the link is http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/index?pn=recap#t=162212&d=201648

I too, find Radzinski interesting in that I think he will be left in his own version of purgatory.

I, also, am not convinced that Rose and Bernard are Adam and eve- partially because of the timing- except if they end up flashing way back again and staying there…unless that is one of those plot discrepancies like Charlotte’s age.

And finally – I, also, like the idea that the shoes are significant- I have said this before…but it was reminiscent of the Ruby Slippers that one needed to wear to be a leader, or have special gifts in the land of Oz.

@Yann From France:

“Did anyone noticed… Walt’s dream as occurred:
John Locke is on a beach, in a suit surrounded by people who wants to hurt him (well the other him)”

I have wondered about this dream myself- because Walt is special and sees the future- but I am not sure he was surrounded by people who wanted to hurt him- I think it is still yet to come. I liked what someone said on the podcast about how maybe Jacob will take good Locke’s body and we will have our “pod Locke” and our “Good Locke” on the Island at the same time creating all sorts of confusion and mayhem and a great acting role for Terry O’Quinn.

@Michael- I read your post a few times- and I am not sure I get it- but I find it really interesting- you are saying that Aaron- Baby Aaron – Claire’s baby- was actually Jacob? I don’t get that…but what you say about protecting him etc I think is very significant…there is clearly some bloodlines here- some lineage- that is obviously important.

and finally- a few people have brought up Ecko which is really interesting- how he didn’t see smokey as beautiful and how his “brother” killed him but the line “I am not your brother” seems very significant. I suppose if I was Anti Jacob and I had this long plan to Kill Jacob that involved using John Locke then I would want to get Mr. Ecko out of the picture too- since he often questioned John and was a strong character who had turned his life around and was really making all of these “good choices” so I would want him gone so I could use the more flawed characters to do my will.

…and really- finally- what about when people did not die until they were supposed to- like Michael and Charlie…and even when Rousseau didn’t bite it when her husband tried to kill her – instead she could kill him….

ok…I am sad we may not get to 500 posts since there is a new section in which to post…but we made a great stab at it!

Thanks R and J and all the posters- this was a fun season to watch Lost with all of you!

Ok everyone… I listened to this one again a few weeks ago and I guess you NEED to listen to it:
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Official_Lost_Podcast/March_21,_2008

Now what do we learn? Yumi: monster. 3peoples are “undead” Yumi,Christian and… well… Horse.

So, undead means monster. So… now who do we have who sure is “undead”: Alex. I guess everyone agrees on this one.

But what about Locke, is he “undead”? The thing is: Yumi and Christian’s body diseapered before the monster took their form. What about Locke?
But maybe the monster tricked everyone by removing the dead bodies to make you think he was the real deal…

Love the show and would appreciate any thoughts you may have on the ‘high level’ theory!

Mahalo, Brad

I believe reincarnation plays a significant role in what is to be revealed. In Buddhist teachings, humans continue a rebirth cycle until they reach nirvana, a state without suffering. To reach this, one must part with all attachment to material things, other people and self. Once of all of these have no importance to your life and you discover the true nature of existence, your cycle is complete. The path intended to help those achieve it is, of course, Dharma. I like the irony.

In support:

- The aforementioned reincarnation anagram on the van
- Jacob’s comment that “It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.” [Nirvana is the end, the rest is the rebirth cycle]
- Jacob’s comment to Ben “what about you” meaning, neither Ben nor Jacob nor anyone else has any significance to the enlightened
- The importance of how bodies are handled

It would follow that our losties were, in a previous life, inhabitants of the island. This is why Jacob visited them in the off-island lives. And I think that each character is at a different point in their “cycle”. For example, jacob visited Sayid and Hurley after they left the island once. Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Jin and Sun all met him before the island.

With respect to Jacob and AJ….I’m not convinced they are two separate people – and I think it is significant that AJ’s proper name wasn’t mentioned. I believe that whole first scene may have been a figurative discussion jacob was having with himself – the yin/yang that all of us have in us. Jacob/AJ, himself, is still not truly enlightened.

Love the idea that Locke first saw Jacob, who was “beautiful”.

And the last reason (except Pierre Chang arms)… Did any of you saw the last movie produced by Daemon Lindeloff? I don’t want to spoil it for anyone but let’s say that this guy knows how to do a reboot when he wants to do a reboot.

So far, each season (except maybe for S4) has started with the point of view of some character. Wouldn’t it be cool is S6 premiered with the point of view of AJ/Dark Locke or the Smoke Monster?

Here’s the thing about my dream -

I dreamed that we saw the Island through the “eyes” of Smokey. We saw him storm around the Island and then take from of different characters. His perspective was mind-blowing, ancient and wild.

I’m not sure if I’d even like that but in my dream it was way waay cool:)

A few comments about the last podcast. The references to friendship go far beyond just a mannerism or code word for the statue-worshippers. It’s been one of those oft repeated thematic nodes like “see you in another life.” Two quick examples. In “Because You Left,” Ben says to Jack that Hurley will be considerably easier to recruit than the rest of Jack’s friends because of his commission at Santa Rosa. Jack says, “they’re not my friends anymore.” To which Ben sarcastically replies “that’s the spirit.” Another example that occurs to me off the top of my head was when Hurley conned Sayid and Locke’s crew captured him at the barracks. I believe Ben says something to the effect of “I know it’s no good having friends if you can’t trust them.” Actually, the drink shared/the drink refused we’ve seen so many times may connect to this theme as well by being a polite offering of friendship (Widmore & the whiskey, Alpert and the OJ, tea, lemonade, milk, etc).

R & J enjoyed Ben’s line, “I’m a Pisces.” Soon it began to dawn on me that this is not a throwaway line either. Pisces, the sign of the fish. An earlier poster noted an oblique reference perhaps to Jacob being a “fisher of men” like Jesus. The use of fishing metaphor in the Bible and the astrological sign of Pisces tie together beautifully because this sign symbolized the nation of Israel in addition to its more obvious connotations. I learned in an astrology class once that the magi who foretold of the coming of a savior did so because of the appearance of a nova or great star in the sign of Pisces in the night sky. He who will save us all?

Why is Radzinski on button duty? What you need to consider is that Radzinski may be performing this duty in the swan hatch long after the purge occurs. In this case, the quarantined hatch is the last bastion and vestige of the DI. We know for sure that Kelvin remained in the hatch until 2001 AD (After Desmond). We know Kelvin mentored Sayid in the arts of torture in the first Gulf War. We know Kelvin and Radzinski shared the hatch for some time before the mad scientist quit this world. We also have some dates on the old blast door map if they hold up to scrutiny. So Radzinski must still have been there well into the 90’s. I know everyone loves to hate him, but Rad has definitely become one of my favorite characters. Compelling, I mean. He too believes he’s on a mission to change the world. I think we’re going to see remorse for the colossal mistakes he has made, isolation, perhaps madness (from the sickness), and then despair. You might have a different perspective on him at the end.

There was a comment about water keeping smokey at bay. This might apply to AJ as well. AJ tosses Jacob into the fire, an element or instrument traditionally associated with the forces of evil. Fire and Water?
It would be great if that title were intentional. I fall into the unified field camp. Every question, to the greatest extent possible, should come together in a single, elegant explanation. Everything that rises must converge.

On Rose and Bernard as Adam and Eve. I get the idea of their love and harmony making them good candidates for the pair who lived together and did not die alone in this little eden. It’s the black and white stones that make me disinclined to accept this theory. I think those stones still have a deeper symbolic significance and Rose and Bernard have now retired from the game.

Loved the comment about Locke’s shoes and Jesse Again noting the items Hurley had in possession and the backgammon game. Hurley’s a beast at every game from table tennis to horseshoes. Walt’s the only one who ever beat him–at backgammon no less.

Defend the island.

I can “believe” in time-travel because it’s pure sci-fi — suspension of belief. Most sci-fi shows/movies rely on this, many other TV dramas/cop shows do to but to a lesser extent. Over analysis kills suspension of disbelief. Suspension of disbelief also falls down when someone does something that is within my knowledge base yet breaks all the rules — like falling 100+ feet with tonnes of metal around them lives. I am sure people can find an example of someone living through such and event if they look long enough. Maybe building collapse or an earthquake survivour ? Perhaps I am being a little harsh.

However I suppose my other gripe is that the writers could easily have written it that the electromagent effect pulls Juliet into the shaft, her and Sawyer do their I love you thing, she falls, THEN Jack has to drop the bomb in and it goes off on impact. Would have been more dramatic and less jump the shark.

But hey it’s one scene, I’ll live with it.

@Robert A. Jones: after I read your post I rewatched “left behind” which is the episode you retell where Juliette and Kate are chained together and smokey flashes white lights at Juliette…I wonder- like you- if this is connected to the white light or even how her Character plays this VERY significant role in “The Incident” I also thought it was cool how Sawyer being a leader is foreshadowed in that episode and its Hurley who “nudges” him or “pushes” him in that direction which leads me to..

@Jesse again: You are right…I do think Hurley is going to be significant and I did not pick up on the fact that he was given those items when released form Jail…one friend said to me “Hurley is the new ’special”". I think this is where we will learn the significance of the numbers…something having to do with Hurley.

I cant believe every time I check the blog there are so many more great ideas and theories and we were so close to the 500 posts its crazy…but the podcast has been cast….I think we could still get there…

Hurley is the key to saving Jacob or perhaps the balance against “evil locke”.
During Jacob’s adventures through time he had several items that helped the losties…
money, a pen, and candy…

now when hurley get’s out of jail…what do we see him get? A pen, money, and candy.

Then the person he meets outside in the cab is Jacob…who tell him he’s not bad luck at all, but that his abilities are actually useful and a gift.

What if this is massive foreshadowing?

my call to ryan and jen goes into a LOT more detail…
but I figured I would post it here for you all.

@Funky Dunky
I’m with you. Leave unsolved mysteries and let us speculate on and on and on.

My low points were much the same as what was posted in Ryan’s blog summary (Kate/Sawyer/Juliet’s silly motivational changes and Jack’s “I had her but lost her” reasoning), although I didn’t go to bed mad like Jen. LOL. Also, I found it hard to believe Sayid would know how to remove a nuclear warhead from the bomb AND arm it to detonate on impact. He was a torturer and a communications specialist — I guess I must have missed the episode where he was given specialized nuclear bomb training by Saddam. Small quibble.

Overall, I really enjoyed the finale and can’t wait for Season 6.

Oh, and on a final note I want to take this opportunity to say to Jen and Ryan, I love your podcasts!! I happened on them this past summer, and now they’re just a regular part of my LOST fix. Thanks for all your hard work.

Did you dislike Juliet’s “death” scene because it was so unrealistic that she’d survive that fall? I personally loved the acting and dialog between Sawyer and Juliet in that scene so I just want to be sure I know where you’re coming from.

Regarding her unlikely survival, I actually have an interesting theory from my brother, with me elaborating on it a little … but I haven’t had a chance to check the actual episode yet to see if I really believe this is possible. He was telling me that Juliet waking up from the fall looks very similar to Locke waking up from his fall. Is it possible that Jacob was there but we couldn’t see him? That the reason we didn’t see Juliet touched in her flashback this episode is because he touched her in that moment and gave her life, similar to how he revived Locke?… but why don’t we see Jacob there? Maybe this is where the loophole comes to help Jacob out. By Ben killing Jacob in 2007 at the same time in the Losties’ lives that the Incident is happening in 1977, Jacob’s spirit is able to break away from his body and transcend time to save Juliet so she can detonate the bomb and the 1977 Losties can be propelled forward into 2007 to fight against Anti-Jacob. Alright, I know that’s kinda out there, especially the leaps that I made about 2007 and 1977 happening at the same time and spirit-Jacob transcending time … but I still find it pretty interesting to think about.

Don’t get me wrong, I think LOST is the only hour on tv worth paying for.

Between S4 and S5 I left the US and moved to Australia who are about three or four epis behind. Of all the tv I watched in the US, which wasn’t much, the only show I watch via my old US iTunes account is LOST. I now pay the $2 per show to get it the next day. I will continue to do this through S6. LOST is the best show on tv, the only one really worth watching, however within a season there are always ups and downs, better and worse episodes. I still say that the finale was not as great as people are making out. It had great parts but also enough bad parts to make it only a good episode, not a great one.

As for answers, your explaination of the quarantine sign is a case in point. We have concluded from what we have seen why the sign is there. I think the D&C will not go out of their way to explain it ‘in show’. I think we WILL get answers to the major plot points but I am also very sure many fans will be dissappointed with the lack of answers and even the S6 finale. I foresee a high percentage of fans will proably be dissappointed with the final wrap-up and even the final scene.

The problem TPTB have is that, this time next year, fans may end up concentrating their energy into rants about the lack of specific mystery answers rather than veiwing the six year LOST story as what it is …. a character driven sci-fi/mystery show that is (or at that tiem was) far superior to everything else on tv.

D&C have a choice they can cram in all the answers and risk a ’spoon fed’ final season or they can leave some open ended and face the wrath of the fans. I bet they go for the second option. A third option would be as I said before have a one/two hour special interview where they discuss what answers they didn’t provide. Something on a LOST Complete DVD set to make us part with more cash even though we have all the seasons in seperate sets !

Regarding the concern of missing answers to questions Vs. spoonfed answers: Another possibility is that the answer of some mysteries will then also answer other numerous remaining mysteries without having to be spoon-fed to audience. Case in point, the reveal of the AJ looking for a loophole and the rest of the opening scene and taking the form of DeadLocke answered multiple questions: 1. The compass was originally posessed by AJ (at least pre-loop) 2. Locke was not really brought back to the ‘land of the living’ 3. The island was not able to talk to Locke, it was AJ’s communication with the island, 4. Why Jacob was so secluded (to avoid the chance of being killed by AJ), yada, yada, yada.
True, it then brought in a whole new series of questions, but I would have to put some faith in the writers that as the questions become wider in scope and concept, the answers will follow suit, and then some of the more trivial issues will be answered in the course of the story unfolding.
Just my two cents. No, you cannot have your change back! Heehee

1. Answers: D&C have said that some of the mysteries will not be answered (e.g. Libbys past) and others as far as they are concerned have already been answered (e.g. the numbers). My feeling is that many will not be answered at all (eg quarrantine on Swan) and others will only be answered by conjecture (eg Adam and Eve => Rose and Bernard). Others will have to be answered (eg origin of Smoke Monster but even that maybe left hanging). I suspect D&C started the show with an over arching storyline and the idea that they needed to add more mysteries to keep people watching but now they are closing the loops they will not close all of them. Now we are into the final season I believe they will have to be very selective and will only answer the mysteries THEY consider important. A season where they answer mysteries ever week will not be the same.

2. Negative comments on the show: Some people will rate LOST as the greatest hour on tv no matter what happens in the show — some people would say an hour of Jack-Kate-Sawyer love triangle was pure gold. Some people will always rate episodes average, even one like the Constant. Some episodes are bound to be better than others. I just feel that the S5 finale didn’t cut the mustard. The opening scene was one of the best scenes in the entire show. The Juliet ‘death’ (is she dead or is she pinged into the future/past with our othe Lostaways … anyone want to call her agent and see if Elizabeth Mitchell is avaliable for work next fall?) scene was one of the worst. Ben killing Jacob, was great, Jack’s motivation to explode the bomb to reset history for another chance at Kate was plain stupid — she’ll be going to jail Jack and you won’t know her like ever. Hence my overall rating of good but not great.

regarding Valenzetti: alas, not canon. I find the release of seemingly crucial pieces of the puzzle but are non-canonical to be frustrating (to us fans) at best, and irresponsible (of TPTB) at worst. Personally, I am actually bitter about the Comic Con video of Pierre Chang sending a message 30 years in to the future, and that the cameraman was (by the voice) Daniel Faraday. Eventually, Dalton retracted this very convincing production with the wimpy characterization of it as being a “continuity error.” Continuity my arse.

This leads to the bigger question you raise: which I will paraphrase: in contrast to J.K. Rowling’s handling of Harry Potter, will LOST tie together at its end, and will the final season answer the many open questions. I am very confident that the answer to this will be a resounding NO. Although LOST will be much better than other shows, such as Twin Peaks or X-Files. I believe there are several reasons for this:

1) While the original creative team may have had some idea what the story was about, it did wander for a while, and much was put out there just to keep us fans confused and intrigued and puzzled and bought-in. Darlton have said that not every question will be answered. Of course not, because there is no over-arching coherent story that accommodates everything that we have seen. Some bits will be given short shrift, such as the Polar Bears, which are now considered to have been adequately explained (so says Carlton in a video interview): they were brought to Hydra island by Dharma, after the Incident escaped, and swam over to the main island, where they reproduced. C’mon — we’re supposed to believe that polar bears can survive in such conditions??? And then, of course the interviewer asks: what about the one in Tunisia? Uhhmmm….

2) The story must accommodate the realities of production. The actor portraying Eko wanted to leave Hawai’i, and so he had to be written out of the story (much as we liked him, and his church was incomplete). Similar problems arose with the actresses portraying Libby and Ana Lucia, who needed to offed from the show. I’ve no idea what other realties factor.

3) The mythology is just too dang big! There’s been soooo much back-story crafted that there’s no way to make it all tie together (fiction is much messier than reality).

4) The fans often like characters that are consequential to the evolving story. I believe Rose and Bernard are such. So, to appease “our” (collective) fervent desire to know what has happened to them, a scene is crafted to explain they are now happily living in the woods. Bye-bye. (uhh, how do they get through the sonic fence to steal food from the D.I. ? or is someone bringing it to them? oops! more questions).

5) TPTB may want a story ending that leaves room for either a (television) spin-off or a (movie) sequel. In such case, perhaps the story can’t be buttoned up all too completely and the questions answered all too fully.

fwiw.

I don’t need to be negative about the show…just thought it was funny. Locke lands on the pavement after falling out of the window of a high rise building and none of the passerby’s look up. – strange.

Ryan & Jen….Can’t wait for the podcast.

Getting back to the eye at the end
We in Canada are not getting, for regulatory reasons (protecting Canadian identity) the US feed when it airs
This means that we miss the last couple of minutes that overlap the next program which is often not a ABC program on the CTV network.
It sucks the same way we dont get to see the Super Bowl commercials live but only the next day on the net
Fortunately for us French minority in Quebec we get to see the tranlated versions over the summer in their entireity
So by the end of August I will know what this eye is all about

Anyway this show would be as much fun without you all everybody chipping in We just like comparing notes…
Thanks Jen & Ryan

@Thom Stanley
I agree that it isn’t definite that the smoke monster and Anti-Jacob are one in the same but Anti-Jacob’s reaction to Ben saying that his dead daughter told him to do whatever Locke said isn’t proof that they aren’t one in the same. Anti-Jacob was playing a role and he had to make Ben believe that this was new information to him. Regardless of whether or not Anti-Jacob and the smoke monster are the same thing, I’d be pretty surprised if Anti-Jacob didn’t already know what “Alex” told Ben. Ben telling Anti-Jacob that Alex’s message worked was still good news to him. It told him that he really had found the loophole because Ben would do his dirty work for him per Alex’s instrucitons. I really liked your point about Jacob’s death could have serious implications for Richard, and possibly others. I’d be bummed to see Richard die or age but I think that we probably will see some changes in him, especially if Jacob doesn’t somehow regain control quickly.

@iwantdesmondshair
No reason to be sad yet. Sorry to repeat myself but there’s no way for us to guess what questions will end up being answered in the last season. It is smart to recognize that some may never be answered but there’s no reason to get upset about it yet. As for the the “3 years ago” and “30 years later” stuff, I *mostly* agree with what you are saying. But here’s the thing: for the Season 3 timeline, it was part of the story that you didn’t know where everything fit. You were looking at the *same* characters at *different* points in their life and piecing together what has changed and what has remained the same. This season, you’re looking at *different* characters in *different* times but on their one linear path. It was fine to leave it up in the air for season 3 but there’s no point in it for season 5. For people who post on boards and listen to podcasts, it seems unnecessary but it the casual viewer it may help. I agree that it is a little annoying but since telling us when we are isn’t hurting the shock value, it doesn’t bother me much. I would agrue that there have been some surprising moments this season, but when you’re really involved in the fandom, just about every possiblity is thrown out there so we’re not as surprised when we see it. Had we had a week between seeing Jack in his downward spiral during the Season 3 finale, we probably would have pieced together things like his new cell phone and realized it was a flashfoward. Since it was contained within an episode, though, it was a “holy crap” moment for most of us.

I don’t know. I guess from where I’m sitting, it looks like we have people either upset because the clues aren’t there so we can’t theorize or it’s no surprise because we’re so good at theorizing and we’re drawing to an end so we’re actually getting answers to things we’ve been theorizing about for a very long time.

Honest question, other than the “3 years ago” and “30 years later” example, what else is being spoonfed?

@ Eva
Related to my comment above, if TBTB don’t deliver on the big ticket questions, all hell will break loose.

@ Thom Stanley
Although we can’t be certain yet, my feeling is that Dark Locke is just playing Ben at that point. He draws Ben out into revealing what happened while he already has a plan to turn it against him. Smokey acts as a kind of independent verification of Locke’s ascendance when, really, it’s just another guise for the deceiver. Love the Dorian Gray comment.

Sorry, have to disagree. The scene with Sayid and Nadia is not about free will, at least not in the sense of a classic struggle with good/evil, right/wrong. Compare this scene with Locke falling from the window. In your view of “free will”, it was ultimately Locke’s fault for being pushed out of the window — he “chose” to stand in front of the window, where his dad could easily push him out. Is that a better choice than for Nadia to walk into the street to be murdered? Yet, Jacob still touched Locke’s (dead?) body and revived him. Why didn’t he do that for Nadia?

Ultimately, free will is not the message we should be taking away from these scenes. They were probably nothing more than scenes to show how Jacob had previously handpicked our LOSTies for a special purpose — to show that he has always had a plan. Nadia’s death was more likely needed to provide Sayid’s motivation to do what he was destined to do. AND we have enough characters already to deal with in season 6…no sense in bringing her into the picture. Oh, AND because the writers had to clear the way for Sayid and Kate to fall in love.

In the end, I felt for Juliette and her deep insecurities — previously, she always seemed like such a remote reserved smug character with a continual sneer — i found it hard to like her — she obviously had a profound effect on James by helping him to mature and find contentment

Kate is still my favorite character — i love her spunk and passion — i hope the ending of s6 will be worthy of her

not looking forward to seeing irritating Claire back — if the anti-Jacob inhabits the dead, was Claire in that category? — how about Hurley being “blessed” by his visions? — are some of the visions Jacob?

Maybe they just act together to make this “all go away” in the words of Kelvin. The two discharges of energy combined into one incident extinguish the timeline which radiates out like a flash of light after a catastrophic explosion, but the substance of which no longer exists. That is the source of the fertility problems. You can’t conceive anything new into an after image which has no reality of its own.

@ You All Everybody
In terms of the influence of sacred mythology on the story, it might be useful to consider that almost every religious narrative from around the world shares a great many similarities. You have the creation myth, the world emerging from the waters of darkness; the snake/dragon/water monster that symbolizes the primordial chaos; a hero who undertakes a journey, often to the underworld, to return with light/fire/knowledge to share with the rest of humanity. The book to read on this subject is Joseph Campbell’’s “The Hero With a Thousand Faces.” (Audible available?) I’ve always said he would have had a field day with Lost. Anyway, we’ve had Buddhist/Hindu, Islamic, Animistic, Greek, Egyptian, and Judeo/Christian influences on Lost in ample measure. I see the island as perhaps the one source, the Atlantis before the world broke apart in a tower of Babel moment. This would explain all these similarities.

And… I’ve heard a lot of people mention that they believe the smoke monster to be somehow connected to Dark Locke. Yet, Dark Locke is perplexed by Ben’s meeting with smokey and the result of that meeting. I believe smokey is an independent entity that is more the “judge” and Jacob and Dark Lock are merely players and our friends, the pieces.

To quote you –

“One reason that some writers refuse to answer *all* the questions is so that readers can decide for themselves what may or may not have happened.”

I absolutely agree. This is what really draws us watching and thinking. Honestly, I don’t mind about all the unanswered questions that much. Lost will be timeless and watchable even in 20 years, because the viewer’s involvement in the show is what makes it worthwhile.

Brain food!!

The reason non of this season has been shocking (especially the finale) is because we are being spoon fed info, I hate the info is now being presented to us. The whole “3 years ago” “30 years later” stuff is just horrible and dumbs down the show.

I’m so sad because it appears my favorite long times aspects of the show will not play any role in the outcome, sigh

Right before Eko is killed, “Yemi” asks Eko, “why do you speak to me as if I was your brother?”. Eko then responds “who are you?”… That is enough of a hint for me!

‘Jason, like all mortals, is unknowingly a piece in the game which the gods play against each other. This is an accurate portrayal of Greek theology and rarely found in any modern medium.’

What do you all think? It just rang a bell with me, especially the first scene with Jacob and ‘Esau’ on the beach.

If they just talk about that I will be more than happy!
Don’t take it on me guys, I AM making a point giving arguments on a subject I also love but I just feel strange that the biggest questions of the first 2seasons are now… well… nothing?

I disagree that JK Rowling answered *every* question by the end of the 7th book but even if she had, it was kinda my point that the book format makes it much easier to answer the questions. Due to the nature of the TV medium, there are a lot more outside influences that impact what the writers’ of the show are able to do. For example, if they had intended for Rousseau’s character to make it into season 6 and even to survive the entire series then they had to change things up once the actress playing Rousseau (Mira Furlan) decided she wanted to leave the show. (that was just an “for instance” … I’ve never heard them say they had other plans for Rousseau.)

I do see what you’re saying in terms of theorizing but I think that’d be true no matter what. People in the Harry Potter fandom thought it was going to be very important to know more about what happened to Harry the night his parents were killed and had all kinds of theories about the portraits conveying messages to Dumbledore that evening but, in the end, we didn’t find out that much more in the final book so those theories turned out for naught … in a sense. They are still important, in my opinion. One reason that some writers refuse to answer *all* the questions is so that readers can decide for themselves what may or may not have happened with those unanswered questions. I think Damon and Carlton will probably be able to answer more once Lost is over but I wouldn’t be surprised if there are some things they’re simply going to leave to the audience to decide. As Mark B said, it’ll allow us to speculate and discuss our thoughts on the possible answers to unanswered questions.

- Jacobs convenient visits to all of the younger 815ers reeked of filler desperation , all so next season everyone can say in synchronous OMG ! He was Jacob all along

- the locke fall from the window looked very bad and rivalled the departure of the galaga

- Annoyed that juliet got pushed down a well like little Timmy when her usefulness was over

I am actually thinking will i bother giving lost 720 minutes of my life when it airs again next year

anyway i hope i really get over this by next year

Love the podcast

Michael

Perhaps Jacob (as a risen-obiwan) may yet resurrect Locke again? that’d be nice. ONe reason i was so unhappy with the show was Locke really being dead.

Here’s a thought I haven’t seen yet:

Jacob, AntiJacob — black and white living in a continual struggle…
Rose, Bernard — black and white living in back to nature, harmonal peace.

Wonder if thats a coincidence or actually meaningful. Maybe we’re not done with Rose and Bernard after all?

@Bonita: If they can’t reproduce on the island, I guess as soon as they have the opportunity to take kids they do that (why not do that of island? who knows) and the train them in the jungle leading them to call stars “Ursa Theodoris” and walking with teddy bear while grown ups… But will they ever adress that?

@Morhia: Harry Potter answered all the questions through the 6 books. I am really starting to fear that the most important questions of the first 2seasons will just be overlooked to answer questions asked during the last 3seasons…

@Dave in AL: Sure the show is really great, well writen and directed, full of references and allow for a lot of imagination and discution. But the X-Files was like that, and I am sure that if the Internet community had been bigger and if the podcast had existed there would have been a lot of them I guess.

My real problem now is: with THAT many questions left unanswered and still new ones coming. How can we find a good theory if we don’t know what datas we should take into account and thus… what the point of a podcast and others if we reflect on bad datas?
So the journey is great but we’d better not try to guess anything because they like to do “game changing” things while not answering the questions asked 3years ago.

@MLE in Colorado: Talking about datas and theories… I am a PhD Student in chemistry.

Yet: Love the show, love the podcast, looking forward for the replies on the blog… Optimism is a state of mind I guess!

It wasn’t Nadia’s free will to be hit by the car (she obviously didn’t want to die), but it was her free will to cross the street while looking in her bag for her sunglasses. Actions have consequences, and Jacob didn’t protect Nadia from the consequences of her actions. He did protect Sayid, however, from being the unwilling victim of his wife’s distraction, and he saved Locke from being the unwilling victim of his father’s malice.

Also, I don’t think that Nadia turning around had anything to do with her being hit, as her whole turn took less than 1sec, and the impact was unavoidable at that point.

It’s also fascinating that he respects Sayid’s free will even as he saves him. He doesn’t grab him to stop him from crossing the street. He asks: “could you help me?”, i.e., giving him a choice. Sayid could easily say “I’m not from LA” or “I’m in a hurry” and walk into the street. He only touches Sayid after the car has hit.

I’ve got one thing I have to nitpick on that a lot of people have made comments on (even Jack on the show), that if events can be changed that flight 815 will make it to LA. 815 will never make it to LA because it turned around. Even if the Losties were able to affect the future and the crash is prevented, the plane will still turn around because of mechanical problems. Preventing the crash will not get them to LA, only back to Sydney. If the goal is to arrive at LA, you have to change the one key event that prevented that from happening to begin with, the plane turning around, which was caused by the mechanical problem (the butterfly effect notwithstanding mind you).

The whole focus of Faraday, Jack, et al, was to stop the event that caused the airplane to crash on the island. If they were actually to succeed, the plane continues to Sydney, a far different outcome than arriving in LA as originally planned. Who knows, maybe the plane ends up crashing anyway and everyone dies as a result. How’s that for the universe course correcting?

Although a minor point in the grandiose scheme of the story, I just needed to get that out of my system.

Aloha,

Bob

I thought it was first of all pretty interesting to learn that the script at least says that the bomb actually did go off. So the white light may have been a flash for the Losties to time travel but even if that’s the case, the bomb did go off. Still leaves plenty of other options of the implications of the bomb going off but I’m still of the belief that whatever happened, happened. The most interesting thing will be how/where/when the time travelers end up.

I also really liked his comparison of Jacob as another example of bad parenting. I personally hope that we find out that Jacob, while seeming detached as Ben said, had to do that in order to allow “his children” free will. Almost like the opposite detachment we see out of Eloise. She is detached because she knows she is *directing* her son on a path that leads to her killing him. Jacob is detached because he knows that his children (if he really is God) must make their own choices in order to grow and the only way that can happen is to remain detached. It’s funny, I was having a similar conversation with my brother just today … telling him that I liked the casting of Jacob because the actor played the role very detached, which is what I’d imagine any deity who believes in free-will would have to be, while at the same time wanting to comfort the pain humans feel.