Next: “The Incident” (Episode 5-16/17)

The Season 5 finale gave us the widest view yet of what’s been unfolding on the The Island, and for that, I’m thrilled. But the Season 5 finale also honed in on some of our character’s most petty failings, and for that, we’re both somewhat annoyed. Frankly, Jen was livid. I like the suggestion that we’ve been watching only the latest round in a perpetual battle between light and dark — one in which our survivors finally opened a “loophole” for the dark forces to gain the upper hand. I don’t like the idea that the huge, dramatic, cataclysmic detonation of the Jughead core we’ve been building up to all season came only as the result of more twists in the “para-love-ogram.”

Let’s start with what I liked. Though “like” is dependent entirely on the foolhardy presumption that my interpretation of what we’ve seen with Jacob is right. Based solely on the opening scene, no less. To wit:

Jacob is light, goodness, benevolence. His nemesis, yet unnamed, is dark, petty, judgemental. Perhaps for an eternity, they have battled on The Island. But they cannot vanquish each other directly. The Island is largely the chess board, and the pieces are men. Imperfect, flawed humans. By the time the Black Rock arrives, they’ve been through the cycle many times. Jacob summoned another group, believing they might avoid self destruction. Darkness says, “It always ends the same.”

So the Black Rock, the Dharma Initiative, perhaps even The Others, and most certainly the survivors of Flight 815… each group came to the island, struggled over leadership, and self destructed.

Richard Alpert, perpetual advisor, serves Jacob by trying to guide and protect whomever is the leader: Eloise (who Richard called his leader in 1977), Ben (whom Richard and perhaps Jacob felt was ultimately an inadequate leader), and Locke (who Richard presumed to be special, even if it was Locke that gave him that idea in the first place). Darkness, meanwhile, acts through visions, or actually possessing the form of the dead. Christian Shephard. Alex. Perhaps Claire. And, yes, the late Locke, whom we now know isn’t Locke. We’ll call him Dark Locke.

Jacob is compassionate and feels for these flawed people. He visits them, literally touches them, perhaps merely knowing their path, or perhaps steering them. However the cycle ends, he knows it must end.

But something happened with Oceanic Flight 815. Something about this last cycle was different. And the why and how are, most likely, part of what awaits in Season Six. Nonetheless, the combination of The Incident, of Desmond turning the failsafe, of Eloise sending them back on Ajira 316 but scattering them through time — this whole convoluted series events, the entirety of the last five seasons of “LOST” — has led us to the loophole. The loophole that allowed Darkness to vanquish Jacob, with Ben as his instrument.

What is the loophole?

I can only guess by guessing at the rules. Only the leader can enter the temple. There can be only one leader. And the leader, essentially, decides who wins. Darkness, through manipulating the leader with visions and the reanimated dead, has probably brought the leader to Jacob dozens or hundreds of times. Each time, the leader has probably arrived, ready to reject and kill Jacob. But once inside, alone, Jacob appeals to the leader’s better self, gives them a choice, and they always choose light.

Darkness found his loophole through Locke. I’m not sure exactly when, but Locke had been the key for a while. Locke eventually died. And, yes, Locke is still dead. But with his body returned to the island, Darkness was able to take the form of Locke, becoming Dark Locke, and bewilder everyone  — including Ben and, curiously, Richard — with his knowledge of The Island. He asserts many times that he is the leader. And he repeatedly taunts Ben for never having made the cut with Jacob.

Dark Locke brings everyone to Jacob. He, the supposed leader, goes into Jacob’s lair, and insists on bringing Ben. Why? Because Ben is the leader. Ben’s been the leader ever since he returned on Ajira 316 and woke up in the infirmary, because Locke is still dead. That’s the loophole. And Dark Locke, having goaded Ben during the entire journey, looses his jealousy and insecurity and rage, and Ben, the leader, stabs Jacob and throws him into the fire.

The end?

Of course not. With his last breath, Jacob says, “They’re coming.” Who? My guess, perhaps obviously, is that “they” are everyone misplaced in time, back in 1977, who are near the Swan and subjected to the universe-twisting combination of electromagnetism and a hydrogen bomb blast. My guess for Season 6 is that everyone is reunited in 2007, but Darkness rules The Island, and the epic battle will be these imperfect, flawed humans trying to vanquish him.

But I could be completely wrong.

For example, where does the smoke monster fit? Is it an agent of Darkness? I’m inclined to think so, since it does stand in judgment of men, finding them unworthy and destroying them much as I imagine Darkness would. It could also be the agent through which Darkness assumes the form of the dead, such as both Alex and Dark Locke in the temple. Jen’s question, though, is how Ben became familiar enough with it to use it for his own means. It may be more likely that the smoke monster is a free agent.

Where do Bram and Ilana fit? Given the riddle, I guess they’re aligned with Alpert, and therefore presumably Jacob. What role will they play? I certainly hope it’s something more significant than teasing viewers with a mystery box for half a season. And if we now know that Ilana always knew Locke was in that box, she was obviously not surprised by seeing Dark Locke eating a mango in “The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham.” How can she not be surprised by Dark Locke, but Alpert be apparently merely suspicious? And could they actually be agents of Darkness? After all, in the opening scene in the ancient past, it’s Darkness who calls Jacob “my friend.”

And if we’ve actually been watching pawns on a chess board, manipulated by Jacob and Darkness, it’d be somewhat disheartening to imagine that the longstanding battle between crafty and clever Ben and rich industrialist Charles Widmore is essentially insignificant. There has to be more to it.

Yet, Ben was goaded into killing Jacob after decades of servitude simply by becoming a petulant, whiny, sore loser. Juliet reverses herself halfway through the “Stop Jack” mission, simply because Sawyer looked at Kate funny. And Jack admits that his talk about destiny was all a crock: he wants to detonate a deadly hydrogen bomb simply because he blew it with Kate. Sayid is shot, valiantly rigs the bomb to go off on impact, but it doesn’t. Juliet dies, but doesn’t, but does, because Jack didn’t detonate the bomb, she did. And Miles gets the throwaway line about how their actions are creating the events they’re trying to stop… all bringing us to the big dramatic blast that wasn’t, because it was effectively “defused” by all the character machinations that led up to it.

The preceding paragraph is essentially why Jen went to bed angry. Here’s hoping she’s feeling a little more charitable by the time we record our podcast.

Notes and Notions:

  • Damon Lindeloff and Carlton Cuse hinted that the end of this Season 5 finale would be like the end of the Season 1 finale, and it was. Just as we saw nothing at the bottom of the hatch after Locke finally blew it open, we saw nothing after the bright white flash of Jughead. It’s a cliffhanger in only the faintest sense of the word. No tangible piece of what may come in Season 6 beyond “they’re coming.”
  • If the “what’s in the box” teases weren’t enough, what’s the deal with Hurley’s guitar case? We know Jacob gave it to him, which is great, but… really? Will we just not know? Or will it be blasted into 2007 alongside Hurley to taunt us in Season 6?
  • When Juliet said, “Live together, die alone,” didn’t you want to punch her in the face?
  • Juliet’s death was wrenching, but probably would’ve been moreso if she hadn’t essentially dumped Sawyer two scenes earlier. It doesn’t look good for Sayid, either. And while it was good to see Phil get skewered, I really felt Sawyer deserved to have his death under his belt, rather than a random pipe.
  • I’m not sure whether Jacob’s visits with all our characters were meant to direct them to their fates or change them. They made a point of showing him physically touch each of them, tapping Kate on the nose, holding young Sawyer’s hand a moment when handing him a pen. But it seems odd that Jacob helps revive Locke after falling from a high rise, but doesn’t do much more than give Jack an Apollo Bar.
  • I really liked how Rose and Bernard were handled, even if I’m pretty sure this is the last we’ll see of them (beyond perhaps more explicit confirmation that they’re the “Adam and Eve” skeletons from Season 1). Their dismay at being found was hilarious. They got the lives they always wanted, they retired from the cycle of violence, and they’re happy to die as long as they’re together. Aww…
  • We saw Vincent, too, but he’s now a mystery to me. If he survives the hydrogen bomb blast in 1977, he’s not likely to still be around in 2007. Unless he’s thrown through time along with Jack and friends. I can’t think of any other way Vincent makes it to the end of Season 6, as the creators seem to suggest he will.
  • I liked how Bram called Frank a “yahoo.” Since it turned out that Frank was only pretending to be unconscious, I would’ve enjoyed having him pop up to respond to the word like he did in Season 4. He also got the great line, “In my experience the people who go out of their way to tell you they’re the good guys are the bad guys.”
  • Talk about writing themselves out of a corner. Jughead already shrunk by several feet between “Jughead” and “Follow the Leader.” But after talking so much about its size and weight, turns out all we need is the core, which conveniently fits in a backpack. Now we can walk it over to the Swan!
  • Some of the flashbacks were so short, and linked so plainly to the scenes that followed, I would’ve rather not seen them. Juliet’s parents got divorced, so that’s why she dumps Sawyer! Sayid watched Nadia die in the street, so that’s why he’s ready to die after being shot! Jacob recruited Ilana, and Jacob put Hurley on Ajira 316! It felt off.
  • When Locke was thrown through the window, didn’t he bring a cascade of broken glass with him? The way he drops, singularly, with a thud before Jacob walks up seemed a bit strange. And were they suggesting Jacob saved Sayid’s life by pulling him back off the street?
  • I can forgive Miles’ anvilicious “what if this causes the incident” epiphany because he also had the great line after Jack said the plan is not to go back in time. “Right, because that would be ridiculous.”
  • Snarky Ben is fun. “I’m a Pisces.” Or, “I lied. It’s what I do.” Or when Sun asks Ben if he expects her to believe he doesn’t know about the statue. “Not really.”
  • I liked that Sun found Charlie’s Drive Shaft ring in Aaron’s old crib, and that Charlie was mentioned in Jacob’s conversation with Hurley (along with Libby). Interesting how some long lost characters still get shoutouts, while many others don’t.
  • Book: “Everything that Rises must Converge” by Flannery O’Connor. Interestingly, Jen’s working her way through an anthology of O’Connor short stories right now.
  • Locations: Too many to list completely. Sun and Jin got married at the Byodo-In Temple in Kaneohe. Locke fell out of the Waikiki Landmark highrise on Kalakaua Avenue in Waikiki. Young Kate shoplifted from a small store near Haleiwa (the name escapes me at the moment, but we mentioned it on our podcast). Young Sawyer’s funeral was at a church in Ewa Villages. Hurley was released from the Oahu Community Correctional Center on Dillingham Blvd. Nadia was killed at the corner of Auahi and Kamani streets off Ward.

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456 Responses to “Next: “The Incident” (Episode 5-16/17)”

  1. DocJKM says:

    Lost is epic television. This blog, and the podcast, are appropriate. But, I hope all the time and energy expended will in retrospect be seen as appropriate. I made the decision 3 years ago to just hop on and enjoy the ride. My patience, and credulity, was being tortured, but the torture was so well done, I decided WTF.

    This season has had real highs and lows. I suspect the finale to be a low. I think my reactions are summed by others, and I quote them-

    ————-“Mindstage Says:

    May 14th, 2009 at 12:50 am

    Finally, isn’t it obvious that Sayid’s “modification” to the bomb was to disarm it? I mean, we didn’t really hear an explosion – just a flash to white. The last minute introduction by Miles of the concept that exploding the bomb may actually cause the incident rather than repel it seems to support the conclusion.

    Joy Says:

    May 14th, 2009 at 1:33 am

    I was a little dismayed by the whole episode and really felt like I needed to immediately watch it again, except that it was WAY past my bedtime so that’ll have to wait for tonight. I had a lot of the same thoughts wrt so many of the events being controlled by the love quadrangle. I found that kind of irritating. I mean, I was happier thinking Jack was doing all this in an attempt to save lives. That made sense to me. He’s a doctor! Whee! But he’s doing it because he lost Kate? WTF? Hello, if the plane lands, she’s going to prison for-freakin-ever. And then Juliet does the 180 because Sawyer looks at Kate at a dramatic moment. Puh-lease. To me, both those actions were very far outside what we know of those characters to this point.

    The interesting question that I was left with, even as tired as I was last night, was whether Jughead’s explosion changed anything.

    Al from Maryland Says:

    May 14th, 2009 at 2:28 am

    Jacob was a dissapointment. They picked the worst answer to “who’s Jacob”.

    And speaking of almost dead Locke. Now we know he’s truly dead, and we have an imposter posing as Locke. Worst Answer possible.

    Locke’s mission to kill Jacob? Was it to release him? to actually help him? To expose Ben’s fraud? Was it something interesting like that? No, it was to murder jacob for reasons unknown to us. Worst Answer Possible.

    What about this bomb plot? Will it be averted? Will they really set off a NUKE on the island? But wont that permanently kill all the Dharma non-time-travelers? And Jack, is it really fair to wipe out other people’s time lines so that you can land in LA in 2004? What on earth is possibly appealing to this idea that the writers really want to go there? Well, they manage to blow the bomb and get the cliche’d white screen of death. Worst Possible Result.

    So, here we are, left with these Urgent Questions: Will the losties die in the blast or be transported to 2004? to 2007? Will SunJin ever be reunited? Is the future changed or is WHH true? I’ll tell you what’s true: WCC — Whoever Cares, Cares.

    Another Plus side: The wait to 2010 wont be filled with unbearable antici…pation!

    Matt from Ohio Says:

    May 14th, 2009 at 2:52 am

    Season 6 will be ALL the Losties in 2007 trying to help Richard/Jacob stop the Darkness, who will still be played by Terry O-Quinn. What a season it will be!”——————-

    Will it? I certainly hope so. The wait will not be as unbearable as it has seemed in the past. Too bad. I will look forward to taking up with old friends, but no longer harbor the expectation that in the end this will come to more than a cleverly written, and well acted entertainment. Carleton, Damon, writing crew… surprise me. I would like nothing more.

  2. Rich in Cleveland says:

    So, do we get a 2 hour podcast to correspond to the 2 hour finale? Maybe you get both sponsors on board because there’s going to be incredible demand judging by the number of posts so far.

    The head of the statue was definitely a crocodile. I got this from Wiki about Sobek:

    Sobek was the deification of crocodiles, as crocodiles were deeply feared in the nation so dependent on the Nile River. Egyptians who worked or travelled on the Nile hoped that if they prayed to Sobek, the crocodile god, he would protect them from being attacked by crocodiles.[1] The god Sobek, which was depicted as a crocodile or a man with the head of a crocodile was a powerful and frightening deity; in some Egyptian creation myths, it was Sobek who first came out of the waters of chaos to create the world.[1] As a creator god, he was occasionally linked with the sun god Ra

    Gradually, Sobek also came to symbolize the produce of the Nile and the fertility that it brought to the land; its status thus became more ambiguous.
    Sobek’s ambiguous nature led some Egyptians to believe that he was a repairer of evil that had been done, rather than a force for good in itself for example, going to Duat to restore damage done to the dead as a result of their form of death

  3. Steven says:

    Well said Ben!

    I agree, I thought this was one of the best episodes EVER.

    My threory:

    Jacob= White Smoke Monster (That Locke saw In Walkabout)

    Esau= Black Smoke Monster.

    Good vs Evil,

  4. Eva from Estonia says:

    to DocJKM – antici…pation:D:D Rocky Horror Picture Show?

    While I thoroughly enjoy everyone’s constructive critique and agree on most parts I’d like to remind you of something…

    Lost is a TV Show. The fact that a TV Show even makes us argue and think so heatedly is amazing. All the cultural references in it – hello, education.

    Our expectations as viewers are perhaps too high sometimes. After all, the show is only created by humans like us:P:P

    So lets critique and adore and watch and enjoy the whole thing. We might have to take a time jump to see another show we’re so passionate about once this one’s over.

    (Love reading your comments, everyone!)

  5. jamEs says:

    @James from LA I think the whole broader scope thing has occurred every season. Season 1 was pretty much a small section of the island from the viewpoint of a single person, hence the eye at the start of the episodes. Season 2 made you aware there were more people on this island then it originally appeared. Season 3 brought into focus the organizations and factions that divided the island, but you got a picture of the island as a whole. Season 4 finally pulled out beyond the island and brought into focus the battle to find and control the island by those in the outside world. Then season 5 has peeled back omnipotent beings that control the destinies of all those on the island. To tell you the truth I think next season does zoom out even further to omnipotent alien lifeforms. The Egyptian storyline definitely points me in that direction given how much mystery there was involved with the technology involved with creating the pyramids. I think the writers are working toward tying in alien lifeforms and technology aspect to an ancient Egyptian storyline all melted together. Wrapping up the story like that would definitely give them the leeway to explain a moving, time traveling island.

  6. Beth says:

    I was freaking out to realize that Rose and Bernard built Jacob’s cabin!

    And then I realized that no one else is mentioning it, which means I am probably wrong.

  7. Brennan from Hammond, LA says:

    I found the similarity between the deaths of Ed Burke and Nadia to be striking. Makes me think that Jacob was behind Burke’s death as well.

    And do we find a similarity between the way in which Ben and Charles can’t kill each other and the way in which Jacob and “Esau” can’t kill each other? The rules?

    Kudos to everybody who thought that Locke was still Dead!!

  8. Brennan from Hammond, LA says:

    And can we now think that Locke’s funny behavior with his shoes was important? Did he require Ben to take him to the other island?

  9. BenJacob says:

    Thinking about the whole Locke, Dark Locke, Anti-Jacob, got me started reflecting on any prior connections John had, or may have had, to Jacob and/or Esau. The earliest I can come up with for Locke is when Richard goes to test him as a foster child with the compass, comic book, knife, etc. Richard is looking around the room and notices a strange looking picture of the smoke monster and asks Locke if he drew it. He did draw it and the only reason I can imagine is that Esau had beaten Richard to see Locke and now John was seeing representations of Esau – in this case “smokey”.

    Esau must have been planning hundreds of moves ahead in this infinite chess-match.

    It happens again after John falls from the window and onto his back. Jacob shows up and says he’s “sorry this happened” and then vulcan-neck grabs him. Locke then goes through a long and arduos rehab where he is visited by Widmore’s right-hand man – Michael Abaddon – who tells him about the walkabout. (Theory – an angry, exhiled, embittered Widmore joined up with “Esau” and created the D.I.)

    “Esau” took an interest in Locke just as Jacob was checking up on him and evidently realized he had found a “loophole” to be able to kill Jacob.

    Dark Locke manipulates Richard to tell the real Locke, after getting shot by Ethan, to make sure he knows he’ll have to die. His death cleared the way for “Esau” to take his place in John’s skin and sneak right past all of Jacob’s people and get to Jacob.

    Amazing how long in advance this game has been set-up! As we’ve seen Jacob popping up in all of the Losties’ lives, it may be we eventually see how “Esau” has done the same. For some time people have been commenting how everyone who was on the plane was no coincidence. Now it seems more evident than ever that Jacob and “Esau” needed to replenish their game pieces.

  10. Crissy from California says:

    I’m mourning the loss of the real John Locke. I earnestly hoped he would find some acceptance and resolution before his life was over. It broke my heart when his lifeless body rolled out of the crate onto the sand.

  11. Paulo in Vancouver says:

    Season 5 Finale is awesome!! I love how the writters set up the final season. I am not surprised that they ended the season with the flash/blast as I prepared myself for a long grueling wait.

    I can see Sawyer becoming Jack’s nemesis after witnessing Juliet getting sucked in the hole and eventually dying. I also can see Jack playing a big role for pro-Jacobs. Jack will eventually be the leader as the “Incident” could potentially revive Jacob. Sawyer will be a resentful SOB and eventually be part of the anti-Jacobs.

    As for Kate, she will be just written off. Her character is poorly written and LOST is better than that.

    Can’t wait for the Final Season.

  12. HeyKir in NYC says:

    Any Lost cover bands out there…you totally need to cover Alice In Chains’ “Man In A Box” as “Locke In A Box” !

    You’re welcome. 🙂

  13. Liquidduck says:

    I loved the scene where Jin stated that Jacob’s Korean is excellent as there were stories at the beginning of the series that the actor’s Korean was poor.

  14. Robert A. Jones says:

    One question I have is “what was Ben’s Mother named?” The reason I asked is It would be ironic if it is “Rachael”. In the Old Testament of the Bible, Jacob youngest son’s name was, Benjamin, and his mother’s name was Rachael. Rachael died giving birth to Benjamin, her second son (Joseph was here 1st born).

    Jacob also had an Older Twin Brother named Esau. Esau was Isaac’s favorite and Jacob was Rebecca’s (Isaacs wife). Jacob eventlually went on to trick Isaac (with his mothers help into giving Jacob his “blessing ” which gives jacob dew from the heavens, fatness of the earth, and rulership over many nations, which includes his brother Esau. Esau comes back after the blessing is done and ask Issac for another blessing for himself, but Isaac does not and tells him “By your sword you shall live, but your brother you shall serve; yet it shall be that when you are aggrieved, you may cast off his yoke from upon your neck” (Genesis 27:39-40). This causes Esau to Hate his brother and gives him the desire to avenge his birthright and blessing once his father dies.

    I really dont believe that the Jacob and “the other man” (Esau) are based soley on the Old Testament account, as some believe that the Old Testament account of Jacob and Esau are loosely based on an Egyptian legend known as The Contention of Horus and Set.

    My two cents worth. 🙂

  15. John Fischer says:

    Some folks are upset about all of the religious symbolism in Lost, but Lost is not about any one religion, it is about all religions.

    Almost every religion that has ever existed has forces that work for good and forces that work for evil. The Egyptians, the Greeks, the Romans, Jews, Christians, Muslims etc.

    We have Jacob and Esau, Archangel Michael and Satan, Horus and Set, Zeus and the Titans, and many, many others. Perhaps they are all the same, just interpreted and represented by various religions in different ways.

    Jacob and the other entity represent those eternal forces that are fighting for the soul of men. Jacob believes in the inherent good in man. He believes man can find redemption. The other entity believes that man is inherently evil and that evil will prevail.

    The island is their private battleground where they have brought men for all time to test them.

    This is why Lost mixes religious motifs – all religions are basically one religion, just with different interpretations of God and the battle of good versus evil.

  16. John in Texas says:

    Jen/Ryan,

    Absolutely love the podcast, and can’t wait to hear the podcast for The Incident.

    I really like the idea of looking at the whole story as a chess game between good and evil, and it appears at this point that Jacob represents Good and the Anti-Jacob represents Evil. Along the lines of it being a game between the two, from the episode it appears that Jacob has the ability or at least the interest in selecting participants. For example, he led the Black Rock to the Island, as well as Flight 815 passengers (and even influenced Ajira 316 passengers as we saw with Hurley).

    The Anti-Jacob appears to focus on influencing the island inhabitants to see if he can bring them over to the dark side. He is frustrated with Jacob wanting to continually play the game as he tells Jacob that it always ends the same. Thus he wants to kill Jacob to end the games.

    I believe that Jacob has obviously known for some time that the Anti-Jacob had found a loophole, and thus he knew what eventually would happen. He goaded Ben into killing him, even stepping closer to him prior to Ben stabbing him with the knife. We also saw the flashback of Jacob asking Ilana for help, although we weren’t given an indication of when and where that request for help happened.

    Who exactly was in the cabin is a question that could be played several ways. I tend to think that it was the Anti-Jacob that was trapped or caught in the cabin for some period of time. Ben thought that was the real Jacob, and was obviously jealous of Richard communication with Jacob, although Richard was in fact communicating with the real Jacob, located “in the shadow of the statue.”

    I don’t believe the bomb exploded and instead the drilling and release of the energy led to one last time shift. A thought I had is that Sayid didn’t set the bomb to explode on impact, but instead put a delay. Perhaps a 108 minute delay?

    I believe we will see the Dark/Dead Locke be the representation of the Anti-Jacob throughout Season 6, as the good side looks for a “candidate” to take the place of Jacob. I’m guessing it will be Jack, setting up continued friction and battles between Jack and Locke, but now on a grander scale. Ben will be interesting to watch, as he clearly succumbed to the Evil/Anti-Jacob influence, but will he redeem himself, or suffer guilt for realizing what he did by killing Jacob?

    A final thought (if that’s really possible) is that it would not surprise me at all that we find out Widmore ends up being on the Good side, as the show constantly provides us character twists.

    Overall, I thought it was a great finale!

  17. John Fischer says:

    John in Texas said:

    “I believe that Jacob has obviously known for some time that the Anti-Jacob had found a loophole, and thus he knew what eventually would happen. He goaded Ben into killing him, even stepping closer to him prior to Ben stabbing him with the knife. We also saw the flashback of Jacob asking Ilana for help, although we weren’t given an indication of when and where that request for help happened.”

    Excellent thought. I agree. What if the favor that Jacob asked of Ilana was to bring the real Locke’s body to him. If he knew that Ben would kill him, perhaps his soul in the form of a white smoke monster will inhabit the body that is sitting right outside the statue. He needs a new body to inhabit. Heck we could have the sides of good and evil both personified by Locke.

  18. Jesse Again says:

    Wow… I get home from work and see another 100 posts…
    after reading through them all there’s no way i can comment on everything…
    but there are some amazing theories out there.

    I’m gonna have to watch parts of it again before posting.

  19. ShannyMac says:

    All the classic things you come to expect in a season finale. I laughed, I cried, got angry, got happy and was plain confused. I guess I am angry at the first 5 mts. of the show. I’m not happy when any new people turn up, period. But, to have two new people show up that seem to negate the people we spent years trying to figure out is just plain crappy. I will buy into it all out of my pure love of the show but I would not call this a season finale suitable for this AMAZING season of Lost. I know Jacob is not “new” so to say but his role in all of this is new to me and now he is “dead”. And I feel “lost” without having the possibility of Locke being alive and being OUR Locke. I can’t do Lost w/out Locke. I need Locke. Lost needs Locke. Dark Locke = grrrrr. Well, my plan is to rewatch again and again, listen to Ryan & Jen and then.. u got it rewatch again.

    p.s. cried like a baby when juliette & sawyer said “goodbye” I am not so much a fan of these two and I am sure not a fan of Sawyer & Kate, but that’s probably because I just want James Ford all to myself….

  20. christy in TX says:

    @John Fischer – I LOVE the idea that Locke’s real corpse needed to be brought to the statue for Jacob to take form of when he was killed. That is truly a novel idea. Maybe this re-sets the game of one side vs. the other again, etc.
    I wondered how Jacob knew once Ben and DeadLocke walked in that DeadLocke was the loophole guy?
    8 months is WAY too long to have to contemplate such things.

  21. Zhami says:

    SOKO: yes, yes, yes!!! We fans demand answers to aspects of the story that are irrelevant, and we get silly answers.

  22. Zhami says:

    I don’t believe the bomb detonated. We know that the Swan will exist, so the site does not get destroyed. Darlton have continually telegraphed to us their model of time travel: Whatever Happened Happened. And their model of life/death: Dead is Dead. Yet so many people (the “Faith” camp) keep on disbelieving the evidence right in front of them (cf, the “Science” camp). The white flash we see at the end is not from a nuclear detonation, but the same sort of time travel white flash we have before seen. Just where the Losties end up is open to speculation, and I will refrain from just that speculation just now (as if there is only a single “now) — lol). btw: a plutonium core can not be detonated by banging on it.

    Some nuclear weapons physics: A hydrogen bomb releases the energy of nuclear fusion, that is the pressing together of the nuclear cores of atoms. That’s why it is called a “nuclear” bomb. An atom bomb (like the U.S. exploded over Nagasaki and Hiroshima in WW II) is puny be comparison, for it is a fissile explosion resulting from the fission (splitting) of some heavyweight atoms (uranium). In stark contrast, an “H-bomb” is a Hydrogen bomb because it fuses the simplest nuclear construct – that of the hydrogen atom. Fusion is the energy generation mechanism of the sun and stars. The immense gravity at the core of a massive entity like a star drives the fusion process. To detonate a nuclear (fusion; H) bomb requires similarly immense compressive force. In fact, the way an H-bomb works is to first explode an atom bomb, and directs its energy inward to cause the fusion to occur. A hydrogen bombs outer body is a containment vessel that redirects the outward energy inward. Pretty darn amazing, huh? Anyway, without such mechanisms in place, Juliet can not detonate a plutonium core.

    I have many other thoughts, quite lengthy, that can be reached here: http://tr.im/lnmE

    Namaste.

  23. Steph W says:

    Woohoo, what a finale! I really enjoyed it overall, despite some clunky moments. The parts I didn’t care for were how Rose, Bernard and Vincent were just kinda conveniently thrown in there to appease all the people who were wondering what happened to them, and also the tiresome love quardrangle-thingy. But I’d say that was like maybe 10% of the eppie; I very much enjoyed the rest of it.

    The introduction of the anti-jacob was totally intriguing, and I like how the whole scope of the struggle on the island changed. There was mention on a previous comment of how this whole story is like a camera that keeps panning further and further back to show the bigger picture, and I think that’s a very apt analogy. I am so excited for season 6. I have faith that this will all be resolved in a satisfactory fashion; they know all the pitfalls they have to avoid (the patrick duffy in the shower, twin peaks, yadda yadda yadda) and I think they will avoid them. And let’s not forget they’re working with the handicap of having these truncated seasons. Cut ’em a little slack–the show is kickass overall, else we’d not be watching and getting all obsessed over it. Thanks so much for this blog and podcast, Ryan and Jen!

  24. Amber from Utah says:

    I don’t remember who said, it up there ^^, but who ever said that Jacob and {nameless evil guy} are Jacob and Esau…. I COMPLETELY agree. I always knew that the name Jacob couldn’t just be a random name. … You know, I’ll just make a list:

    -Jacob and Esau. Plain as day. That doesn’t explain WHAT the Island is, though.

    -Since the beginning, when we first heard Jacob’s name, I knew it couldn’t just be a name. I knew it was a Biblical reference.

    -Everyone seems to think Jacob is evil for manipulating the lives of the Losties. But I don’t think so. I think he knew that they could help him. I still think it was his eye we saw, with the “help me.” He knew they could help him, so he came into their lives at a crucial point to get them to come to the Island.

    – When (the real) John Locke fell from the building, I’m pretty sure he was dead. It wasn’t until Jacob touched him that he woke up, and from then on was paralyzed. Since I think Jacob is the Jacob/Israel from the Bible, he probably could have had that power. In the Old Testament, prophets have the power to heal the sick, just as Christ had in the New Testament.

    – All the Losties are assuming that they’ll get blasted to 2004 and land at LAX, safe and sound, but Daniel didn’t say that exactly. He just said it will make it so none of this ever happens. He never said where they’d end up.

    – If the time blasting works, Juliet and Sayid won’t be dead. I’m crossing my fingers with all I’ve got.

  25. Lorne says:

    I haven’t read all the comments, and I apologize if I’m re-iterating, but after reading the main blog post, it kinda popped into my head that the writers might be using one of the oldest plots around – Love conquers all.
    In a battle of Good vs. Evil, it’s usually the power of love that tips the balance towards good, and surprises evil that humans can harness that emotion into power. The most recent example for me is Harry Potter, and watching Juliet’s sacrifice, and the para-love-agram, I think it will be a driving force in Season 6, including love between mother/father and children.

  26. MLE in Colorado says:

    @Zhami Wow you are a smart one! And because of that I am going to thoughtfully consider that the bomb was not in fact detonated and there was a time travel that perhaps occurred when Jacob was killed…

  27. TVSciFi says:

    If Lost turns out to be two guys playing a video game, I’ll be very disappointed.

  28. Jennifer says:

    As far as the cabin goes… several people have said that they think Dark Locke was imitating Jacob and feeding Ben info…. but Ben admitted in this episode that he has never seen OR heard from Jacob. I think Jacob has been in the cabin all along – that he is trapped there by the ash… and that this ash is from the fire pit where he died. Dark Locke traps Jacob in the cabin with the circle of ash, ashes that are comprised of Jacob’s “body.”

    OR… someone else uses this ash circle to protect Jacob from Dark Locke, because wasn’t it shown before that the ash circle barred entry of the smoke monster (which we now believe is Dark Locke?)

    And, where is Claire? I think she must be dead now, and died in that explosion a ways back…. but as someone else asked – can Dark Locke really imitate two people/bodies at one time? (Christian and Claire in the cabin?). Does anyone think Jacob = Christian and Dark Locke = Claire?

    The shout out to Rose and Bernard, and Vincent, I guess was necessary (as was that brief scene with Walt), but it was an annoying way to essentially write off the characters (“here they are, stop asking about them”) nonetheless.

  29. Jesse Again says:

    Ok after watching parts of the finale again…
    I tried really hard to look for meaning in Locke’s character now..
    but I really think they did all sorts of horrible things to this poor guy.

    He spends his entire youth picked on and made fun of, he spends his adult life in bad jobs, getting conned and manipulated by his dad, and then he get paralyzed and made fun of becuase of his dream to be something better than himself – a poor old cripple.

    THEN, he makes it onto the island, has the ability to walk, spends the first season being a mysterious character who believes so deeply in the power of the island he’s willing to watch a young man die to open a hatch, press a button every 108 minutes and then…
    he loses his faith, only to be proven wrong.
    He embarks on a quest to get it back and just when he believes in himself again and is told he’s the one (by what I assume was AJ) is shot by Ben..
    falls into a pit and thinks he’s dead…
    all is lost..
    BUT WAIT, walt (AJ again) shows up and inspires him to keep going. Locke continues on to become the new leader of the others….but it’s all just been a giant long con by AJ…
    and Locke’s character, which started as a mysterious force of faith and belief is reduced to a duped over zealous idiot who got conned just cause he wanted to believe his life’s hardships actually were for some purpose.

    THAT IS LAME.

    My two favorite characters (Locke and Ben) are now reduced to complete moron who and patsy for some evil smoke monster…

    LAME.

  30. Glenn - Just curious says:

    @John Fischer – good theory, I like it. But we have to think about what makes John Locke so special that Dark Locke or Jacob would want to possess his body?
    What is the loophole that allows/makes him to take Lockes body?…whatever it is, the loophole also meant that Ben, (or maybe any of the former leaders) would have to come back to the island to kill Jacob…I don’t know – just curious 🙂

  31. Lorne says:

    Also, is Lapedis going to be a vessel for Jacob? Weren’t Brahm and Illana discussing something like that about Lapedis?

  32. Jennifer says:

    Tried posting this before, and it didn’t seem to go through…

    In regards to the cabin… a few people have said that they think it was Dark Locke in the cabin, pretending to be Jacob and giving Ben information – but didn’t Ben admit in this episode that he had never actually seen OR heard anything from Jacob?

    I think that maybe the ashes in the circle around the cabin come from the fire pit that Jacob was pushed into, hence, the ashes are from Jacob’s “body. If so, then the question is – did Dark Locke put (or have someone else put) that circle there to keep Jacob trapped inside the cabin (hence, his plea to real Locke – “help me”), OR did one of Jacob’s followers put the ash circle around the cabin to protect Jacob, as I seem to remember that the main purpose of the circle was to prevent the smoke monster from entering? I’m not sure about the last part though – does anyone else remember?

    And does anyone have any theories why Ilana would want to burn the cabin down? The way she took the scrap of material that was hanging on the wall…she seemed angry, so I would guess maybe that scrap was placed there by Dark Locke as a taunt of some sort. But I also don’t know why they wouldn’t have known about Jacob living in the statue all along and why they would have gone to the cabin in the first place?

    Interesting idea about Jacob needing real Locke’s body close-by so that he could use it after he was killed… but I don’t think he knew for sure he was going to die. He gave Ben a choice – which seems like it’s a choice he’s given to every leader over the course of time – and that he has to let them do what they will (not defend himself), but Ben was the first one to actually kill him? Or do we think the leaders always choose to kill him? I have a hard time seeing that they would have both Dark Locke and Jacob inhabiting (or imitating) Locke’s body – having two of the same people running around would just be unnecessarily confusing. I do agree though, what a sad life for poor real Locke’s if this truly was his end.

  33. Bill says:

    I don’t think Locke is smokey. Locke in 2007 don’t known that Ben seen Alex in the templeish place. If he was smokey he should remember talking to Ben as Alex.

  34. Knives Monroe says:

    After reading every comment thus far more than twice I still say this was the greatest episode of LOST.

  35. LisaDodd says:

    Last two numbers on the license plate on truck little Katie is leaning on before going into the store is 23. Anyone else see any other numbers? Is there a specific number associated with each Lostie?

  36. Jack in Tokyo says:

    When the guys carrying the “Locke-box” came to the now long deserted cabin, was that a portrait of Vincent on the wall??

  37. Lauren from Parma says:

    A classic Good Vs Evil Theory

    The scene at the beginning is reminiscent of the book of Job in the Bible where God is having a conversation with Satan.

    Jacob says: ”It only ends once, any thing that happens before that is just progress.” Similar to scenes in the book of Revelation. Where God has a plan for mankind, that man will ultimately be judged for their words and actions and he will ultimately destroy evil and Satan.

    Interesting that Jacob in the opening scene was dressed in white and other man (Satan) in black.

    During the episode Jacob is almost Omnipresent, turning up and aiding people. Like in the scene with Kate where she gets caught in the convenience store and he says “Your not going to steal anymore, are you?” and she says no and then Jacob says, “Be Good Katie”

    In the scene with Locke, Jacob touches his dead body after the fall from the window and brings him back to life.

    Jacob tells Hurley he has a choice. “ its your choice Hugo, You don’t have to do anything you don’t want to.”

    And the end scene with Ben, Jacob tells Ben that he has a choice. Pretty much how the Bible describes our interaction with life. We have free will; we can choose to be good or bad.

    Omnipotent or all powerful clues:
    In Ben’s conversation with Sun. Sun asks, “What is Jacob like? Ben says, he is in charge of this Island.

    Omniscient or all knowing clues:
    In the opening scene: Man in black asks; “Do you have any idea how badly I want to kill you?” Jacob says “yes”, in a very calm voice. Man in black, “One of these days sooner or later I am going to find a loophole my friend.” Jacob answers, “Well when you do I will be right here.”
    Jacob answers in an all knowing, Omniscient way, stating he knows how badly the man in Black (Satan) wants to kill him and with no fear, states “well I will be right here when you find the loophole.”

    Richard does not age because of Jacob. Maybe Richard is one of Jacob’s (or God’s) angels. I think it was stated in an earlier episode that Richard’s role is to help guide, like an angel usually does.

    Ok so those are my thoughts. I really don’t see the show following the Bible’s exact version of Good vs. Evil to a T, but you cannot deny that some of these similarities exist.

  38. Rich in Cleveland says:

    @MLE
    What was I thinking calling the inclusion of the rainbow a fortunate accident?? There’s no such thing on Lost. I was only recently contending the inclusion of the Rainbow drive-in had symbolic significance. Combine this with young Faraday playing “I’m Alaways Chasing Rainbows” on the piano and you can begin to plot out a theme. My interest derives more from physics and the properties of light via Faraday’ studies (light is only an electromagnetic wave, you know. Is this the white flash at the release of the pocket of eenergy beneath the swan?), but the story of the destruction of the world and the subsequent salvation is certainly more applicable here.

  39. AnnLouise says:

    I so hope that Jack’s reset button doesn’t work, partly because I just couldn’t buy Jack’s “man of faith” persona. As bad as parts of the past three years have been, Jack’s grown so much from the man we’ve seen in the flashbacks. Kate loved Aaron – she became a mom and developed.

    So many of the people on the island were there to face demons or themselves, and to have all of that wiped out would be the one thing that would make me wonder why I spent the previous years getting involved with these characters. Jack’s insistence on wiping that all out – and Kate and Juliet’s rather mystifying agreement with him – just did not ring true for me.
    But will introducing these characters take the focus even farther away from our Losties? That’s the second false note of the finale – this big a reveal Lost to too good a show to have characters as simplistic as Jacob Good, Esau Bad; their struggle is so much more interesting if they’re more complex. But not if they end up gobbling up the screen time.

  40. Dave says:

    Goodness gracious… I read through about 200 posts and I still have a long wway to go. I’d love to contribute to the discussion but can’t imagine that many people are still slogging through this!

    Just a few thoughts to brain dump.

    – I can’t agree with the “this was the best episode ever” advocates. The season 3 finale was the biggest mind-blower that I think we’ve seen. This was a very good episode, very entertaining, but best ever? Really? I know it’s a subjective thing but this probably wasn’t even in the top three of this season.

    – The casting of Jacob was inspired. Just ominous and benevolent and bemused enough to work. Interestingly the actor’s name is not on IMDB yet.

    – LOVED Jacob’s interactions with the O6, especially with Jack after his surgery… maybe it just needed a little push. There is love and compassion in all of these interactions, but nothing heavy-handed. He is the true God/Jesus figure here and he NAILS it.

    – All the foreshadowing of a reanimated John Locke scaring the hell out of people turned out to be spot-on.

    – Agree with all the posters above that “Esau” is the dark or Satan character. I also strongly agree that he is the Smoke Monster. Hear me out on this one. In the story of Esau and Jacob (from what I remember from Sunday school and read on Wikipedia), Jacob is convinced to disguise himself as Esau to get their father’s blessing. (Jacob does not want to be deceptive but gets cajoled into it.) Jacob then gets blessed in place of Esau, which angers Esau, but Isaac seems to say, “hey, I kind of think he deserves it anyway.” So Esau wants to kill Jacob. Now, Mr Eko became a “pious” man by assuming the garb or a priest, even though Yemi was truly pious and Eko was undeserving. Maybe that’s why Smokey kills Eko; Eko is too much like Jacob. And Smokey lets Locke live so that he can use him down the line once he learns what he needs. Maybe that’s also why Smokey lets Ben live… he knows Ben will be angry and vengeful enough to lash out at Jacob and be the agent who kills him.

    – Along those lines, there must be some parable in religion about the man who gets anrgy, as Ben did, for all he ever hears about his how great God/Jesus is, and in a fit of self-aggrandization asks God/Jesus, “what about me?” (I believe this is best described in the 1982 one hit wonder by Moving Pictures. 😉 ) God/Jesus asks “wjat about you,” with bemusement that any human thinks they are better than any other, and then Ben loses it. (Okay, maybe there’s no parable, but I got to work in a cool 80s reference.)

    – Weren’t Adam and Eve found in a cave? Why would Rose & Bernard leave their shelter and go to a cave?

    – Interesting comment by Darlton in the 8-9 pm hour about how Richard is the only person in both 1977 and 2007 simultaneously. Not sure what it means, though.

    – I agree with all the commenters above about the callback to Walt and Locke’s backgammon game. Very cool.

    – The “infinite loop” idea rears its ugly head again. Just because every time a group shows up on the island, anarchy rules and people die DOES NOT mean it’s a TIME LOOP. Evolution was a series of mistakes and until you get the right outcome, you begin again from scratch. That doesn’t make it a time loop (e.g. going from 1977 to 2007 and back again). Over hundreds of years, new people show up and F up and die and then they lather, rinse, and repeat.

    – I was sad to see Juliet go but I bet she’ll be back. The ending of this episode leaves almost everything as a possibility, and given how each season thus far has begun I’d say the only thing that’s certain is that nothing is certain.

    Here’s to the zombie season.

  41. ACM In NYC says:

    The statue is definitely Sobek, the Egyptian crocodile god. The statue is it to a tee including the Ankh in its hand. And the key here, I believe, is the bible story of Jacob and Esau, which paralleled the Jacob and man in black characters. I was swayed most of all by the promise of Esau to kill Jacob in the biblical story. The narrative also fits – the two nations, one always bettering the other to the each of the sides (Widmore vs. Ben); the looming apocalypse forshadowed by Hawking, Widmore and others to the Jacob house and the Esau house battle at the end of days, with the Esau house utterly defeated; and the possible parallel of Jacob’s ladder. Interesting stuff and no doubt deepest on TV.

  42. lucydog33 says:

    So, if Jacob is the one who kept Richard from not aging, now that Jacob is “dead” will Richard come back as an old man? or not at all as he would be nothing but dust at that point?

    also the people Hurley saw (one on the island the others post-island) were they his imagination/sickness or was it the Anti-Jacob? Was the Anti-Jacob Christian on and off the island? Eko’s Brother? Kate’s Horse? The “Walt” Shannon saw before she died?

    I cannot get my brain around the entire finale, but I do think the episode is the game changer as promised. I also think it is probably very possible we will be seeing some of the dead “survivors,” like Charlie, Boone, et al.

    So many questions…I think in the end we will be very happy with the finale of this wonderful show.

  43. aaronavilla says:

    some thoughts on Locke…

    Locke has always had such a huge following of fans on the internet. I think a lot of people wanted Locke to succeed because they see a little bit of themselves in Locke in that we all want to believe that we have a greater purpose and that one day we will be rewarded for all our suffering and sacrifice. i think that it’s because of this that so many people are unhappy with the fact that Locke turned out to be just a tool in the end. I’ve always sided with the “man of science” side of the argument and I find it all to be very enjoyable! of course, we still have all of next season for faith to win out.

  44. Dave in AL says:

    @Becky from MI,
    – My screen didn’t go black, but a different program was broadcast, like someone flipped the wrong switch. I went back to see where it occurred but haven’t been able to find it, but it was with a scene with Jacob.

    @Jack in Tokyo,
    – I thought the picture in the cabin was of Vincent too.

    – Rose and Bernard’s cabin did remind me of Jacob’s cabin, but didn’t Horace build Jacob’s cabin? I don’t think they’re the same.

    – Looking forward to another outstanding podcast!

  45. Jack in Tokyo says:

    @ Dave in AL,

    Good point Dave, if it was Rose & Bernards cabin, that could explain the dog in the portrait that looks like Vincent, maybe Bernard took up painting and wanted something to paint! Otherwise if it was Jacob’s cabin, then I guess our Vincent is a very important pooch indeed 😉

  46. Ron St.Amant says:

    If it was something about the Oceanic 815 survivors arriving that was different, perhaps it is that they seem to be the first people who have come to the island and not seemed as though they wish to possess it or use it for their own ends. The ‘progress’ that Jacob talks about might be that the Oceanic 815 survivors have actually tried to use the island to confront the things about their lives that necessitated (perhaps in Jacob’s eyes) coming to the island in the first place- to use the island’s healing energies, and challenges, to better themselves.

  47. arbitrary says:

    Pausing reading the comments to post.

    For everyone going all Jacob/Esau, it might also be worth pointing out that in the Bible Benjamin was Jacob’s youngest son, his favourite after Joseph, and his name means ‘Son of my Right Arm’, Benjamin’s mother also died in childbirth. Just saying ;p (ok, so sue me, having the name Rebecca and going to Jewish schools all my life gave me a certain knowledge of these things).

    Also…with regards to anagrams, was it just me that found the chocolate bars next to the Apollo bar had weird names? I’m guessing they might be anagram-tastic, but I don’t have the energy to go look for myself right now.

    Back to reading comments…

  48. arbitrary says:

    but to add, I like the Sobek and Egyptian connections a bit more than an old testament view

  49. Mark in Vienna says:

    I feel that this episode should have been titled “Jacob, we hardly new ye”.
    Are we going to see nothing more of Jacob other than in flashbacks?

    There were not a lot of surprises in this episode.
    Jack and Sayid are not doing well in a gunfight (like Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid) and a VW van comes speeding into the picture. Was it a surprise that Hurley was driving?
    Jacob is sitting on a bench and someone falls from an upper story window to the ground behind him. It would have been a shock if it wasn’t Locke.
    Who didn’t know that Dr. Pierre Chang would lose and arm?
    I suppose that Locke being dead was supposed to be a shock. But how many times were we told that “dead is dead”? Ben told us. (I know, he lies a lot.) Carlton Cruse and Damon Lindelof told us. They even named an episode Dead is Dead. I’ve questioned the appearance of Locke alive on the island since Ajira 316. And then the way the camera pans over the opened crate from 316’s cargo hold to reveal it’s contents could hardly have left any surprise.

    There is one reason that I’m glad that Locke’s death was confirmed. Many people were concerned about the origin and final disposition of the compass. To me the compass was trivial. More important, was the origin of the idea that Locke must die to get all the others to return to the island. It would appear that Richard Alpert told this to Locke who told Richard who told… Now it’s clear that Jacob’s enemy, impersonating Locke, told Richard to tell this to Locke, and there it ends.

    What did we learn about the four-toed statue? Nothing other than it was still standing in the days of the Block Rock. And, maybe, that Ben knows something about when it was destroyed.

    Then there were some noticeable script errors.
    First, Richard, Eloise, Jack, and Sayid entered the tunnels last week and lit their way with torches. This week they were using lanterns.
    Also, Daniel Faraday stated that his calculations demonstrated that the way to neutralize the unstable energy that would be released was to detonate the H-bomb. However, Jack and Sayid never attempted to detonate the H-bomb. Instead, they removed the detonator, which is a less powerful A-bomb, and detonated that at the Swan station.
    Before Sayid removed the detonator from the bomb, he stated that they had only about two hours to get it to the Swan station. After this, we see Sawyer, Juliet, and Kate perform their jail break, paddle ashore, chat with Rose and Bernard and then set off for the Swan station five miles away. Five miles, on foot, through the jungle, in less than two hours. Who writes this stuff? The same people who get Jack Bauer across Los Angeles, in heavy traffic?
    But the most glaring error was when the van with Hurley, Jack, Sayid, Jin and Miles is stopped by Sawyer, Juliet, and Kate. Sayid was critically shot and Jack was fighting to save his life. Sawyer says he wants five minutes to talk to Jack and Jack agrees. ??? Jack should have said in five minutes Sayid would be dead and he didn’t have the time to talk with Sawyer.

    We learned a few things: what was in the crate Ilana’s people were carrying, that “dead is dead” really does apply to Locke, how Pierre Chang lost his arm, what happened to Rose and Bernard, and that Jacob has visited many of our Losties off the island.
    But more questions were introduced.
    What is Jacob’s history?
    Who is his enemy and why does he want to kill Jacob?
    What is the loophole?
    For that matter, what is the loophole in?
    What is the significance of the ash trail at Jacob’s cabin.
    Why did Ilana burn Jacob’s cabin?
    What is her relationship to Jacob?
    What is Frank Lapidus a candidate for
    All in all, I feel more questions were raised than were answered.

    But the centric part of the episode was Jacob. And his encounters off-island with eight of out 815 survivors were interesting. (Eight is also the number of times that Juliet had to strike the bomb before it detonated. But I digress.)
    Kate, Sawyer, Jack, Locke, Sun, and Jin he encountered before the crash of flight 815. The encounters with Hugo and Sayid were after the rescue of the Oceanic Six.
    He asked Kate to promise not to steal any more. She promised, but she certainly didn’t keep that promise.
    Sawyer, after the encounter, was asked by his uncle to promise not to finish the letter. He promised, but didn’t keep that promise.
    Jacob was present when Jin and Sun made their wedding vows, which weren’t kept.
    But after this, I can’t extend the pattern.
    Jack was approached after performing surgery. But this wasn’t the surgery on Sarah when he had promised he would fix her.
    Nor were there any promises made surrounding Jacob’s visits to Lock, Sayid, or Hurley.
    After Jacob’s encounters with Kate and Sawyer, the promises stood out like a sore thumb. I am quite surprised that the pattern wasn’t continued, at least for Jack and Locke who were encountered pre-815.

    Sawyer, again, finds himself out at sea trying to make it back to the island.

    I suspect that we have now seen the last of Rose and Bernard. After all the clamor made by fans about wanting to see Nikki and Paulo, they were produced and dispensed with. I suspect the same is true for Rose and Bernard except that they’ll be left to a peaceful retirement.

  50. Mark in Vienna says:

    I also wonder about Eloise’s role in everything. She said it was necessary to return to the island with Locke’s body and this appears to be what enabled Jacob’s enemy to assume Locke’s likeness and create the loophole. Did Eloise have a knowing part in this?

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