I like the theory that Ben is actually trying to help Locke get back to the island by not letting him commit suicide – suicide has been mentioned before via Michael, and it doesn’t seem to be something that is a good method. I predict a future episode (lafleur, maybe?) will show Ben explaining to Locke why he had to kill him.

So, if they all landed on the island in present-day (2007?) while Hurley, Jack, Kate, landed in the past (why them and not Sayiid, Sun or Locke who were all originally on the flight? what is the criteria for getting ‘let in’ to the time travel flash, and to the island, while others were not?), how the hell do they (Sun, especially) time travel back to Dharma times? Or, perhaps, Hurley, Jack and Kate time travel forward to 2007 after their Dharma adventure?

Finally, I ADORE Daniel Faraday as a hero (those long loving looks he gives Charlotte make me totally crush on that geeky little hipster), but I’m seeing them lay down the tracks towards him being the final bad guy in this scenario – he had one previous girlfriend’s mind destroyed because of his actions, and then Charlotte, and apparently he does try to change the past (but must know it doesn’t work, because Charlotte still died, right?), and it seems like the way Hawking described a ‘clever young man’ who built the Lamppost was Faraday….he’s either the guy that saves them all, or the guy hell-bent on correcting his mistakes that he’s going to take everyone with him(via Jughead, possibly?).

I’d rather he be a hero, but I’d also rather Ben be a hero too. Someone suggested that Faraday was someone who gave Ben a lot of instructions in the past which lead to the purge and other horrific Ben actions, but all for the greater good? That is so machiavellian, and ultimately I see the real struggle being the innocent folks caught up in this (Jack, Sawyer, Kate, Hurley, Sayiid, etc.) will push past this whole ‘fate’ thing to become triumphant. Or will the lesson be to succomb to fate??? Lots of questions, good show!

[Edited for spoiler.]

I love Frank – I hope we see him again.

And I am not sure what is happening with the Barenaked Hurley folks…. Very fun stuff…. I also have been unable to find another YouTube favorite of mine re Sawyer, set to the tune of “I’m Too Sexy for My Shirt.” If anyone finds it, let me know!

A quick thought on the nuclear bomb: Could it have exploded, been mixed up with the time travel thing somehow, and caused some of the problems on the island, such as the barren women and the (potentially mutated) 4-toed foot? In any case, this continues to be an amazing show, in my book– Damon and Carlton are my all-time writer heroes!

In the last episode right before Locke tries to hang himself we see him supposedly with four toes at his right foot. Now the statue is a left foot.

I believe his 5′th toe is there but we cannot see it. When he is at the hospital talking with Jack we see all 5 toes although his pinky toe is barely seen.

I wonder… is Eloise Hawking the DHARMA Initiative? She mentions “they” used the Lamppost to monitor the island. It would explain how she would know Ben and the Others and Widmore…

The stuff from the internet, while fun and interesting, was never meant to be promenently featured in the series. I tried to follow, but just didn’t have the time. Once in awhile you will hear a passing reference to somthing from those internet features, but I don’t really think they will reveal anything groundbreaking in the remaining episodes.

Ben’s killing of Locke is supposed to have great shock value, but we are well aware by now that he will go to any length to achieve the ends that he believes makes him one of the good guys. This act changes nothing until we see the merit of Ben’s motives. It would be an audacious trick to try and redeem him from the absolute depths of darkness. As other posters have pointed out, however, in Locke’s passion play, Ben is clearly set up as the agent that thwarts divine duty, tempting Locke down from his “cross.”

One final idea about the death of Locke occurs to me. Ben clearly needs information about Mrs. Hawking from Locke as I feel he is no longer on speaking terms with Jacob. So he has to buy time to extract this knowledge. On the other hand, Ben always understands the absolute necessity that Locke must die. He just wants it to happen on his terms (as would Widmore I suspect.) So what might be of ultimate importance is the nature of the death Locke suffers. In order for it to truly qualify as sacrifice, a gift to God, it might have to be of a voluntary nature. Ben thwarts this. It hasn’t been touched on for awhile, but we should recall the great emphasis placed on free will by Ben’s band of others. It comes straight out of the book of laws I think.

Defend the island.

http://barenakedhurley.blogspot.com/2008/02/oh-benry.html

Rich & Crissy
Anyone working for Widmore would know of Ben Linus
Then Ceasar and/or Ilana would have taken care of injured Ben in a terminal way.
It is not like Widmore to send some people on a mission aboard a plane without a proper briefing
They also dont seem to be working for Ben or at least they are not hinting that they know him or anything much about the Island and its powers
In any event (working for Ben or Widmore), they would know who John Locke is … which doesnt seem to be the case

Who the hell are they working for, if not for Ben nor Widmore ? So we have to think of some other connexions of these two to …
Could it be some other unknown (or not in the plot so far) terrorist group interested into some of the powers surrounding the Island ?
However, it does seem that they are learning of the Island as they go along
So in my mind,they were on that plane but did not know where they would wind up
Other question: What were they doing on that plane?
If she was escorting Sayid, his disapearance would have struck her and maybe she would not have reacted as puzzled about Locke’s revelations.

Locke was a major disappointment to me. For someone who communed with the island, was told that his destiny lay in being a leader, for all he’s experienced on the island, I would have expected him to have gone through a more spiritual, mystical transformation or evolution by the time he left the island. I certainly Jeremy Bentham, an almost mythical person judging by the O6′s reactions in earlier episodes, to be charismatic and imposing. He was hardly that.

Others have already touched on his brief, feeble attempts to convince the O6 to return to the island (all very anti-climactic since we already knew the outcome) and his penchant for following orders, even mere suggestions. He’s hardly the leader we’ve sometimes seen and often wished him to be. His decision to commit suicide is not a means to help his cause or the O6 or the island as we originally thought, but only a result of the failure in his weak attempts at leadership. How sad.

P.S. One more Christian metaphor in this episode: the flashes that “grabbed” the O6 members from Flight 316 are equivalent to The Rapture.

what if in the first place Widmore manipulated Oceanic flight 815 and paid the pilot to change the route so that Locke gets to the island in season 1 and be the leader? it all makes sense now, Abadon convincing Locke to go for a trip to Australia. In Australia the guide tour rejects Locke and he is forced to go back to LA, how convenient!

Ben is cold blooded! I was so relieved to see Locke alive again on the Island. The man needs some clarity before the series is over, even if it’s the tragic reveal that he was just a pawn.

It scares me just a little that people are beginning to think of Widmore as a good guy. The moral compass of his character seems to point a few degrees away from north if you ask me. You know the acting is good when the snakes on the show get the audience to start nibbling the forbidden fruit…

I’ll never forget Widmore’s cruelty when Desmond came to ask for Penny’s hand in marriage. None of the good guys I know speak to another man as if he were worthless – ulterior motive or not. When we see Widmore as a teenager he doesn’t bat an eyelash before snapping his friend’s neck or attempting to shoot Locke back at the Other’s camp. He hired Keamy and stocked his pantry with C4. Even his own daughter distrusts him.

As for Widmore’s laughable claim that he led the Island peacefully, I would ask what part of death by flaming arrow is peaceful? Anyone who can handle a weapon the way those 1950s Others could is probably not a free wheelin’ hippie. They wiped out the US Army Jughead team with their love beads, I’m sure.

If Widmore knows Ms. Hawkings whereabouts, then he must know about the Lamppost Station. Why does Widmore not use it to find his own way back to the Island? If we can theorize that Ilana or Cesar are working for Widmore, then surely we can theorize that Widmore knew that flight 316 would fly through the Island’s window. Why would Widmore not try to be on that flight himself? Could it be that he’s seen a future time line in which it works out better for him to return another way?

With the reiteration of the Hydrogen Bomb concept through the cover of “Life” magazine, I’ve been thinking about what a threat the bomb’s presence poses for the island. It’s appearance in Jughead should create a great deal of dramatic tension, but this is disarmed by our supposed foreknowledge that nothing happens to it. I feel this could be misdirection or could simply reflect limitations on current perspective.

I suggest detonation has occurred at some point along the timeline. It is only the island’s unique relationship with time that temporarily permits the whole dream of existence to go on. What if the Swan functioned to discharge the energy of this blast gradually, while the explosion, captured in a different plane, moved only at an infintesimal speed. However, once the failsafe key was turned, that act started the clock on when this “incident” will arrive with its full destructive force on the timeline that we experience.

Defend the island.

I say this because I don’t think the show really needs any new characters heading into the home stretch and introducing a whole new bunch of people would make the show a bit unfocused.

It’s great to see the setup paying off from when they were making the runway on the hydra island!

Anyway, excellent comments, observations, and theories above, so I won’t beat any dead Locke’s – er, horses. But, I do have a theory that came to me about the overall story line and the “energy point” explanation to the island’s significance and mysterious ways:
I think the writers will use this explanation to account for various mysteries and miracles to ancient and current religions and mythologies.
It would be a great way to explain things such as the burning bush, the parting of the Red Sea, Jesus walking on water, etc. If these “energy points” can cause these supposed miracles, then those that believe in these faiths will have their belief validated. The beauty is that this also validates those whose belief-system is science-based, these individuals can then state that these miracles are actually explainable (if not fully understandable) scientific phenomena. And while the faith-based folks can state that a miracle is a miracle, and the scientific explanation makes it no less miraculous, the science-based folks can be content in their belief that everything has a scientific basis.
It still leaves the answer to the question of faith vs. science up to the individual, but will ultimately make most people satisfied that “their” belief has been validated. – That’s my crackpot theory on the overall theme of the show. I think it’s why we see the hieroglyphics, etc, because a pocket of energy was harnessed to aid in the construction of the pyramids somehow, etc.
I love that a TV show makes me think this much.

Also, a few points:
– In last weeks podcast, someone suggested that Charlotte learned Korean from Candle/Chang/Whoever, I think Jin teaches Charlotte Korean, as we see he has been hanging around Dharma folks long enough to be a part of the security team, I am guessing he probably learned English with some help from young Charlotte, too, and she learned some Korean from him (perhaps not fluently, but enough to continue to study Korean later in life.)
– Why was there no surveillance camera set up when Ben “exited” and ended up in Tunisia? Or was there one, and I am forgetting it?
– I think Sun and Sayid are in the same time/space with the remaining Losties, just not right there, perhaps being apprehended by other Dharma Security folks. Jin looked like he knew exactly where he was going with his gun, so the others may have been found by other Dharmalites already, but Jin just had not physically seen them yet.
– Why has the island already healed Locke to the point of returning to the living from the dead, but Ben is still wounded and unable to get up yet? You would think he would be healed too, and that actually most of the people with injuries would be.
– I think the other woman who went with Lapidus on the canoe is someone who’s presence on the plane is still unknown to us, like Claire’s mother maybe – (just reaching here, so please cut me some slack)

Love the podcast and the posters here! I finally feel like I have found a little Lost circle of friends here – wow – now we are all special like Locke. Let’s go mow @Ben’s lawn!

OR

b) When Locke mentioned Mrs. Hawking to Ben, it seemed to catch Ben by surprise a little. Either Ben knew Mrs. Hawking from before and is surprised that Locke knows him now, or he heard what he wanted to hear and that was a way to get off the island. After getting this information, i believe Ben wanted to eliminate the compeition i.e. Locke, so that he could then go back to the island as its leader.

I’m starting to think that since flight 316 was suppose to be a re-creation of 815, maybe 815 was suppose to be a re-creation of another flight. If you think about it, maybe Widmore had Abadon and Christian along with other people who “get people where they are suppose to go”, to go out and find people to load on this plane to re-create some other flight. A good point to this is that most of the people on the 815 crash had kind of sucky lives. Nothing to loose. who would miss them besides family? these were the easiest people to sway and get on board to best simulate a crash before.

All the best.

I was surprised that Locke was trying to commit suicide. He did know that he had to die in order to get the others back, so when I first saw him getting the noose ready, I thought he was “sacrificing” himself. But then when Ben came in, Locke went into his “I’m a failure” mode and blamed himself for not being able to get “anyone” to commit to going back to the island.

So was Locke killing himself because he thought he was supposed to die and since he couldn’t convince anyone to come back this was the next step he needed to follow, or did he think he was a failure and he was doing it out of depression & grief?

Also, about Ben…. I think that he’s a “bad-guy”, but you could look at him with some sympathy because he’s been pushed into a bad guy role based on the circumstances in his life.

I think Widmore is a “bad-guy”, but he is evil due to greed, the need to control, and using the power of his wealth to set-up the Dharma Initiative on the island, to try to find the island after he’s booted off early in his life, to try to kill Ben, etc. Also, the Dharma version of the island didn’t seem like a happy place. It was very military-like, but it also had children mixed into it, which seems like an odd and/or evil place to be.

I think Ben is a “bad guy” because: his Dad told him that he was the reason his Mom died everyday, he blamed himself for the death of his Mom, his Father showed no love for him, he didn’t have any friends on the island, he seemed like a loner to begin with, Alpert was the first one to show interest in him (although I think he was manipulating Ben to have him help them kill all the Dharma people), he’s put in a position of power (leading the Others) but he’s really not the powerful one (Jacob or whoever Jacob ultimately is has the real power), he brings Juliet to the island who he falls for and is ultimately turned down by her when he tries to “woo” her with his moves, and he tries to build a Utopia on the island by having little houses and a school, etc., but that is destroyed when Oceanic 815 arrives, as some people begin to get stronger…

(Locke and even Jack get stronger on the island– Jack was torn BEFORE he came to island, but as soon as he got there, he had a true sense of purpose and turned into a true fact-based, logical leader… Locke was able to walk again and was becoming the faith-based leader of the Others…. After Jack left the island, he didn’t have anyone to “save”, so he fell back on alcohol and drugs, similar to his father, as a coping mechanism.)

… so I think, Ben has turned into a bad guy to cope and become the leader he “thinks he should be”. He has been given “power” by people like Alpert and he thought by Jacob, but now he’s losing that. So, I think he’s using every mental weapon in his arsenal to not go back to the “shunned bad guy that killed his mom”.

I think Ben’s a bad guy who’s doing bad things, but he’s also doing them to try to get back to the island and get back to his Utopia. He also knows that his Uptopia will never be rebuilt if Widmore gets control of the island again, so he’ll do anything (even kill Locke) in order to have his way.

Locke was supposed to die anyway, right? So, Ben didn’t technically do anything “wrong”….

1. The original Scientist group that was on the Island in 1954 looking for a way to use the island’s powers and energy to as a gateway to heaven or the next life. This group turned into the Ben-led Others (see below).
2. The Ben-led Others who tried to build a civilization and their own little world which looked similar to a neighborhood back home. Ben led the purge of the Dharma people in order to make this happen.
3. The Widmore-led Dharma Initiative group that overloaded the island with stations, hatches, and testing to find a way to use the island’s energy for life altering events.
4. The Losties from Oceanic Flight 815, who crashed on the island and began to discover its powers. Locke appears to be the spiritual and faith-based leader of the group, while the Shepherd family (Christian, Jack, Claire, Aaron) appear to be the scientific and fact-based leaders that are slowly taking a “leap of faith” by trusting the island’s powers.

For the record, I don’t think Ben is evil. I may be in the minority but I’ve never known these writers to be blatant. I think this is more misdirection. In modern Christianity, suicide is widely considered a mortal sin. So in the Lost world, maybe the Island doesn’t resurrect those who take their own lives.

Therefore, Ben knowing this (and actually being a good guy) was talking him down so that he could make sure Locke could fulfill his true purpose. Even though we might see it as betrayal, Ben would then be a necessary evil. Just like in the Bible. Jesus didn’t “hang” himself but those who betrayed him and “hung” him on the cross, in turn, allowed for the prophecy to be fulfilled.

What a GREAT episode! After seeing the story come to the point it did, after talking with a few people, I tried my best to map out the time-line of what has happened between Alpert, Widmore, Ben, & Locke. I stuck with those 4 characters because I believe they are the 4 “leaders” (current or former) of the different groups that we’ve seen during the first 4 1/2 seasons.

Let me know what you think!

Here’s my run-down of the events of Alpert, Widmore, Ben, & Locke:

1. Alpert and his conglomerate started a scientific mission on the island back in 1954 (or earlier).
2. Alpert went to go visit Locke when Locke was younger, after Locke had talked to him in 1954 and had given Alpert a compass and told him to come visit him in a few years after he was born in 1956.
3. Alpert went through some questions with Locke, but at that time didn’t think Locke was the “chosen one” he was searching for.

4. Charles Widmore was one of the people on Alpert’s team.
5. At some point, Widmore and Alpert had a disagreement and Alpert got Widmore shunned off the island. When Widmore left the island, he also actually “moved” the island by turning the mule wheel and ending in Tanzania (which is how he knows where the “exit hole is”).
6. Widmore didn’t know where the island was after that. Widmore now monitors the hole for those people leaving. He saw Ben leave the island but couldn’t get to him because Ben was too quick to beat people up and do what he had to do. He was able to pick-up Locke because of Locke’s injuries.
7. Widmore most likely had grandioso ideas of how the island’s powers could be used while Alpert most likely wanted to learn about the island and use the islands powers as a gateway to heaven or the “next life.”
8. Widmore took his big ideas and started the Dharma Initiative… Full-blown testing of the island’s power!
9. Widmore used the Pendulum Room that Ms. Hawking showed us to find the island (“it was used by the Dharma Initiative”)
10. Widmore used Faraday, Ms. Hawking’s son, to do research on time travel, how it works, and the effects on humans.
11. Widmore ended up paying to take care of the girl when Faraday fried her brain while he was doing tests on time travel.

12. Faraday was on the Island in a Dharma Initiative outfit when they found the power source at the bottom of the Orchid. Charlotte also remembered Faraday when she was on the island as a “scary looking man who told me not to come back.” So, Faraday had traveled back in time to the island prior to this expedition in order to help him learn about the island’s powers and how the time travel worked.
13. Faraday also came up with the Constant Theory, which allows him to use his Constant, Desmond, to ground himself in the present and past so he doesn’t suffer the mental and physical brain damage other people do.

14. Ben came to the island with his Dad after his Mom had died as part of the Dharma Initiative when he was younger.
15. Ben was mentally beat on by his Dad and hated him and Dharma.
16. Alpert found Ben and used Ben as a way to wipe out Dharma (aka. The Purge)
17. After the Purge, in which Ben killed his Dad face-to-face, Alpert used Ben and treated him as the leader of the Others.
18. Alpert convinced Locke that he was really the one who should be the leader of the Others. When Ben told Locke he needed to prove himself by killing his Father, Locke refused. Alpert, however, had background information on Sawyer and his relationship to Locke’s Dad (Locke’s Dad had swindled Sawyer’s Dad, which led to Locke’s Dad killing his wife and himself, leaving Sawyer parentless.) Sawyer followed through on the murder of Locke’s Dad, and Locke claimed that he had done the killing himself.
19. Locke astounded the Others with the sacrifice of his Father and put Ben in a weaker leadership position with the Others.
20. Ben tried to kill Locke on the island when he pushed Locke into the big hole of bodies and shot him. Fortunately, Ben shot Locke right where his kidney used to be before he had it removed to donate to his dad.
21. Ben also told Locke that he was supposed to stay with and lead the Others, while Ben left the island by turning the mule wheel, which “moved” the island. After Ben turned the wheel, it came off it’s post. Did this cause the island to start skipping?
22. Ben luckily wasn’t on the island when it was skipping through time, so he wasn’t subjected to nose-bleeds and brain hemorrhages.
23. Ultimately, Locke left the island as well, after being told by Christian that he was the one who was should have moved the island and left to find the Oceanic 6 to bring them back.
24. Ben stopped Locke from killing himself, but then Ben killed Locke himself when Locke mentioned that he needed to go see Ms. Hawking, who Ben knew was Faraday’s Mom & worked for Widmore.

@ Camille in Slovenia:
It definitely seems like LOST’s Caesar is in charge of things and keeping track of where everything is. I am curious to see where his allegiances lie, he definitely knows things, but how much?

@ Ben said this above and I LOVED it:
I did finally cave on the fact that Locke will do ANYTHING if you tell him he’s special.

Me: “Hey John, mow my lawn.”
John: “No”
Me: “But you must John, you’re special!”
John: “Well OK, where’s the mower.”

He’s just a puppet the others like to manipulate.

@ Ryan H asked this:
Did anyone else notice Ben’s reaction when Locke told Ben that Jin was still alive? I wonder if Ben would have still killed Locke if he would not have mentioned Jin?

@ Russel said:
Here’s my theory: I think Matthew Abbadon is Walt. Hear me out. When Locke approached Walt in the city, Abbadon says “I’ll give you two some privacy” and disappears. Maybe because he didn’t want himself to see his future self (Back to the Future style). When Locke returns, Abbadon says “I take it you didn’t ask him to come back.” How would he know that? He wasn’t around.

@ MSredhd:
2) Sun was never suppose to be on flight 815. That is why she remained with the other passengers of 316. She is the woman who took the canoe with Frank back to the main island in search of Jin. She is however in current time (2009) and Jin is back in DHARMA time (the 70’s)- that should be an interesting journey.

@ Alex in MD:
• I LOVED Hurley’s blasé reaction when he thought Locke was dead and his panicked reaction when he realized that Locke wasn’t.

@ Dave said:
Locke must seem the way Richard has to all of us… from our perspective Richard has not aged and from Widmore’s, Locke has not aged. The whole crux of this show has been about self vs other, and we’ve seen this dyad with the Losties vs the Other and vs the Tailies and the Tailies vs the Others, as well as Dharma vs the Others… perspective means everything.

My comments:
* I agree Caesar is important as his name and actions allude to.

* I, too, love that Locke was put to the task by his peers about his “specialness”

* Ryan H- I didnt think of that and you may be right- something really cuaght Ben when Locke said that Jin was alive- he was shocked.

* I love that Abbadan could be Walt- I think we will see walt again but maybe more as an apparition of to explain his appearances in season 2- I agree there was some closure in that scene.

* Seems reasonable that Sun and Lapidus were in the Canoe and what is cool is we think that she and Jin are in different times and if so it adds to the drama of them finding eachother. (Yes folks we have yet one more major Jin Reveal before this show is in the can!)

* Also loved that Hurley was less disturbed by a dead guy than an alive guy!

* I, too, liked that Widmore was tickled by the fact that it had been decades since he last saw Locke looking the same and yet it had only been a day or something since Locke last saw him. That was cool and pointed the whole kick these guys get out of time travel.

I think as I said a few days ago that Ben may have killed John because he knew he had to die and maybe knew he couldn’t kill himself for some reason…and I like the idea that so many people have a vested interest in the time travel to go back and save people they have LOST in their pasts. Oh oh oh and when someone (Mike?) said that Maybe Claire didnt mean don’t bring back Aaron- but don’t bring back Ben- its possible but I think she meant her son…

Look forward to the pod cast guys!!!

Will this “Caesar” become the leader of one of the armies leading it to overthrowing our current world order?

Hm…

Hope you are feeling better.

This episode was great, it was dark, I believe the darkest yet but the performance of Terry was terrific and I like Abaddon (Lance Reddick is a likable and intense actor). Was it poetic justice that both Locke and hs father were strangled?

Well, as always there are questions, although this episode answered some questions and gave us farther info.

- Why didn’t Widmore go back to the island? It seems that you can go back and Widmore knew where the island was?
- What war is coming? I can only discern two parties, the Losties and Locke’s/Ben’s/Richard’s flock/tribe.
- Locke says that only four days passed but that is not quite true, they time time jumped a few times, how does time jumping actually count. If 4 days were 30 years, then the 100 days that they spend on the island would be ….. …..it is just too late to calculate but the math doesn’t add up.
- The two locals tried to capture Ben, where they Widmore lackeys?
- For some reason I do not believe that Helen is dead.
- Who are the newbies? Why did Caesar hide the gun? How did they find the Station so quickly? It seemed to me that especially Caesar knew the destination before he boarded, just a hunch.
- What really happened between Ben and Widmore? What was Richard’s role in the conflict? I have a small problem with the time line though. When did Widmore become the leader, when was he ousted and when did Ben lead the purge? Was Widmore Horace’s boss and he fled before getting killed? If so why did Richard switch sides? Wouldn’t that mean that Penny was born on the island? This makes my head hurt a bit but Eloise told each one of us to take a Leap of Faith…..
- Will Walt appear again? I am ok with his story line, although some of his special abilities and stuff were not fully explained but by now I have come to accept the fact that not everything will be answered.

I actually find it a good idea that they switched 316 with this one, it makes for better drama.

Why would anybody ever trust Ben again, he tried to kill Locke twice now, even if the second time the reasoning is ambiguous as he may have needed to in order for Locke to come back to the living when they get back to the island.

Nevertheless Ben is a lying son of a gun…… he has returned to the island.

You guys are great, in Greek we say evxaristo (thank you)!

Take care…/

Ilias

http://www.ofspiritandsoul.com/earth%20vortices/vortices.html

I can’t claim to completely understand this article, but it’s interesting that Santo Domingo is considered by some to be a major vortices (high energy spot) as is Ayers Rock.

Some other familiar locales are vortices or areas of good energy:
Iraq (minor voritice)
Indonesia* (minor vortice)
Tuniasia (place of good energy)
Seychelles (minor vortice)
Egypt- particularlly the area around the pyramids (and Sphinx?) (minor vortices)
Australia (area of good energy)

There are also areas of negative energy cited. Negative energy is a ‘natural’ phenomenon. We need the natural negative energy to balance the positive (yin-yang)

Interestingly, there are some more familiar areas listed here:

All the Grand Canyon area, Phoenix in Arizona, Los Angeles, Las Vegas, Sierra Nevada’s, Mount St. Helens
Indonesia (again)
North and South Korea

What do you guys think. Love the podcast. You all and Jay and Jack are my favs each week.

Here is the screencap http://getlostpodcast.iimmgg.com/image/8838c6e2f6366a96b715a3fd9d567546 (hope it is okay to post this Ryan) if not, I am sorry.

It lists “imaginary time” and “imaginary space” I wonder if this could be the “magic box” where all your dreams come true? Maybe Locke’s dad wasn’t there, it was just a different dimension.

I certainly missed something too, but apparently other lost fans haven’t from this wikipedia site: http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Charlotte

The Charlotte page says: Charlotte Staples Lewis was born on July 2, 1979 in Essex, England to parents David and Jeannette and was raised in Bromsgrove, Worcestershire, England along with two younger sisters. The validity of this statement is unknown however, as Charlotte has since stated that she was born on the Island, and that her father did not leave with her and her mother. (“Confirmed Dead”) (“This Place Is Death”)

So maybe Essex, England could be where her parents were born (before they were on the island), and they decided to use that same place for her forged birth certificates when she left the island. For all we know, she may have a father and two sisters that are still living on the island (but since the purge happened, that may be unlikely).

-Marco

Love all the comments.

Here’s some Lapidus thoughts:

Could Lapidus and Sun be the Canoe shooters? They missed conspicously – as a possible ‘warning’?

Could Lapidus be doing the air drops for Dharma back in the day?? As more than one poster pointed out he can really fly well.

I do hope he gets some more air time and back story.

It has been revealed that Sun’s father is a business associate of Widmore, and Jin was told he had to get on that flight to LA to deliver a watch, he was actually threatened in the restroom because Sun was thinking of runnning away with Sun. So he seems to be one of the people destined to be there, along with Sun. (flashback scene in season finale of season 1)

Terry O’Quinn and Michael Emerson and that episode all deserve an emmy.

But here’s my still unresolved issue. So perhaps it was fate and not coincidence that brought the people on O815 to that flight… we now see that Abaddon (as an agent of Widmore) helped get Locke and Hurley there. But even so… the reason 815 went down was Desmond failed to hit the button in the Swan in time. So even if someone (Widmore?) put those people on the plane, he couldn’t have known Desmond was there and would fail to hit the button on time [but not so late that the Hatch would blow up], especially since Ben apparently didn’t even know he was there (though we know Mikhail could have seen him). So was 815′s crash both fate AND coincidence?

Soko — patience is a virtue. If we already knew why Ben looked so beat up and how all the O6 wound up on Ajira 316 there wouldn’t be much suspense, and everyone would be grumbling that they gave away too much too quickly. Seems to me like with such obsessive fans (myself included) the writers can’t win.

To all who commented about how Sun and Sayid were not supposed to be on 815, and how Sun and Lapidus were in the canoe, keep in mind that Lapidus WAS supposed to fly 815 and backed out at the last minute.

Camille — Excellent analogy between Richard and Locke. Consider that to Widmore, Locke must seem the way Richard has to all of us… from our perspective Richard has not aged and from Widmore’s, Locke has not aged. The whole crux of this show has been about self vs other, and we’ve seen this dyad with the Losties vs the Other and vs the Tailies and the Tailies vs the Others, as well as Dharma vs the Others… perspective means everything.

I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that Ben allowed himself to wind up with the injured 316 survivors. We’ve seen how adept he and the Others are at insinuating themselves into situations and allowing themselves to be captured.

Alex in MD — I saw Locke as the Emperor, not Obi Wan. Interesting homage though.

Most of what we saw was:

Locke: “Come back to the Island.”

O6 Person: “No, go away.”

I thought there would be more to the conversations than that. Also, he never mentioned his name was Jeremy Bentham to Walt, Jack, Hurley or Kate. Why were they using the name when they talked with each other? They even seemed scared to use his real name. Not sure why. Even if someone is listening to them, John is a pretty common name.

We didn’t see his whole conversation with Kate, so I supposed he could have said something to her about his cover name. Jack could have gotten off the admission chart, but why would he assume that’s the name Kate would recognize, why say “Jeremy Bentham” came to see me, and not “John came to see me?”

Once again Hurley’s in the dark, because he asks, “why are you calling him Jeremy Bentham?” Yeah, I want to know too. Maybe there is a second conversation we haven’t seen yet? Or more of the conversations we did see in another episode?

Or perhaps Ben knew Locke wouldn’t come back if he broke his neck (or would be paralized if he did) and talked him down so he could strangle him to death instead. Yes, he was doing him a favor. Ben is a good guy after all

@ Kevie: But isn’t Locke all of us, looking outside of ourselves for direction whether it’s from our parents, our pastors, our teachers etc. Aren’t we all struggling to find our own paths and looking for a guide just like Locke only to be disappointed when those we look up to let us down?

I tend to agree with the few posters above who believe that Ben is not as bad as we are made to think he is. I would LOVE to think that, in the end, he had reasons for every dastardly move he made. Man, Mr. Emerson, my hat is off to you! What a performance…every week!

Enough gushing for now…and I’ll surely have a theory to post later, but thats it for now. NYC says HI!

I’m becoming convinced that the whole idea of Locke being a leader is pure crap, whether it’s Ben or Widmore saying it. Lock unfortunately hit it on the nose in this episode: he can’t motivate anybody to do anything. He doesn’t even know his own mind. Over the course of this episode he started out doing what Richard and Christian had told him to do, then he worked for Widmore, then he lost faith entirely, then he became a believer in Ben again, only to get screwed yet again.

Since the end of season one, the only real talent Locke has displayed is the ability to be talked into anything by anyone. Throughout season one he had his own agenda, but that’s because he thought the island was talking to him, and Ben talked him down from that easily enough.

Locke has shown himself time and again to be exactly what Jack said he was: a sad little man easily manipulated with grandiose fantasies about himself.

Where to begin? Maybe by the time I get to the end

First thoughts…much better episode than “316”. This is a very subjective statement I know. Both were structured very similarly. Both fleshed out plot points that we were already expecting. But I just left with a more satisfactory taste at the end.

So, lets get started with the episode:
• I liked how quickly we were introduced to Caesar. The short scene at the beginning quickly made it clear that he will be an important character. His secrecy, his inquisitive nature, his immediate elevation to leader of the castaways from 316 all spoke volumes.
• I liked the Obi-wan Kenobi-esque reveal of Locke at the beginning. Luke Skywalker had been told that Kenobi was dead and Obi-wan was first revealed with the dramatic removal of a hood. A great moment. A bit cliché, but they didn’t dwell on it.
• Another shoe sighting in the foreground on the beach the morning after the crash.
• Still not sure if it is Linus or Widmore who is the bad guy. (More on that later). John asked Widmore why he was special, and Widmore responded, “Because you are.” I wonder if Widmore had meant to finish that sentence, but got distracted when the car arrived. If that is the case, the line would read, “Because you are…” And the line about “A war is coming, John, and if they all don’t come back, the wrong side will win” was spectacular!!! The energy of the show is building and building. You can taste the reckoning coming on the horizon.
• I loved seeing Walt again. The meeting had a real natural quality to it that left me with the sense of the fondness of visiting with old friends. But I am more certain than ever that Walt’s absence on the island will be significant. There was just too many repetitions that they all need to come back for this to be something that can be brushed off. Of course, I could be wrong and the only purpose was to foreshadow John in the coming episodes. But I am keeping an open mind.
• I LOVED Hurley’s blasé reaction when he thought Locke was dead and his panicked reaction when he realized that Locke wasn’t.
• The other emotion that I saw in Locke’s face when Kate mentioned loving someone was regret. Locke understood the regret of losing time with someone you love and that is why he didn’t press Kate anymore.
• OK…how do I say this without sounding like a sociopath. Maybe if I remind you that these are all fictional characters. Well…maybe that doesn’t make the following any better. Abaddon’s death scene was fantastic! He was such a cool character that he really deserved a spectacular death. The way his body slumped (almost slithered) off the car was visceral. And anyways…we all know that just because you are dead on LOST…doesn’t always mean that you’ll stay dead.
• Did anyone notice that John’s accident that brought him face to face with Jack was with an SUV. I’ve lost track of how many SUV significant car accidents have happened with SUVs. I love leitmotifs!
• I didn’t like the fact that the only thing that Jack needed to be told was that Christian said “hi”. We already knew that from the episode when John pushed the donkey wheel. So, there was no real surprise there. But I suppose it was satisfied that it was enough to get Jack serious enough to begin taking flights to try to make it back. His repeated failures getting to the island led to him realizing that for whatever reason, the whole group needed to go back.
• I loved that the way that Jon wanted to kill himself was a leap. Since he had completely given up, it was a leap without faith.
• As for the strangulation…Ben clearly came prepared to kill John. But Ben also knows that island doesn’t want John dead, which may be why he was so careful to keep the body in good condition and to get him back to the island. If Ben knows this, his actions while crude, violent and cold-hearted, they still might lead to a positive outcome. Might.
• One last thing. It sill might be the case that a trip on the Donkeywheel express is still a one-way ticket off “The Island”. The fact that they are on the other island must be significant, too. It still might end up that neither Ben nor John will end up back on “The Island”. Time will tell.

I hope next week is as good as this week.

Keep up the great podcast!!!

Oh, and hats off to “Russell”. The connection between Abaddon and Walt is intriguing. I would love for that to pan out.

Thanks Jen & Ryan- love your podcasts, blogs and insights!

Did anyone notice the poster on the wall behind Dr. Evelyn Ariza as she makes her way into the room to confront Jack? You can only see part of it but it reads, “Generations”.

I think we saw this mini-theme play out in this episode.
(I am just looking for a little validation.)

@Bomir: Well when Locke fell out of that cliff (trying to climb up to the airplane), Alpert did say to lay off the leg and the island will do the rest. If you haven’t noticed by now, the island has miraculous healing abilities. Lock has been shot at and has broken/sprained his leg (his same leg might I add) about three times. Jack survived an appendectomy. Ben survived a major surgery (and without a lot of healing time if you recall). And Rose hasn’t shown any further signs of her cancer.

Also, Abbadon says he gets people where they need to be. The only way he would know where people need to be is to have some kind of foresight and Walt’s ability to see things before they happen (the exotic bird) has been evident throughout. Similar to when Walt appeared to Locke in the Pit and said, “you’ve got work to do.” And these premonitions were highlighted again this week when he said he keeps having that dream about Locke, a dream I believe will come to pass.

It would also make sense why Walt/Abbadon would side with Widmore. If he believed his dad might still be alive, Widmore probably hired him to round up the Freighter crew to help him get back to the Island. Or he might just blame Ben for the death of Michael. Either way, that gives him definite motive.

Maybe Christian has visited Jack more times than we’ve seen, and he is the one who said those things. Obviously Jack wouldn’t want to tell Kate this because of how it would sound, so he instead tells her that it was Locke who told him.

316 popups confirmed that Ben went after Penny and then the more intriguing one was that the noises that Jack heard before he found Kate on the bed were the same ones as he heard before he saw dead Christian. Hum. What happened to Kate when she gave up Aaron?

After this episode I believed Ben is truly evil and Darleton seemed to confirm that. He clearly is willing to kill as many people as necessary to achieve his goals – whatever they may be. His performance with Terry O’Quinn was just brilliant.

Widmore on the other hand is more complex. I don’t think he is good but maybe not as evil as Ben. What is the war he is referring to? Darma and the other’s in the 70s or Widmore and the other’s in the present?

Can’t wait for more!

This was a great episode. I know most people probably think the Desmond-centric episodes (Flashes Before Your Eyes, The Constant) are the best because of how much gets revealed, but my favorites have always been the Locke-centric episodes (Walkabout, Lockdown, etc). This character is so interwoven with the mythology of the show that we learn a great deal but also get to experience all of emotions with him.

In this brilliant episode, we start with him re-paralyzed and helpless in the middle of the desert; then we are as confused as he is when Widmore enters the picture spouting all of this information; we feel hope as Locke ventures out to convince the O6 to return and defeat each time he is turned down; we feel his pain in the powerful scene with Ben as he prepares to hang himself; and when he looks at Ben with those piercing eyes at the end, we feel his anger.

Terry O’Quinn does a masterful job with the slightest facial gestures. That scene when Kate asks him about Helen was incredible. In his face, we saw pain, betrayal, love, longing, rejection in a matter of seconds. In short, John Locke is LOST and so we are John Locke, filled with all these emotions and trying to figure out where to go, who to believe and what it all means in the grand scheme. Long live Locke.

How did Sayid get away from Ilana and why doesn’t she seem concerned about it? Where is Sayid?

Many people predicted that Ilana and Caesar were working for Ben, but it is not looking that way. Caesar did not know who Ben was at all. I am leaning towards them working for Widmore, but again they don’t seem to be on any specific mission the way the other Widmore-dispatched people were…

I googled “Caesar” and “Bible” (I know not everything here is Biblical, but thought it couldn’t hurt) and I came up with:
“Octavian, later known as Caesar Augustus, is only mentioned once in The Bible, when he ordered that a census be taken of the Roman world. That census caused the birth of Jesus Christ to occur in Bethlehem, exactly as prophesied, rather than in Nazareth where Joseph and Mary were then living.”

It definitely seems like LOST’s Caesar is in charge of things and keeping track of where everything is. I am curious to see where his allegiances lie, he definitely knows things, but how much?

I am disappointed if that is the case.

What a GREAT episode!

I think L.O.S.T. is Land Outside of Space and Time. We shall see….

I don’t think Ben or Widmore are particularly good or honest people. My question is was Eloise working for Widmore before Locke tipped Ben off that she was there and then Ben had to kill Locke and find some way to manipulate Eloise to help him get everyone else back. Eloise didn’t seem particularly afraid, per se, but she also didn’t seem to have much love for Ben either. The reason Eloise was ahead of Desmond by the time he got there is because Ben got there first.

I also think Richard might be whizzing through time like John, rather than being something supernatural.

If Locke is the Christ-character, then maybe he was supposed to sacrifice himself for the island, and maybe Ben talking Locke down kept him from making this sacrifice?

Ben killing Locke was an obvious turn, and apparently he just needed names first. I think this because Ben apparently KNEW Locke would hurt himself, or he wouldn’t have kicked the door down and been so smooth in convincing him to stop for a minute and trust Ben.

Also, we saw the number 23 directly point to a Character in the story – Widmore told John to dial 23 on his phone to instantly get in touch with him. So, are the Numbers == People???

Also, I think they just got rid of Walt for good. It was the writers’ way of telling us that they’re done with Walt. Here’s a dream, they let him go, no island, his rapid growth explained, there, end of story, can we let it go now?

Widmore knew the Exit point of the Island. Very interesting.

Why revisit Locke’s “Love”? Really?

Good episode, not my favorite at all. I did finally cave on the fact that Locke will do ANYTHING if you tell him he’s special.

Me: “Hey John, mow my lawn.”
John: “No”
Me: “But you must John, you’re special!”
John: “Well OK, where’s the mower.”

He’s just a puppet the others like to manipulate.

as for ajira – do you think the plane actually was landed softly on the runaway kate and sawyer helped built in season 3 on the hydra? the plane looked intact, everyone was accounted for and in that long shot of ceaser and illana walking by the plane it seems like a clear runaway.

The way he carried the gamut of emotions during his conversation with Kate alone — speaking a few lines, revealing volumes with his expressions…truly amazing.

And soko, I too was curious about John’s not revealing to Walt his alias of Jeremy Bentham. I am left wondering if Ben knows the alias and maybe tells Walt after Abaddon and John leave? A stretch, I know, but I got’s nothing aside from that.

I love the fact that I consistently can’t wait for next week’s episode.

Cheers

Namaste,
Mike in St. Louis

Widmore came accross as very genuine and believable…he makes Ben’s statements seem all the more false and desperate. Still, I am not ready to jump on the Widmore bandwagon, just yet. Maybe Ben seems desperate because he *IS* desperate…telling the truth and no one will believe him.

Anyway, I can’t wait to listen to your podcast again, which in my opinion is the best!
Cheers!

Héctor

What I am getting at is maybe, just maybe, what Ben did was not evil- though admittedly it sure looked like pure evil and smelled like pure evil, but like Judas he had to off Locke for the good of the rest (including himself)…This episode sure wanted us to like Widmore and hate Ben- but I am not sure we should be jumping on that flight to Widmore-ville just yet…what if – what if- what Ben did was what he had to do…what needed to be done…

Killing him so Ben can be the leader makes no sense if he is bringing Locke back and therefore back to life…except if he is just using “dead Locke” to get himself back to the island just to try and get rid of him there…which is entirely possible.

I have recently been watching the old Henry Gale episodes which I love and just saw the Helen episode (AKA Lockedown) which is a great compliment to This episode…you get to see that same struggle between ben and Locke and how ben has to help Locke when his leg is trapped under the door (BTW same leg that we see injured over and over and over again). I recommend that episode as and early look at this ongoing (and so well played) dilemma of whether Benjamin Linus is the good guy or the bad guy. He certainly does a lot of bad things…This episode made me excited for season 6 and the war that we first hear about when Jack asks Ana Lucia “how long does it take to train an army?” in Season 2.

Michael Emerson deserves an Emmy…he is just brilliant.

Love the podcast.

Just want to say that this episode was really great. 316 and The L and D of JB are very emotional and very personal and so effective. Together those episodes really illustrated to us how far we’ve come. Now I think this episode would have definitely worked better if it aired BEFORE 316, but it was still so much fun to see this way. It works both ways.

Widmore called that place in Tunisia as the “exit”. How appropriate. I have to say that it is hard NOT to be on Charles Widmore’s side now. A War is coming…. and the ‘wrong’ side shouldn’t win. Note how he didn’t say ‘bad’ or ‘evil’ side. ‘Wrong’. Well that’s a wee bit vague now isn’t. I still trust Widmore. I mean lets think of Widmore this way.

Widmore funded Daniel Faraday’s Research. Which mean that Widmore supports and understands Dan’s ‘work’. Okay. Now we know that Daniel tells Desmond that the ‘rules’ don’t apply to him, and that he’s special. Hmmm. Widmore has mentioned ‘rules’ before hasn’t he. Okay. So we know that Desmond spoke to Daniel in the early 90′s (the Constant). With ALL this information we know that Widmore has been brash, cruel, and very unfair TO Desmond, naturally we assume that Widmore is a ‘bad guy’. How can we not. But given the recent information on HOW much Widmore knows, we can assume that its a matter of perspective. What I’m trying to get at is, is it possible that Widmore KNOWS how special Desmond is, and that it’s his destiny to get to the island? Why not? He had Matthew Abbadon. He knows how to get people to the places there supposed to be. Via the race around the world (Live Together Die Alone). I’m just saying that Charles Widmore doesn’t sound as harsh as we considered him to be years ago. Now that we have more information. And may I mention that Charles also knew Ellie (who MAY be Dan’s mother) who regulates the Lamp Post. You can’t tell me that Charles with all his wisdom doesn’t know of the Lamp Post.

Sorry, I really got into Charles Widmore there. Now on to the rest of the episode.

I just want to say that Matthew Abbadon was a wonderful character. Very Mystical and Memorizing. I loved him.

Let me take the time to say that this episode has so many GREAT and I mean AMAZING performance’s by the likes of Terry O’Quinn, Michael Emmerson, Matthew Fox, even the fella that plays Abbadon. Wonderful performances, wow I almost forgot how great actors they all are. OOH Not to foget Widmore. Wonderful actor.

I was so shocked to see Abaddon get shot. That was no fair! Hugo was great, but his character is really starting to annoy me. He’s a little too psycho. He made up for himself in 316 by being the HUGO we all love and purchasing most of the tickets on 316.

I just want to say that SAYID JARRAH has been my favourite character since season 1. I love Sayid. That’s why it totally broke my heart to see who he became when he got off the island. An assassin…. FOR BEN LINUS… It was so relieving for me (Sayid’s number one fan) to see Sayid doing some good work for once.

Let me tell you about Sayid. He gets on O815 to find Nadia. He gets stuck on island for 100 days, he gets off and marries the woman he loves. Thank goodness. Then she gets murdered, and turns into a deadly assassin for Benjamin Linus, a man he swore to never trust. Then Sayid, a man with much wealth due to a large settlement of Oceanic Airlines, goes south of the border to help build schools? It’s a start Sayid. I still love you. You will find yourself again. I promise.

Kate was extraordinary, but utterly LOST in this episode wasn’t she?

Poor John and his long lost love…now dead. That’s heartbreaking.

Jack and John seeing each other was an amazing scene. Jack was stoned and probably drunk and was sporting the midbeard. It’s great. But to see him still NOT believing… I mean its retched.

YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER: That once Jack read’s the obit of Jeremy Bentham, he tries to kill himself. But Island didn’t let him. That is when Jack realized. Was it too late? Was it all apart of the grand scheme of things? It comes down to what YOU believe, doesn’t.

Benjamin Linus…Let me just say. He had me screaming at the top of my lungs at my TV. I think I threw my chair (no joke) to the floor. I couldn’t believe that he murdered John. I seriously did not expect that. BEN!!! I was just starting to trust you, you LIAR!!! THere is no reason why he killed Locke other than that Ben is cold, heartless, and the grandest manipulator in ALL of Television. I love that, but when you murder John Locke, that’s a whole ‘nother thing. I wonder what Locke is gonna do to Ben. (on the island)

I just want to make a note that the 316 Losties are on the 2nd “Hydra” Island. How odd, but amazing. And I although I have MANY questions: I have but ONE regarding this episode:

The Ajira 316 Plane. It’s on the Hydra Island. Where do the remains go, once were back in the ‘present time’ ? That’s all I want to know.

So far, no paradox’s. Every Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse written episode is amazing. These guys really know what they’re doing.

Thanks for reading. And thanks for this chance to voice my opinion.

xxxstraightedgexxx

Sincerely,

Knives Monroe from Texas.

I’ve been listening to your podcast for awhile, but this is my first post. I think last night’s episode kills the “Ben is a good guy” theory. I agree with paintergirl, Ben saved Locke to get the information he needed to and then killed him when he didn’t need him any more. Ben’s only motivation is to retake control of the island. The question still remains, however, if Charles Widmore is good or bad. I’m guessing he is also a “bad guy” and that, like Ben, he was trying to use Locke in order to retake the island.

Also, I have a theory unrelated to this last episode. I think Ben has already killed Penny. That’s why he was standing at the dock looking bloody and beaten. Penny’s death is going to cause Desmond to use his “time altering powers” to try and prevent this from happening. In order to accomplish this, Desmond will have to go back to the island. That’s my wacky theory and I’m sticking to it

Love the podcast, keep up the great work

Great episode last night! I’m more confused than ever though, as to who is good and who is bad. Who should we be rooting for? Are our Losties just pawns in this game between widmore and ben? Something tells me that the Losties will turn the tables on both ben and widmore in the end.

I was bothered by Locke-Jack’s scene. In season 3 finale, Jack is broken up enough over Locke’s death to attemt suicide. In last season’s finale, Jack says that Locke told him that “bad things happened after I left. And he said it was my fault for leaving.” Jack also told Kate that Locke said the only way to keep her and Aaron safe was to go back to the island. Did I miss something? Locke said none of those things to Jack during their encounter! Ryan and Jen, PLEASE help me make sense of this!

Hope you guys are well!

WOW!

What an amazing episode! We now know how the story got to where we are at now. I knew Ben couldn’t be trusted! Ben has tried to kill him once before and I got a little emotional at the end..LOL. Why didn’t Locke listen to Christian Shepard…he listened to Ben and look where that got him.

It seems to me that the Oceanic 6 are in a different time period(Darhma Days) than Locke and the “New Losties”. I think they are in the future.

Question: If Locke stopped the wheel, and the island has indeed stopped “time shifting” will Locke meet up with Jack and the rest of the O6?

Theory: I am wondering if it was Sun and lupidas that took a canoe..
Question 2: If so why didn’t Sun get transported back in time with the O6?

Question: Why doesn’t Locke remember the canoe’s?..or does he..

It was just “4″ days ago that he paddled around the island to get to the Orchid station..

I think we “sort of” know who “could have been” on the other canoe..maybe..The New Losties.

OMG..I just want to “Flash Forward” to next weeks episode!

look forward to the Podcast!

-Jonine

Ok, sorry for the biblical speak (I’m not even that overly religeous). The sad thing is, looking at the promo for next week’s episode LaFleur, we see Ben walking in the woods with Sun, so clearly he doesn’t become Locke’s prisoner (bumber). Oh well, I can’t wait until the site is back up again. I hope to be listening from you guys soon!

I felt this episode was darker and creepier than I would have liked, but I trust the writers had good reason.

My husband and I were discussing motivation for Ben to first save Locke and then kill him. We believe he didn’t know the name of the person who could help both Ben and the Oceanic Six return to the island. When he finds Locke about to hang himself, he sees it as a lost opportunity to use someone to get to the island. Once he gets Eloise’s name, however, he sees Locke as only a threat to his leadership once back on the island. If this is the case, though, why work so hard to get Locke’s body back on the island? Is it only as a proxy? Does he know the island will restore Locke?

However, Abaddon’s dead! – I think he’s creepy and wanted to see more of him.

I want to go on the record – when this is all said and done, I think the Jughead will be blown up the day before 815 flies (therefore never crashing – not my theory, but I like it!) – but Locke will find Helen and hook up with her before she dies in 2006 (that’s my idea!).

Love the podcast! Look forward to it each week – would have left a message on the Lost Line – but It’s 1:40 AM your time and I didnt’ want to wake you up! Ha hA

I hope your site is back up soon — would love to take part in the discussion.

I absolutely LOVED the acting by Michae Emerson and Terry O’Quinn at the end… plus a brief and fleeting moment of insight from Kate AND Jack in the same episode. Amazing.

Did we see a brief glimpse of Nadia in the Tunisian hospital?

Anyhow, I am sure I saw Sayid’s “murdered” wife (nardia) in the hospital in Tunisia when Locke appears, since Locke subsequently visits Sayid and is told a few years have past since his wife was murdered, is she still ALIVE