which the thing’s mathematical expression includes an imaginary part. A thing whose mathematical expression contains only real numbers is considered to be entirely real. Conversely, if its mathematical expression contains only imaginary quantities it is considered to be entirely imaginary, potential to be, yes or at least maybe, a possibility, a probability, but not actually having reality.

    The notion of imaginary time and space was emphasized in the redisplay of that diagram of Daniel’s from his diary. Imaginary anything means the mathematical expression of the thing has some imaginary part in addition to its real part, though possibly no real part at all. As well as real space and time, the diagram shows axes of imaginary space and of imaginary time. This is the background in mathematics and physics Darlton use to underpin the flash-sideways, time travel and frozen donkey wheel teleportation.

    Because you asked about something related, Carol, I wrote this out. Only tangentially related, true. I also do tutoring in math and physics for SATs and college. Your kids are how old, 5 and 7? At least it’s not totally a rehash of one of the other 325 posts.

  31. Yann From France says:

    I think the thud all black with a white lost in the middle and the alt creation and its all white, black lost in the middle has a new meaning now…

  32. Carol from Boston says:

    Thanks Harold for the help. My kids are are older than 5 and 7, which is good for me, I do have one entering highschool in the fall though and will be taking those dreaded PSAT’s in a few years. I was a good student but science and math just weren’t my strong points. So all help is appreciated.

  33. Carol from Boston says:

    @robert jones – I thought most of the beachies died by the flaming arrows. Rose and Bernard “retired” as seen in the last episode of season 5. They kept moving around so Jin wouldn’t find them when he searched with his grid system. They just wanted to keep to themselves, retiring by the ocean. They had no desire to make contact with Saywer, Jin, etc because all they end up doing is fighting and blowing up things. Rose and Bernard wanted to live in peace. They did flash with Sawyer and the gang to 1977. But in terms of where are they now on the island I do not know. Maybe they never flashed to 2007 on the island because they weren’t near the exposion. I forgot they were even still on the island.

  34. Denise from the Bronx says:

    To all of you above: you are fantastic with your theories and explainations. When I watch the show and then rewatch it many times, I sit in amazement and wonder, trying to figure out “what does that mean” and “what is that all about” and then I come here and you explain it, piece by piece. I know that some of the theories may be wrong or off, but the time it takes you to figure out all this stuff is just freaking incredible. I love reading all comments and then listening to Jen and Ryan explain and conjecture on what will happen next. I am so happy I found you all. Keep up the good work and please, let me know what we will discuss when the best show in the world is off the air. My heart hearts. Thanks all for the enlightment. You are a blessing.

  35. Denise from the Bronx says:

    “my heart hurts.”

  36. Coolpeace says:

    @ Harold : Thanks for your explanation … I think I actually understood kinda, sorta.

    @ Docjkm : You know, the thing about sharing ideas thoughts and analysis is that it helps articulate, solidify and clearify your ideas. Its brainstroming – someone says something that triggers in you another thought and you see things differenly and the process is repeared … the summ of all parts creates a better whole.

    I believe most people when they theorize know they don’t have enough knowledge to answer the full puzzle that is LOST, but you can theorize about the next bit of story.

    Like Eloise knowing what is going on… let me try a organize my thoughts and come back with something that my brainstroming with all of you helped me see more clearly.

  37. Coolpeace says:

    read … “the process is REPEATED …”

  38. Chuck from Wisconsin says:

    WOW!! It is 3 days afte the episode aired and I’m still floored by this episode. I think with the glimpse of the two universes perhaps coming together, it has propelled this episode as definitely one of the, if not the best episode of the series.

    And forget about Jack/Kate, Sawyer/Kate, Sawyer/Juliet.

    Desmond and Penny still is the best couple on the show. They are awesome, just like that episode!

  39. docjkm says:

    I understand we know a lot, and itch furiously to make that knowledge ordered, sensible, and pointing in a direction. I do not, however, think that Lost is a detective novel, strewn with clues the discerning will, in Holmsian style, ferret out and logically string to solve the puzzle. We do not possess all we need, despite all we have.
    Theories imbue this knowledge with ourselves. Confusing, and lessening the purity of that knowledge. I have three related theories to explain what is going on, but who cares? I don’t even. I value this blog for ALL the contribution, and for the gentle gardening hands of the Curators. I do not criticize the theorists, I merely point out the impossibility of the task, and suggest that elements that are opaque be fully scrutinized and shared.

  40. Todd X says:

    Just an observation.

    Is the island the only place where Sun and Jin are safe from Mr. Paek?

  41. docjkm says:

    I hereby apologize for another post, yet find I cannot help myself. Lost is a tremendous experience for me, and I salute any and everyone who finds it so. Lost requires a departure from the mindless mode so necessary to appreciate TV fare, and anyone truly along for the ride is to be appreciated.

    I share one of my theories. We viewers are Lost, actually part of the series. We ask ourselves, “Where the bloody hell ARE we, guys?”. Charlie had a Desmond implanted theory that by incapacitating the blocking station (the Looking Glass), he would die, yet Claire would board a chopper and leave. Well the dieing part was right, but the motivating portion about Claire, well, dead wrong. Yet, in death, he held a hand, with information hastily scribbled, out for Desmond. We are all like Charlie, dieing for our incorrect theories, yet as we go down we hold out a hand to fellow Losties with an additional piece of the puzzle. To help.

    This is a show of ideas and philosophy. To feel and understand the import of those ideas is key to understanding what we are seeing. And we gather to share, to get ourselves through, like our fictional Losties, and share in ways they seem so repetitively unable to do amongst themselves. I am sure I am full of s***, but I come here, and I am amazed, enlightened, and ultimately satisfied that I am doing the best I can do with this challenging story because of you all everybody. And I find myself likening our experience to that which we watch, and wonder if it is in any way purposeful on the part of the shows writers/creators. If, in fact, it is one of the aims of the show. An induced audience participation?

    Ah, well, if I am as dizzy as I suspect in this, then I am still satisfied to be watching the finest television offered, and getting to share it with friends, family, and you all everybody.

    [I will again plug my plea for continuance of this blog and podcast beyond ‘The End’]

  42. greenberry says:

    Desmond + Penny = one of the greatest love stories of all time!

  43. Yann From France says:

    @coolpeace: Maybe Hawkin still has Faraday’s journal. It has been given before the atomic bomb! Maybe she knows how the two worlds were supposed to work and how Desmond had to go to the Island in one of them and how things should go in the other…
    Just heard on Keys To Lost something I totally overlooked: widmore told mib he heard about him from ghosts stories and “Whispers” in the jungle!

  44. Harold says:

    docjkm – Yeah, Henry Ian Cusick said in a recent interview that as much as he’s read of the final script, it still hasn’t come together for him, he still doesn’t understand the whole show. Trying to figure it out outside of and prior to watching the show unfold is fruitless.

    http://tvwatch.people.com/2010/04/08/losts-desmond-talks-love-fear-and-moving-sideways/
    “I don’t think anyone has a complete script. Security is tight and [producers] are keeping the final chapter under wraps. The whole last act is missing! And you definitely need the missing pages because, even up to what I’ve read, it’s still not resolved.”

  45. Carol from Boston says:

    @Doc – just thinking after your post that there will never be another show like this one that involves so much debate and so many different theories. I agree we should find a way to keep the board going, because face it, after this finale, we all are going to watch all the episodes again and theorize again based on the new information we were given.

    I have said this before and I’ll say it again. I would never want to write this show, the writers are under a lot of pressure. I don’t think anything has ever been disected as much as this. They have to be very careful about everything they write.

    Good luck to the people who start watching this show years from now on DVD, they’ll miss all the fun of having six season to sort through everything. I like having the time to really think about each episode and really form a connection with the characters that years of watching brings.

    @everyone – I am curious, how did people who watched most of the seasons on DVD feel? Do you like the answers coming quickly, do you feel like you missed out on the importance of the reveals or do you pick up more watching it within weeks instead of years?

  46. @Carol: I watched the first 2seasons on DVD… I think this show is even better watched like that!
    Instead of going to the blog every week you just watch the next episode and there you understand a bit more about what happened to each and everyone of them (the first two seasons).
    But watching it every week is also extremely fun… especially if you listen to the podcasts and the blogs.
    I would say: from a selfish point of view and if you don’t know anyone you can talk about it outside your home DVD is a better experience.

  47. Carol from Boston says:

    UGh- finally got the nerve to call in and I ended up getting nervous and started rambling. Oh well, I tried and I hope I don’t end up sounding too stupid if ends up on the podcast. I got cut off at the end. and had to call back. I really wanted the opportunity to thank them verbally for the podcast.

    What I wanted to say towards end is that I wonder if Desmond as he flashed back to Penny at the end remembers the island world. If he does than he will have an easier time with the other losties and getting them to trigger to their other life. I think it is deja vu rather than a near death experience that triggers it. Did his traveling back and forth at the end bring about that knowledge?

  48. Carol from Boston says:

    @Ryan and Jen – well even though I had to rush my thanks, you know how I feel right?

  49. Ryan says:

    Of course, Carol! We’re thankful that you’re listening, and contributing to the great “LOST” conversation.

    For everyone, feel free to call the “LOST” line with new “takes” if you don’t feel you made your point well the first time. But if you get “cut off,” that means you went for a full three minutes, which is much longer than we can include on the podcast. It often helps to write down what you want to say first, and time yourself to aim for a minute or so. But, even if we can’t include your call, trust us, we heard you!

  50. greenberry says:

    So LOVE seems to be the underlying thrust to course-correcting ~~ Desmond is on a mission!

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