Next: “LaFleur” (Episode 5×08)

I liked this episode more than I probably should have. And Jen? She says “LaFleur” is comfortably within her top ten favorite episodes of “LOST” ever. While I wouldn’t go quite that far, obviously “LaFleur” clicked for us — even when it probably shouldn’t. After all, last week’s episode only covered a couple of weeks, chronologically, yet felt both rushed and by-the-numbers. Tonight we get an episode that not only spans three years, but jumps back and forth relentlessly. It played games with our expectations, and it gave us even more new characters. But somehow it worked. It had heart. It had velocity. It had everything from the four-toed statue (sort of) to Jin speaking English. And Sawyer? Why hasn’t this guy been in charge from the beginning?

While we’re largely treated to a Dharma Initiative history lesson, the shadows of the larger arc are always looming. Faraday promising himself that he “won’t tell her” (hoping to prove false his assertion that “whatever happened, happened”) to the fantastic encounter with the mysterious Richard Alpert. Juliet reminds us that her people, her time, were post-Dharma… and that both “The Incident” and “The Purge” lay ahead.

But the character interactions were the best part of “LaFleur.” And Josh Holloway sold every scene. From blowing Richard Alpert’s mind to settling down with Juliet, from selling Horace a tall tale to rising to be the town sheriff, Sawyer shined. I lamented, when we saw Sawyer and Juliet spooning in bed, that we were moments away from Kate showing up and ruining it all. And when Sawyer finally saw Kate step out of Jin’s van, Jen said, “If Sawyer leaves Juliet for Kate now, I’m going to stop watching.”

Well, not really. But it’s surely a testament to the performances of both Josh Holloway and Elizabeth Mitchell (who looks great as a mechanic, by the way) that we needed only that scene on the dock by the sub to believe just how well things worked out for them “three years later.” One episode sold them as a couple. While the “love triangle” (or quadrangle or whatever) will inevitably return, for the moment I’d like to pretend it won’t.

There are more than a few questions raised by “LeFleur,” of course. Why did Alpert want Paul’s body? The Island obviously works some magic with the deceased. Where does the smoke monster fit in? Alpert suggests with some dismay that the sonic fence is an effective deterrent, so perhaps it’s working in concert with the hostiles. Do we know who Horace and Amy’s son is? Jen’s of the opinion we haven’t met him yet, which is less satisfying but opens up more possibilities. I guess, if you believe Daniel, the baby was always meant to be born, but part of me likes the idea that Juliet’s intervention did change something… for better or worse.

Notes and Notions:

  • The mention of “The Black Rock” was great, too. Though now I’m wondering where Charles Widmore is by this time. He said his people protected the island for three decades before Ben exiled him. If that period began around when we first met him as a young whippersnapper in the 1950s, he could conceivably still be around in the 1970s. Right?
  • Loved the “needle drop” using the reel-to-reel tape player (“Candida” by Tony Orlando & Dawn). How many more music playback devices are left?
  • I really enjoyed Miles’ snarkiness this episode, especially as Sawyer had to mostly elevate himself to leading man. His complaint about “the only two plans” (the beach vs. the Orchid) was quite apt.
  • The Ankh necklace that Amy saved from Paul was a nice touch of symbolism. Signifying “eternal life,” its Egyptian roots also line up nicely with the motifs suggested by the back of the statue.
  • Sawyer was overflowing with nicknames, but Jen’s favorite was “Enos,” which is a “Dukes of Hazzard” reference.
  • Jen was also happy to see Kevin Rankin, who plays Herc on one of our other favorite shows, “Friday Night Lights.”
  • So Horace and Amy had a baby. But what happened to Olivia, the woman Horace was with when they discovered Ben’s mother in Portland?

What did you think? Please comment below, send us an e-mail at lost@hawaiiup.com, or call the LostLine at (808) 356-0127 by Friday, March 6.

214 Responses to “Next: “LaFleur” (Episode 5×08)”

  1. Dave says:

    Um, well that was interesting.
    Liked it a lot. Harkening back to TL&DOJB in pop-up, though… Locke *definitely* has FIVE toes, and we see his right foot (but the statue’s left).

  2. Angela says:

    Crackpot theory…

    Horace’s son, Jacob.

  3. Dave says:

    Just a reminder, if you’re not on the east coast and you’re reading this before you see the episode, don’t call me a spoiler. I’m not makig anyone read this early. 😉

    I am so intrigued to see how the writers will resolve all of this. But I really like the episode.

    I *love* the idea, suggested by several posters in the past and essentially confirmed here, that the Losties make their own mythology. Sawyer heard of the Black Rock and mentioned it to Alpert who may have mentioned it to Widmore and bred his fascination. Sawyer tells Alpert he saw Jughead and is waiting for Locke the savior. Saywer/LaFleur helps stave off what is likely the purge. Very Donnie Darko/predestination paradox/”course correcting.”

    Can’t wait to see who Paul and Amy’s child winds up being…
    And Jin *can* speak English (though Charlotte probably will not be the one whwo teaches him) and Daniel *does* see Charlotte. Just wow.

  4. Dana says:

    OH MY GOSH. One of the most incredible/confusing episode ever. I loved it! So first of all what was the huge statue of in the beginning? I’m guessing the four foot statue? Any possible ideas for who the baby boy who was born in 1977? Best reunion ever; I teared up. Cant wait to hear the podcast and any theory’s.

  5. John says:

    Hands down the best episode of the year. We get to see the statue, the end of the flashes, LaFleur, Alpert, the whole LaFleur and Juliet tease finally pay-off, great character development for Sawyer, and reunion. Too much to digest in one hour!

  6. Faith says:

    Wonderful episode. I love the sci-fi mystery stuff, but I love the character driven episodes as well.

    I really didn’t want Juliet and Sawyer to get together…until I saw them together. They work. It makes me happy. Now, if we can keep Kate & Jack from screwing the whole thing up, we’ll all be fine!

    I’m curious about Paul & Amy’s baby as well. I don’t want him to be Daniel, but he seems to be the most likely candidate. If it is Daniel, I’m going to say that Richard Alpert steals him and Eloise raises him as her own.

  7. Dave says:

    A few other semi-random thoughts:

    – Jack goes from greying stubble to a thick black beard in a very short period. Sawyer now magically has a wicked dark beard. Strange tonsorial happenings on the island.
    – Yet another stolen “24” cast member in Reyko Aylesworth, with there now being at least four (Des, Jin, Juliet’s ex-husband, and, her).
    – Color me a fan of the “Sawliet”s. They are sort of the anti-Jates (female doc and male con man). The four way love triangle should get messy. Sawyer has really stepped it up though and I wonder with the foot injury and flowing hair on the four-toed statue (and his killing his parents’ killer/the real Sawyer/Locke’s dad) and his apparition to Alpert if he won’t be the colossus on the island.
    – Confirmation from the pop-up episode — Jack goes nuts after Locke/Bentham visits him and starts flying Oceanic hoping for a crash, combing out his beard, and subsisting on nothing but tequila and tonic and Vicodin. 😉

    Really, really enjoyed this episode.
    No idea how this will all tie itself up — every time one loose end gets tied up one more presents itself.

  8. Sandy in Ojai says:

    WOOTTTTTTTT WHAT AN EPISODE. Although I must say it was kinda hard to remember where exactly we were 3 yrs ahead or 3yrs back. Sawyer & Juliet hehehe kinda saw that one coming, and now Kate is back poor Juliet, hope she puts up a fight, now that would be interesting. What the heck was Richard Alpert going to do with Paul’s body anyway, just show proof or something else like resurection???? I sure like the way Sawyer convinced Richard that he knew alot more than him at the moment that was awesome.
    So where is Ben during all of this? Was he with Richard or did he leave the island and hasnt returned yet, cause he sure wasnt with the DI during this eppy. I think he returns later but, is already there lying on a bed injured from the plane crash, very interesting. Maybe this is Ben’s story and he now has an opportunity to change the incident/ or gassing of the DI.
    Just one more thought… Remember the cabin that Jacob is in with all that ash around it? Well I think Ben imprisoned Jacob and took total control of the island his utopia, telling his others just what Jacob wanted them to do when it was his idea all along, now the island is backing Locke and Ben is in for a real surpise when he finds out that the island has resurected Locke and Ben will finally be doomed. More later………………….

    Sandy in Ojai

  9. massimo from T.O. says:

    Well I have to say that I definitely bought into the Sawyer/Juliet story line. I think that Sawyer needs to forget about Kate because Juliet is much better (Kate is annoying).

    As far as the episode goes, it was very reminiscent of Season 2, not jam packed with reveals like other episodes this season.

    How about the idea that Horace and Amy’s child is Jacob? I mean, Horace was the one who built the cabin, so he has to have some connection to Jacob.

    But then the question is, how old was Jacob (which we don’t know, but assume he is old).

    p.s. we finally see the statue in it’s full form, albeit from the back, but cool nonetheless!

  10. Russell in Raleigh says:

    Is Jin, Miles’ dad?

  11. massimo from T.O. says:

    Miles is from Encino, not the island.

  12. matt in connecticut says:

    I love that Horace turned out to be the leader of the Dharma people on the island, but what happened to his wife Olivia?

  13. MJ from Midwest says:

    Only thing that really stuck out was all of the insect and bird noises.

    Thanks writers for the statue! And from the rear! HA HA HA

    Didn’t love or hate. I was just a sweet show, love, some death, birth, more love, some dynamite, flowers, and the return of psycho Kate.

    I’ve said it many times before, great podcast Ryan and Jen. Jen, you took a tumble in Fantasy League points last week, but still way ahead of me. Congrats.

  14. Tom from Boston, MA says:

    What a great episode , Quick look at the statue, Sawyer kills someone ! He hit a target ! Then stands up to Richard, also makes a great comment about the eyeliner before hand . I guess he put on his big boy pants today .
    Why does Richard what the dead body ? Will Kate being back screw things up ? What is happening on the little island ? So many questions. So few episodes.

    Jin speaks perfect english now this will make his arch even better. I cannot wait for the next episode . Or to hear the podcast .

  15. Scott says:

    Very interesting episode. I really enjoyed the character development. I much prefer Juliet and Sawyer’s relationship to Kate and Sawyer. Also, I think we know that Miles’s dad is Pierre Chang.

  16. Brian says:

    First time to comment, long time listener. Y’all have a great podcast! This episode was “WOW”. The story line is leading into a theory I developed at the beginning of this season.

    My theory is that the oceanic 6 will somehow change the events in the past to prevent the plane from crashing a second time. This is done to prevent Widmore for gaining access to the island a second time. I believe Widmore intends to destroy the island by detonation of “jug-head” at the energy source. Seeing Jack, Kate and Hugo back in the Dharma time would support this theory, after all Sawyer, Jin, Miles and Juliet spent 3 years in Dharma time. The same series of events is needed to “put the record on the correct song” again.

    If this is done the universe will course correct, but the island will not be destroyed…hopefully season 7.

    Just my thoughts, looking forward to your podcast.

  17. FAC from DC says:

    I loved the episode. Loved Sawyer and Juliet as a couple. Hate that Kate is back on the island to mess it up. Wish we can put the whole triangle thing to rest once and for all.
    Love the difference between Jack’s life off-island and Sawyer’s. Whose the respectable one now. Even Miles seems nicer.

  18. Dan says:

    I did not quite get why Richard Alpert wanted with the dead body. When John Locke saw Horace in the Woods in an earlier season wasn’t his nose bleeding? That would suggest that he was skipping through time.

  19. Mike.in.VA says:

    Ryan and Jen,

    I know last week I complained about having to keep track of new people (Caesar, Ilana and the Ajira castaways), and this week they added MORE new people, but I have to say I love Reiko Aylesworth and am happy to see her as a (somewhat) main character. She was fantastic on 24. I’m trying to remember if she had any scenes with Daniel Dae Kim on 24. Seems like they were on in the same seasons (but I’m not 100% sure).

    Loved the episode. Sawyer’s character has come a looooong way. I like him and Juliet together. It should be interesting to see what happens from here with the four way love triangle (square?).

    Sawyer’s line about Alpert’s eyeliner was perfect! The only way it could have been better is if he used Ryan’s “guyliner” instead.

    Looking forward to the podcast. Thanks for all the effort you put in, yours is the best out there.

    Take care and travel safe to Texas Ryan.

    All the best,
    Mike

  20. Mike.in.VA says:

    One more thing I forgot to mention. Didn’t Sawyer’s 70’s haircut seem very similar to one of the TV techs in the season premier (the scene where Candle/Chang is filming the orientation video)?

  21. Carol says:

    Okay, I am a convert. I love Sawyer and Juliet together, they certainly bring out the best in each other. Where was Daniel in present day?

  22. HeyKir in NYC says:

    Paul + Amy = Desmond?? OOooooo what if???

  23. Julia says:

    The time line seems to be incorrect. When Sawyer was talking to Juliet on the dock he mentioned that it was 1974. This is also when Faraday saw Charlotte as a little girl. But in the previous season Ben listed off Charlotte’s bio facts when they first met and stated she was born in 1978.

  24. Naga says:

    ahhhh…when was the statue shown? I completely missed it. can someone tell me when the statue was shown?

  25. Scott in Champaign says:

    What a great episode, in my opinion it blew away last weeks! Sawyer is the man and Juliet is great as well. What an awesome way to bring all these backstories together.

  26. MLE in Colorado says:

    Fun show…but I am not sure a two week break is a good idea!

    So was the statue “Bastet” the Egyptian god of cats? Ok hear me out- because yes you are going to see this lead once again to The Wizard of Oz and you know how I love to do that…

    If you google Bastet (which is fun because there are many cool images) you will see the statue is similar but what really stuck me was the cross that Paul was wearing when he died and which Amy kept in honor of Paul’s memory and which made Horace so jealous- is in nearly every picture of the Bastet statue- in some depictions the statue is holding this cross and in other its behind her.

    Also when you google her images you find she has only four toes.

    Here is where we come back to OZ: Bastet is the goddess of pregnant women and home and the “Lady of the East” where Sekhmet is the “lady of the west”. Sekhmet was the lioness-headed goddess of war and destruction.

    “Bastet was the goddess of fire, cats, of the home and pregnant women. According to one myth, she was the personification of the soul of Isis. She was also called the “Lady of the East”. As such, her counterpart as “Lady of the West” was Sekhmet.”

    I can’t wait to see what Locke does now that he has put his ruby slippers on and clicked his heels three times saying “there’s no place like home”.

    Can’t wait to see who the baby is! Loved seeing Alpert and Sawyer talk- I love that Alpert had no idea who Sawyer was but was not surprised by the conversation. Fun episode…

  27. MLE in Colorado says:

    OK ok ok one more thing…timing wise the baby would have been about 26 when 815 crashed…Amy’s baby that is…I thought Amy looked a lot like Kate- but it is obviously not Kate (because its a boy)…and I agree that something may have shifted – in other words was this a baby that was not supposed to live if Juliet were not there to save her? So who else could this be?

    This would be a stretch but you know how if someone is supposed to die they die- but if not- they dont…could the baby be Boone and that was why he had to die when he came back?

    I hope it ends up being a more important character than Boone ever seemed to be.

    ok goodnight.

  28. Nels says:

    Ending was predictable given the Sawyer/Juliet reveal but I didn’t mind. It certainly brings up some interesting plot developments with regards to relationships now. Can’t quite figure out who Horace and Amy’s baby is though. At first I thought it was Charlotte but then when Juliet announced a boy I was at a loss. Wild theory is that it is Desmond though that’s just me grasping at straws.

    4-toed statue from behind. Great move to keep the mystery alive but still toss us a little bone.

    The jumping back and forth between “present” and “3 years later” was a little disorienting so I’ll have to watch it again to make sure I got the timeline down correctly.

  29. bongojim24 says:

    Amy’s baby could not be Paul’s because he’s been dead 3 years when the baby is born. It IS Horace’s. Jin isn’t Miles’ dad, Pierre Chang is (pretty sure.) Man, daddy issues!

  30. bobo says:

    4 toed statue!

  31. yosemite chris says:

    couple of question?
    how did all of sawyer team become secerity,but juliet is work in the motor pool.
    in the sence where we see sawyer and juliet in the kitchen does she look pregnant,or did see just put on a little weight.
    will they dig the a new well to find out why there a rope coming out of the ground.
    how did horce become the leader of dhrama i alway thought he was just a workman.
    i love to see why everyone seem so scared of sawyer they would even knock on his door.

  32. yosemite chris says:

    one more thing i think sawyer willend up being the camera man for the dhrama film from a couple epsoide back,so they can add a secert messege
    to the film. that prob why some of the film was missing,someone found out
    and removed the clips.

  33. Toga says:

    http://img7.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1236237056832.jpg

    Taweret, Egyptian Goddess

    “It was in her role of a protector that she was seen as a goddess. As the mother hippo is protective of her young, Taweret was believed to be protective of Egyptian children. She was often shown holding the sa hieroglyph of protection or the ankh hieroglyph of life. She was thought to assist women in labour and scare off demons that might harm the mother or child.

    … because hippos are denizens of the fertile Nile mud, Egyptians also saw them as symbols of rebirth and rejuvenation. The birth-related aspect of the hippo’s powers also appears in the complicated shape of the goddess Taweret, who protects women in childbirth.

    She was also a goddess relating to fertility. She was goddess of harvests as well as a goddess who helped with female sexuality and pregnancy. In this capacity, she was linked with the goddess Hathor. As a fertility goddess, she was closely associated with the inundation of the Nile especially at Jabal al-Silsila.”

  34. Jeff in Azusa, CA says:

    Just one thought…
    Sawyer told Horace Goodspeed that he was on a salvage boat looking for a wreck called the “Black Rock”. Horace said that he had never heard of it. Yet, three years later, we see Mr. Goodspeed drunk and throwing dynamite around. Dynamite that looks an awful lot like Black Rock brand dynamite. That can’t be a coincidence.
    Also, Sawyer is able to get rid of Richard Alpert just by going out and having a conversation with him.
    There’s more to “Jim LaFluer” than meets the eye, and I bet Horace realizes it pretty quickly. So rather than being on a sub two weeks later, he’s chief of security Three years later.
    Reminds me of the Princess Bride: “Good night Westley, I’ll most likely kill you in the morning.” – Three years later, Westley is the Dread Pirate Roberts.

  35. Connie in Alaska says:

    I want to know if young Ben was in the DI yet. I get screwed up trying to figure out the timelines. Ben looked to be about 12 when he first arrived on the Island. In 2004 Ben looked to be between 40 and 45 years old. Let’s say he was 44 to make it easier. That would make his birth year 1960. That would mean he was twelve in 1972 and would have been in the DI village at the same time as Sawyer’s gang. Even if you give or take a year or two, I think it works out. Sawyer said it was 1974 when they arrived making it 1977 when Kate, Hurley and Jack return.

    Did the statue look like a woman from behind?

    Our little Sawyer is a grown up responsible adult now! Love the dimples. He should smile more often!

  36. Connie in Alaska says:

    Another thing…how did Horace become the leader of the DI group and where is Dr. WickCandChangPierre? What DID happen to Olivia? My sense is that this is a very early Dharma group, kind of like Dharma pioneers, maybe. They will discover something soon that will bring the full force of the Dharma Initiative thundering onto the Island. Maybe Ben comes with that group.

    Horace and Olivia were together at Ben’s birth in the early 60’s. I guess there has been a lot of time for them to either break up or for her to die.

    Why is it breaking the truce for the DI to mess with the Hostiles, but not the other way around? Richard seemed particularly unconcerned that two of his people had killed Paul and were about to do that or worse to Amy. You would think that that would make things “even”. Perhaps that is why he wanted Paul’s body.

  37. Connie in Alaska says:

    yosimite chris-Horace was a mathematician. I had a previous theory that he may be the “very clever fellow” who worked out how to find the Island as described by Ms Hawking in “316”. Maybe that is why he is the leader of the DI.

  38. This would have been close to my favorite episode of the season.

    After a few very quickly paced episodes, I really liked the pace of this episode, it seemed more like a ‘classic’ lost episode.

    I feel sorry for Horrace, I have a bad feeling his wife has died (probably by the hostiles). Also I really feel sorry for Daniel, the death would be so tough on him.

    One of the best things in the episode was how awesome Sawyer is. His friendship with Miles is a master pairing, as well as new found love for Juliet. How far he has come!

  39. Connie in Alaska says:

    MLE in Colorado- I agree with you that Horace and Amy’s baby can’t be anyone over the age of 27. I think Desmond is too old. He may not be anyone we know, but simply a way to show that babies WERE being born on the Island pre-purge and that Juliet’s skills as a baby doctor are solid. Whatever killed the mothers/babies, it wasn’t due to her ineptness.

  40. Jeff in Azusa, CA says:

    I think babies stopped being born the moment Ben arrived at the island. His mother died during child birth. His father never let him forget it. Somewhere deep in his subconscious, he believes that the world would have been better off if he had died before he was born. The island has a magic box that gives you your deepest desires. This is the curse of Ben Linus. Juliet was able to deliver the baby because Ben hasn’t arrived yet.

  41. Krissy from Sydney says:

    I was thinking that the statue could be Horus.

    Horus in hieroglyphics is http://en.wikipedia.org/w/extensions/wikihiero/img/hiero_G5.png. Now have a look at the Countdown timer ones: http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2×14/glyphs.jpg. Look similar??

    Interestingly, Horus is what is know as a “Life-Death-Rebirth” deity in Egyptian mythology – that ties in really well with Locke (and maybe Christian). Horus is also a God of War.

    Also interesting that Horus sounds exactly like HORACE.

    And while on the topic of Egyptian gods, what about Ra, who was a sun god. Ra = Richard Alpert?? Re (Ra) was the Egyptian sun god who was also often referred to as Re-Horakhty, meaning Re (is) Horus of the Horizon.

  42. Camille in Slovenia says:

    Great episode! For sure in my top ten, maybe even top five! I was actually squealing with glee, so I will have to watch it again.

    Favorite parts:
    – Watching Richard disoriented and confused for one of the first times
    – Juliet sliding out from under the van in her mechanic jumpsuit
    – and of course the returning Losties coming face to face with Sawyer in the final scene

  43. Camille in Slovenia says:

    Questions and thoughts:

    – Horace gave them two weeks, how’d they get three years?
    – What is the significance of “three years”? They are in Dharmaville for three years, the Oceanic 6 are gone three years, Juliet lived in New Otherton for “over three years”…..
    – What’s with all the Egyptian imagery — the statue, the ankh, Horace (Horus- The Sky God)?. (See parallels between Jesus and Horace here – http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcpa5.htm)
    – Is three years on the island the same as three years off the island??It certainly seems that way…
    – Where is Marvin Candle? Where are the DeGroots? Where is Ben? What is Daniel doing “three years later”?

  44. Cab Driver says:

    I have to say that Lost is making less and less sense every episode. The writers keep adding these storylines that are backed up by nothing. It seems like none of the characters are really aware or care about how bizarre of a situation they are in. Why does John Locke need to die in order for the Oceanic 6 to come back to the island? Why do they need to come back to the island to save the others? Why do none of the characters ask any questions? I mean, we havn’t even really gotten a clear answer on what The Others were dong on the island, and Juliet is one of them. Why dosn’t she tell them in detail who exactly The Others are, what they were doing on the island, and all the details that she knows about the island. Why don’t the rest of them try to get more answers from her. Who are the Dharma initiative? Its obvious that they are doing research and stuff, but I just find it really strange how Sawyer and people don’t just ask them wtf is going on? It seems like none of the characters care about getting answers anymore. This show is pissing me off. Anyways, if you missed tonights episode, check it out online here…

    http://watchloststreaming.com/season-5-episode-8-lafleur/

    …and try to see if my rant makes any sense to you.

  45. Lovena says:

    Well, I loved the show and how Josh H. had a lot of time on it! I hope Kate doesn’t ruin it for Sawyer & Juliet! The preggers woman not dying answers some, if not all my questions. And Horace actor….good to see him….he was “Percy” on The Green Mile with Tom Hanks. Can’t wait to see who Horace and Amy’s baby is.

  46. Camille in Slovenia says:

    @Dave – Darlton have already said the statue isnt Sawyer…I am inclined to believe them.

    @Heykir – Paul died three years before, babies only take 9 months. I’m pretty sure the baby is Horace’s. I also agree that Desmond is too old. I agree that it might not have been “meant” to be born.

    @MLE in Colorado – I am definitely along with all the Egyptian stuff (even Richard’s eyeliner really lends itself to it!), but I more inclined to believe the statue would be something more like Isis or Osiris (parents of Horus). From the back I didn’t think the statue looked animal like (no pointed ears or anything). Here’s one pic of Osiris (http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/ankh7.jpg)
    Also important to note that ancient Egyptians believed their Gods could bestow eternal life on the dead. I wonder if Paul will be up and walking around soon?

  47. Aaron says:

    Hello again from Scotland.

    I’d like to re-iterate a post i made previously in reference to “This Place Is Death”:

    “Does Smokey bring people back? Jacks fathers body was lying around on the island, and now that seems to be wandering around.

    That takes me onto Charlies visit to Hurley, that didn’t seem much like one of Hurleys imaginary friends. He was wearing different clothes, someone else saw him, and he slapped Hurley. Was it a “possessed” body? If i’m right about this then it also relates to the recent official podcast comments about reincarnation, and the anagram on the side of Bens van.”

    Now if memory serves, you didn’t necessarily agree with my thoughts on the subject when you read out the comment on your podcast – but this episode made me think about it again.

    As soon as burying the bodies was mentioned my immediate thought was “hiding them from smokey!”, though it seems clear that burying them was to hide them from the others/hostiles/natives. But Alpert DID ask for the body, and as you mention – this might suggest some kind of necromancy shenanigans.

    We’ve also got Horace Jann – i’d love to re-watch the scenes where he appeared and proclaimed that he was dead. Did he appear and disappear like the ubiquitous spectral visitations, or is there a chance he was a reanimated/possessed/controlled body?

    A counterpoint to my thoughts is that Horace Janns body was in the “purge pit” with a lot of others. All of them could, and would be candidates for re-animation. Why aren’t they wandering around? Maybe the island / Jacob / some ancient Egyptian god trapped in the temple just picks whoever it thinks would serve it’s purpose best, rather than creating some zombie horde.

    I’ve only just finished the episode so i haven’t had time to really think about things. But i’m pretty sure that dead bodies are very important to the island. I just don’t know if they’re being resurrected, or whether they’re being controlled by some kind of puppet master, or maybe they’re just symbolic.

    Looking forward to hearing your podcast, this was a superb episode and it’s great to see Sawyer being the leader for a change.

  48. cat says:

    MLE, I think the statue is Anubis and if you look at Anubis, it holds the same ankh that is Paul’s necklace. Anubis is Egyptian which links in with the hyroglyphics and is also the symbol for the afterlife. How ancient Egyptians, resurection and the afterlife we have yet to know.

    What is the symbolism of “3 years”? Last week we saw the losties after “3 years” from being on the island. This week, we go back and forth by “3 years”. I sure it isn’t a coincidence.

    Who is the son? Agree with the others above that it isn’t Desmond and what the heck happened to Amy who was supplanted by Olivia and where is Daniel in the “3 years later” life?

    Little Charlotte was a killer as was Sawyer’s performance. Great episode. Have to think some more about it!

  49. John Fischer says:

    I think it’s clear that if we could identify which Egyptian god the statue is of, we would go a long way to understanding the island.

    The statue appears male from it’s dress. It has short, perhaps feline ears. Yet, we know it has 4 toes, so it could be part bird.

    It is holding an ankh in its right hand and something else in its left hand.

    You can see images of Egyptian gods at:

    http://www.ancientegypt.co.uk/gods/explore/main.html

    I think it’s important to find a God holding an ankh in its hand. That would indicate any one of these male gods: Anubis, Horus or Seth. I eliminated ones such as Sobek which has an alligator head.

    It was interesting that Richard is referred to as the guy with the eye liner – ancient Egyptian rulers and higher ups wore eye makeup.

    The Phoenicians adopted many of the Egyptian gods and tweaked them a bit to suit their purpose. Interestingly, Carthage, their capital, was in modern day Tunesia. Did the Phoenicians – famous for their sea-faring ability – discover the island?

    The island seems to have many symbols of many world religions both past and present – Christianity, Egyptian and Hindu come to mind immediately. Clearly the wheel has something to do with the Hindu wheel of life. The Dharma wheel and the Hindu wheel both have 8 spokes.

    I guess sometimes it pays to be a classics major.

    On a different subject, how interesting that Horace was the leader of this (early) group of Dharma people. I recall that he was a mathematician. Could he have been the mathematician that Mrs. Hawking mention as the one who first found the island for the Dharma folks?

  50. John Fischer says:

    Continuing the Egyptian thinking. We know that all names on Lost have significance. Could Richard Alpert be somehow connected to the Egyptian God Ra? Richard Alpert = R.A.

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