Comments on: The Beginning of the End http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/ A fan podcast focused on ABC's hit TV series, "Lost." Fri, 27 Jan 2012 02:06:51 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Paul V http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-2/#comment-33364 Paul V Fri, 08 Feb 2008 17:40:30 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33364 Watched it again last night and the two shots of Jacob, the close-up and the silhouette were definitely Christian Shephard. I hadn't heard that theory before I realized it, so I'm definitely in that camp. Watched it again last night and the two shots of Jacob, the close-up and the silhouette were definitely Christian Shephard. I hadn’t heard that theory before I realized it, so I’m definitely in that camp.

]]> By: Johnny http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-2/#comment-33329 Johnny Thu, 07 Feb 2008 23:04:27 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33329 Kate is not one of the Six and Juilet is ot either cuase she was not on the flight. I think The six are Jack Hurley Locke Sawyer Claire and Arron. Ben would never leave the island. So who is in the coffin that would make Jack so emotional and Kate so disgusted. Could it be Juliet? Thats why a small coffin. Kate would be disgusted because of the kiss she layed on Jack and Jack would definately be emotional about her death. And if i remember Juilet did not have any family other than her sister and dead husband who was killed by the others. So no one would come to the funneral. She would not be family to Jack and would she really be a friend if she double crossed them to get off the island? My bet is it is Juilet in the coffin. she not part of the six and if one of those died it would bring some press to the funneral. Kate is not one of the Six and Juilet is ot either cuase she was not on the flight.
I think The six are Jack Hurley Locke Sawyer Claire and Arron.
Ben would never leave the island.

So who is in the coffin that would make Jack so emotional and Kate so disgusted. Could it be Juliet? Thats why a small coffin. Kate would be disgusted because of the kiss she layed on Jack and Jack would definately be emotional about her death. And if i remember Juilet did not have any family other than her sister and dead husband who was killed by the others. So no one would come to the funneral. She would not be family to Jack and would she really be a friend if she double crossed them to get off the island?
My bet is it is Juilet in the coffin. she not part of the six and if one of those died it would bring some press to the funneral.

]]> By: mikefrommaine http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-2/#comment-33325 mikefrommaine Thu, 07 Feb 2008 04:34:43 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33325 Has Hurley met Christian in the past? If that was Christian in the rocking chair, would Hurley been able to see him if it is just a manifestation of his imagination if he had never met him? Also, my hunch tells me that Kate isn't one of the Oceanic 6. Why would Jack be free to visit Hurley in the institute, but have to meet secretly with Kate? I think Kate is living low key now because she's wanted by the cops, but this show will take a million more directions in the next 47 episodes, so who knows. That's why this show is so great. From September through last Sunday, I'd count down the days each week until Sunday because of football. Now I'm doing the same with Thursdays and Lost! Has Hurley met Christian in the past? If that was Christian in the rocking chair, would Hurley been able to see him if it is just a manifestation of his imagination if he had never met him? Also, my hunch tells me that Kate isn’t one of the Oceanic 6. Why would Jack be free to visit Hurley in the institute, but have to meet secretly with Kate? I think Kate is living low key now because she’s wanted by the cops, but this show will take a million more directions in the next 47 episodes, so who knows. That’s why this show is so great. From September through last Sunday, I’d count down the days each week until Sunday because of football. Now I’m doing the same with Thursdays and Lost!

]]> By: Bryan http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-2/#comment-33323 Bryan Thu, 07 Feb 2008 03:34:29 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33323 Tori, The Oceanic six, are not the group you have noted. It apparently doesn't have anything to do with country of origin. Yeah, I read a spoiler, accidentally if you can believe that. I'm more interested in knowing WHY they were the 6 and why the rest got left behind. Shuffles. I think that's a great theory about the coffin. Tori,

The Oceanic six, are not the group you have noted. It apparently doesn’t have anything to do with country of origin. Yeah, I read a spoiler, accidentally if you can believe that. I’m more interested in knowing WHY they were the 6 and why the rest got left behind.

Shuffles.
I think that’s a great theory about the coffin.

]]> By: Dave http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-2/#comment-33318 Dave Wed, 06 Feb 2008 23:01:59 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33318 Ryan and Jen, Your podcast most decidedly did not suck! I hope you guys decide to keep doing this with each episode, maybe even resurrecting the AAC feed as well! Ryan and Jen,

Your podcast most decidedly did not suck! I hope you guys decide to keep doing this with each episode, maybe even resurrecting the AAC feed as well!

]]> By: Shuffles http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-2/#comment-33315 Shuffles Wed, 06 Feb 2008 20:49:38 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33315 My Coffin theory: Its Michael. Based on what, you may ask? * The newspaper clipping said something to the effect of 'New York man found dead in LA'. Michael was from New York. * Michael didn't appear to be a very tall man, therefore, smaller than average coffin. * When Jack asked Kate if she went to the funeral, she looked disgusted like she couldn't believe Jack asked her that. That may have been a look you would have expected from Kate considering Michael left them for dead when he and Walt left. * Jack was visibly upset as he stood next to the coffin. By this time Jack was desperate to get back to the island, and may have felt that since Michael got away from the island, perhaps he knew the secret to return to the island. Now that Michael is gone, the way back is gone as well. My Coffin theory:
Its Michael. Based on what, you may ask?
* The newspaper clipping said something to the effect of ‘New York man found dead in LA’. Michael was from New York.
* Michael didn’t appear to be a very tall man, therefore, smaller than average coffin.
* When Jack asked Kate if she went to the funeral, she looked disgusted like she couldn’t believe Jack asked her that. That may have been a look you would have expected from Kate considering Michael left them for dead when he and Walt left.
* Jack was visibly upset as he stood next to the coffin. By this time Jack was desperate to get back to the island, and may have felt that since Michael got away from the island, perhaps he knew the secret to return to the island. Now that Michael is gone, the way back is gone as well.

]]> By: JohnyTsunami http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-2/#comment-33313 JohnyTsunami Wed, 06 Feb 2008 20:21:28 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33313 I have to disagree with all of that. The episode was EXACTLY like what I loved from season 1. It enticed you. It thrilled you. And yes sometimes it confused you but it was completely worth it. I loved the split again, this time Jack losing command. Also the thing about this episode is that you really don't know what's real and what isn't. Until the writers give us some clarification on Hurley's condition we won't ever know if Dave existed or what he saw in the hut was real! Anyway this is coming from a fan who is always skeptical of the show just because I love it too much to see it go down the trash and believe me when I say, "LOST is back, settle in for the ride." I have to disagree with all of that. The episode was EXACTLY like what I loved from season 1. It enticed you. It thrilled you. And yes sometimes it confused you but it was completely worth it. I loved the split again, this time Jack losing command. Also the thing about this episode is that you really don’t know what’s real and what isn’t. Until the writers give us some clarification on Hurley’s condition we won’t ever know if Dave existed or what he saw in the hut was real!

Anyway this is coming from a fan who is always skeptical of the show just because I love it too much to see it go down the trash and believe me when I say, “LOST is back, settle in for the ride.”

]]> By: Peter http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-2/#comment-33275 Peter Tue, 05 Feb 2008 04:16:15 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33275 this review sucked this review sucked

]]> By: NuckinFuts http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-2/#comment-33274 NuckinFuts Tue, 05 Feb 2008 00:13:02 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33274 VancouverISlost Says: February 2nd, 2008 at 8:16 am I’m really iffy about this new Season. A few points: (1) Could part of the LOST six be Micheal and Walt - they left the Island. We know Harold Perrineau is coming back (annouced at comiccon). He’s listed in IMDB in Confirmed Dead and The Economist. My vote for the sixth person is Juliet since she wanted to see her sister so bad. HMMM - - I GUESS IT COULD BE MICHAEL AND WALT, BUT I WOULD SAY NOT JULIET .... SHE WAS NOT ON THE PLANE... AND IF THERE IS A COVER-UP IT WOULD BE WITH KNOWN PASSENGERS I THINK....SHE WOULD SIMPLY HAVE TO RE-ENTER INTO HER LIFE...SHE MAY BE CARRYING SECRETS TOO, BUT I DOUBT SHE WOULD BE ASSOCIATED W/ THE OCEANIC 6.... (2) I don’t think it’s unusual to have people not die on the Island - the Island has healing powers as seen in several episodes. I'M WITH YOU HERE -- (3) Where is the “monster” - the odd smoky thing? We haven’t seen it for a very long time. It seems they have dropped this thing from sight. No one seems to be afraid of it anymore. I THOUGHT THE SAME AT FIRST...BUT I THINK IT IS THE SUPER LONG BREAK WE'VE HAD FROM THE SHOW MESSING W/ YOU HERE....IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY JULIET AND KATE SAW THE ROMPASTOMPASAURUS SMOKE THINGY ONLY A FEW DAYS AGO ON ISLAND TIME WHEN THEY WERE HANDCUFFED TOGETHER...SINCE THEN THEY CAME BACK ( ABOUT 2 DAYS AFTER THAT ) AND NOW WE ARE ABOUT ANOTHER FEW DAYS .... IT'S HARD TO KEEP UP I KNOW.... (4) If the Darhma Initative was so huge and they set-up the Island, what prevented them from finding the Island again when all the Darhma people were killed? YEAH - - AND THE FOOD DROPS ARE COVERED W/ DHARMA LOGOS....SOMETHING DOESN'T ADD UP JUST YET....MAYBE BEN AND DHARMA ARE WORKING TOGETHER STILL....HMMMM.....MAYBE BECUASE DHARMA WAS APPARENTLY INTERESTED IN BUILDING A NEW SOCIAL COMMUNITY AND PSHYCOLOGICAL EXPERIMENTATION THEY HAVE SIMPLY LET THE ISLAND INHABITANTS RUN THEIR OWN SHOW IN SOME ASPECTS.......SO IF SOMEONE IN THE EXPERIMENT GOES NUTS, KILLS EVERYONE, TAKES OVER IT IS REALLY JUST MORE "DATA" THAT THEY ARE COLLECTING FOR THEIR OVERALL EXPERIMENT.... I LOVE THEORIES! - - THANKS VANCOUVER! VancouverISlost Says:

February 2nd, 2008 at 8:16 am
I’m really iffy about this new Season.
A few points:

(1) Could part of the LOST six be Micheal and Walt – they left the Island. We know Harold Perrineau is coming back (annouced at comiccon). He’s listed in IMDB in Confirmed Dead and The Economist. My vote for the sixth person is Juliet since she wanted to see her sister so bad.

HMMM – - I GUESS IT COULD BE MICHAEL AND WALT, BUT I WOULD SAY NOT JULIET …. SHE WAS NOT ON THE PLANE… AND IF THERE IS A COVER-UP IT WOULD BE WITH KNOWN PASSENGERS I THINK….SHE WOULD SIMPLY HAVE TO RE-ENTER INTO HER LIFE…SHE MAY BE CARRYING SECRETS TOO, BUT I DOUBT SHE WOULD BE ASSOCIATED W/ THE OCEANIC 6….

(2) I don’t think it’s unusual to have people not die on the Island – the Island has healing powers as seen in several episodes.

I’M WITH YOU HERE —

(3) Where is the “monster” – the odd smoky thing? We haven’t seen it for a very long time. It seems they have dropped this thing from sight. No one seems to be afraid of it anymore.

I THOUGHT THE SAME AT FIRST…BUT I THINK IT IS THE SUPER LONG BREAK WE’VE HAD FROM THE SHOW MESSING W/ YOU HERE….IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY JULIET AND KATE SAW THE ROMPASTOMPASAURUS SMOKE THINGY ONLY A FEW DAYS AGO ON ISLAND TIME WHEN THEY WERE HANDCUFFED TOGETHER…SINCE THEN THEY CAME BACK ( ABOUT 2 DAYS AFTER THAT ) AND NOW WE ARE ABOUT ANOTHER FEW DAYS …. IT’S HARD TO KEEP UP I KNOW….

(4) If the Darhma Initative was so huge and they set-up the Island, what prevented them from finding the Island again when all the Darhma people were killed?

YEAH – - AND THE FOOD DROPS ARE COVERED W/ DHARMA LOGOS….SOMETHING DOESN’T ADD UP JUST YET….MAYBE BEN AND DHARMA ARE WORKING TOGETHER STILL….HMMMM…..MAYBE BECUASE DHARMA WAS APPARENTLY INTERESTED IN BUILDING A NEW SOCIAL COMMUNITY AND PSHYCOLOGICAL EXPERIMENTATION THEY HAVE SIMPLY LET THE ISLAND INHABITANTS RUN THEIR OWN SHOW IN SOME ASPECTS…….SO IF SOMEONE IN THE EXPERIMENT GOES NUTS, KILLS EVERYONE, TAKES OVER IT IS REALLY JUST MORE “DATA” THAT THEY ARE COLLECTING FOR THEIR OVERALL EXPERIMENT….

I LOVE THEORIES! – - THANKS VANCOUVER!

]]> By: Connie in Alaska http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-2/#comment-33273 Connie in Alaska Mon, 04 Feb 2008 20:07:45 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33273 Based on the way he exited, I think Abbadon is Smokie OR Hurley THINKS it is Smokie. One minute Abbadon is sitting at the table. Hurley freaks out at calls for someone to get Abbadon out of there. He looks back and Abbadon is gone, but the door is just closing and it looks like a whisp of black smoke or a dark shadow is slipping through the door as it does. My only snag is that in the past the producers have hinted that the Smoke Monster is "tied" to land or the island somehow. Hmmm... At any rate, in this episode we had at least two instances of Hurley seeing someone that could possibly have only been in his imagination: Charlie and Abbadon. In each of these instances we have OTHER witnesses who also see these people. The nurse points out that he has a visitor and there sits Abbadon, and the weird patient who alerts Hurley to Charlie's presence. What are we to make of this? Based on the way he exited, I think Abbadon is Smokie OR Hurley THINKS it is Smokie. One minute Abbadon is sitting at the table. Hurley freaks out at calls for someone to get Abbadon out of there. He looks back and Abbadon is gone, but the door is just closing and it looks like a whisp of black smoke or a dark shadow is slipping through the door as it does.

My only snag is that in the past the producers have hinted that the Smoke Monster is “tied” to land or the island somehow. Hmmm…

At any rate, in this episode we had at least two instances of Hurley seeing someone that could possibly have only been in his imagination: Charlie and Abbadon. In each of these instances we have OTHER witnesses who also see these people. The nurse points out that he has a visitor and there sits Abbadon, and the weird patient who alerts Hurley to Charlie’s presence. What are we to make of this?

]]> By: Tori http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-2/#comment-33270 Tori Mon, 04 Feb 2008 17:19:35 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33270 Thanks for the clarification, xtremdelt! Great points! Thanks for the clarification, xtremdelt! Great points!

]]> By: xtremdelt http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-2/#comment-33266 xtremdelt Mon, 04 Feb 2008 04:41:24 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33266 One more thing: If you watch the episode again, when Hurley is asked about Ana Lucia, you can tell he gives a scripted responce. Remember, they are all supposed to be hiding the fact that there were any more survivors (from what I've gathered) For whatever reason, Oceanic, or their lawyers, or Widmore, or the Hanso Foundation, or the Maxwell group, or whoever is pulling the stings has a tight hold on what the Oceanic 6 can and can't say. We already saw at the end of Season 3 that Jack is "tired of lying." This time around, it was Hurley who wanted to tell the truth. You could see it on his face that he wanted to tell the detective about Ana..but he had to stick to the script. It's great writing. I think this is going to be a great season. One more thing:

If you watch the episode again, when Hurley is asked about Ana Lucia, you can tell he gives a scripted responce. Remember, they are all supposed to be hiding the fact that there were any more survivors (from what I’ve gathered) For whatever reason, Oceanic, or their lawyers, or Widmore, or the Hanso Foundation, or the Maxwell group, or whoever is pulling the stings has a tight hold on what the Oceanic 6 can and can’t say.

We already saw at the end of Season 3 that Jack is “tired of lying.” This time around, it was Hurley who wanted to tell the truth. You could see it on his face that he wanted to tell the detective about Ana..but he had to stick to the script.

It’s great writing. I think this is going to be a great season.

]]> By: xtremdelt http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-2/#comment-33265 xtremdelt Mon, 04 Feb 2008 04:21:47 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33265 The game of HORSE obviously came long before suicidal Jack with the beard. He told Hurley in that scene that he was going to get back into working at the hospital. He seemed happy and healthy and at the beginning of the episode (when he was watching the car chase on the news, he mixed jsut a small amount of vodka in his orange juice). Not the drug addict/alcoholic we saw at the end of season 3. I can't wait to see what starts Jack's downward spiral. Something else to think about: The game of HORSE stopped after 2 shots. Jack had "H-O" Also, Charlie was seen in the convenience store by the "Ho-Hos" H is the 8th letter of the alphabet. O is the 15th. You do the math. The game of HORSE obviously came long before suicidal Jack with the beard. He told Hurley in that scene that he was going to get back into working at the hospital. He seemed happy and healthy and at the beginning of the episode (when he was watching the car chase on the news, he mixed jsut a small amount of vodka in his orange juice).
Not the drug addict/alcoholic we saw at the end of season 3. I can’t wait to see what starts Jack’s downward spiral.

Something else to think about:

The game of HORSE stopped after 2 shots. Jack had “H-O”
Also, Charlie was seen in the convenience store by the “Ho-Hos”
H is the 8th letter of the alphabet. O is the 15th.

You do the math.

]]> By: Tori http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-2/#comment-33264 Tori Mon, 04 Feb 2008 03:38:10 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33264 One thought is that the "Oceanic 6" are just the Americans-- Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley, Rose, Bernard-- and that those from other countries made it back to their countries and didn't receive this assignation. Also, can someone clarify the Jack beard dialogue between Jack and Hurley? I.e., did Jack's beard of last season (and his near suicide attempt) come before or after the scene in the gym? Thanks to anyone who can clarify! One thought is that the “Oceanic 6″ are just the Americans– Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley, Rose, Bernard– and that those from other countries made it back to their countries and didn’t receive this assignation.

Also, can someone clarify the Jack beard dialogue between Jack and Hurley? I.e., did Jack’s beard of last season (and his near suicide attempt) come before or after the scene in the gym?

Thanks to anyone who can clarify!

]]> By: Steve http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-2/#comment-33263 Steve Sun, 03 Feb 2008 18:13:06 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33263 Today, they said at the news the strike is close to an end.. and Lost's producers said if the strike end before Febuary 20, Lost will be not affect... too much.. maybe just a break after the 8th episode....hope is there !! Today, they said at the news the strike is close to an end.. and Lost’s producers said if the strike end before Febuary 20, Lost will be not affect… too much.. maybe just a break after the 8th episode….hope is there !!

]]> By: HeyBrah http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-2/#comment-33262 HeyBrah Sun, 03 Feb 2008 17:55:54 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33262 Ryan, do you think that they'll be a 6th season if the writers strike isn't resolved in time? I've been reading that ABC, CBS, and NBC are planning on buying primetime shows from Canada. What's your spin on the future of LOST, as far as the impact of the writer's strike goes? Ryan, do you think that they’ll be a 6th season if the writers strike isn’t resolved in time? I’ve been reading that ABC, CBS, and NBC are planning on buying primetime shows from Canada. What’s your spin on the future of LOST, as far as the impact of the writer’s strike goes?

]]> By: DaRealDeal http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-2/#comment-33251 DaRealDeal Sun, 03 Feb 2008 05:48:48 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33251 POSSIBLE SPOILER ALERT...I REPEAT POSSIBLE SPOILER ALERT! PLEASE Do NOT read if you want to figure out who the Oceanic Six are on your own. According to one source on these next 8 episodes these are the people who have flash forwards...Hurley, Sayid, Kate, Jin, and Sun...when you add Jack to these five you get six...However, earlier theories may have been correct when someone stated that there may have been more than six who got off the island, but perhaps just not were made known to the public. POSSIBLE SPOILER ALERT…I REPEAT POSSIBLE SPOILER ALERT! PLEASE Do NOT read if you want to figure out who the Oceanic Six are on your own.

According to one source on these next 8 episodes these are the people who have flash forwards…Hurley, Sayid, Kate, Jin, and Sun…when you add Jack to these five you get six…However, earlier theories may have been correct when someone stated that there may have been more than six who got off the island, but perhaps just not were made known to the public.

]]> By: Becky http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-2/#comment-33250 Becky Sun, 03 Feb 2008 01:46:23 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33250 Heybrah - I did some more looking and if you go to www.find815.com you will find that it is a game. Oh, well....ABC is trying to get more people involved I guess. Thanks. Heybrah – I did some more looking and if you go to http://www.find815.com you will find that it is a game. Oh, well….ABC is trying to get more people involved I guess. Thanks.

]]> By: Heybrah http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-2/#comment-33249 Heybrah Sun, 03 Feb 2008 01:41:02 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33249 Becky, just another back story (I think) being told (my opinion) ... what's troubling is that it sounds as if the Blackrock is now under water instead of on it's beached position. Becky,

just another back story (I think) being told (my opinion) … what’s troubling is that it sounds as if the Blackrock is now under water instead of on it’s beached position.

]]> By: Becky http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-2/#comment-33248 Becky Sat, 02 Feb 2008 23:09:42 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33248 What is up with the Lost: Sam's Video Diary 1-5 at http://abc.go.com/video/index? Sam is an employee of Oceanic Airlines and Sonja's (a flight attendant on FL 815) boyfriend. He is searching for her aboard a boat - Christian 1 whose mission is to find "Blackrock" and talks about some "Maxwell group". What do you make of this? What is up with the Lost: Sam’s Video Diary 1-5 at http://abc.go.com/video/index? Sam is an employee of Oceanic Airlines and Sonja’s (a flight attendant on FL 815) boyfriend. He is searching for her aboard a boat – Christian 1 whose mission is to find “Blackrock” and talks about some “Maxwell group”. What do you make of this?

]]> By: Writers Strike Over? — Hawaii Blog http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-2/#comment-33247 Writers Strike Over? — Hawaii Blog Sat, 02 Feb 2008 21:59:51 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33247 [...] fourth season. (My wife and I blogged our reaction to the Season 4 premiere episode over at The Transmission.) Supposedly, part of the season could be salvaged if the strike ends before Feb. 20 (and if the [...] [...] fourth season. (My wife and I blogged our reaction to the Season 4 premiere episode over at The Transmission.) Supposedly, part of the season could be salvaged if the strike ends before Feb. 20 (and if the [...]

]]> By: Heybrah http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-2/#comment-33246 Heybrah Sat, 02 Feb 2008 21:23:15 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33246 Julie: what a catch you made? ... sounds more and more like there will be a return of the "Oceanic 6 to the Island" for a final battle of good vs. evil (as originally suggested here) ... what a mind game that ABADDON layed onto Hurley: "How many did you leave behind?" Just a thought: way back during season 1, it was mentioned that John Locke would be the equivalent character of a Stephen King character in the Stand and that the Stand was largely the plot basis for LOST. Locke's character was definetly mentioned as being an evil one who had the power to gather new members ... can somebody help with this? Julie: what a catch you made? … sounds more and more like there will be a return of the “Oceanic 6 to the Island” for a final battle of good vs. evil (as originally suggested here) … what a mind game that ABADDON layed onto Hurley: “How many did you leave behind?”

Just a thought: way back during season 1, it was mentioned that John Locke would be the equivalent character of a Stephen King character in the Stand and that the Stand was largely the plot basis for LOST. Locke’s character was definetly mentioned as being an evil one who had the power to gather new members … can somebody help with this?

]]> By: Julie http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-2/#comment-33244 Julie Sat, 02 Feb 2008 19:59:17 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33244 The lawyer who showed up at the mental institution (the one who made Hurley freak out), well according to the show's cast list, his last name is ABADDON. ABADDON is a Hebrew word that means destruction. It is also the name of a demon who is one of the seven rulers of hell, who is called ABADDON the destroyer. He is sometimes called The Prince of Locusts. What do you guys think about this? The lawyer who showed up at the mental institution (the one who made Hurley freak out), well according to the show’s cast list, his last name is ABADDON. ABADDON is a Hebrew word that means destruction. It is also the name of a demon who is one of the seven rulers of hell, who is called ABADDON the destroyer. He is sometimes called The Prince of Locusts. What do you guys think about this?

]]> By: VancouverISlost http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-1/#comment-33242 VancouverISlost Sat, 02 Feb 2008 18:16:14 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33242 I'm really iffy about this new Season. A few points: (1) Could part of the LOST six be Micheal and Walt - they left the Island. We know Harold Perrineau is coming back (annouced at comiccon). He's listed in IMDB in Confirmed Dead and The Economist. My vote for the sixth person is Juliet since she wanted to see her sister so bad. (2) I don't think it's unusual to have people not die on the Island - the Island has healing powers as seen in several episodes. (3) Where is the "monster" - the odd smoky thing? We haven't seen it for a very long time. It seems they have dropped this thing from sight. No one seems to be afraid of it anymore. (4) If the Darhma Initative was so huge and they set-up the Island, what prevented them from finding the Island again when all the Darhma people were killed? Love the blog!! Wish you guys would do the podcast again!! I’m really iffy about this new Season.
A few points:

(1) Could part of the LOST six be Micheal and Walt – they left the Island. We know Harold Perrineau is coming back (annouced at comiccon). He’s listed in IMDB in Confirmed Dead and The Economist. My vote for the sixth person is Juliet since she wanted to see her sister so bad.

(2) I don’t think it’s unusual to have people not die on the Island – the Island has healing powers as seen in several episodes.

(3) Where is the “monster” – the odd smoky thing? We haven’t seen it for a very long time. It seems they have dropped this thing from sight. No one seems to be afraid of it anymore.

(4) If the Darhma Initative was so huge and they set-up the Island, what prevented them from finding the Island again when all the Darhma people were killed?

Love the blog!! Wish you guys would do the podcast again!!

]]> By: HeyBrah http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-1/#comment-33241 HeyBrah Sat, 02 Feb 2008 17:29:22 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33241 LOST is a state of mind. Our so-called "Oceanic 6" is this season's new LOSTIES. Sure, they were rescued but they are LOST again. I think that the next season will be a return to the Island by all of the original cast (except for Charlie)--i.e., unless, the actor wants to get back in. It's not impossible to write a script to explain how Charlie wasn't really dead. Return to Gilligan's Island anyone? LOST is a state of mind. Our so-called “Oceanic 6″ is this season’s new LOSTIES.

Sure, they were rescued but they are LOST again.

I think that the next season will be a return to the Island by all of the original cast (except for Charlie)–i.e., unless, the actor wants to get back in. It’s not impossible to write a script to explain how Charlie wasn’t really dead.

Return to Gilligan’s Island anyone?

]]> By: Connie in Alaska http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-1/#comment-33236 Connie in Alaska Sat, 02 Feb 2008 08:23:35 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33236 Re Charlie's appearance to Hurley: Could it be possible to be "dead" in one timeline and "alive" in another? Charlie died in Island time, but could he still be alive in another time and able to communicate across timelines? Thus you could be dead and yet "still here". I also thought the guy who alerted Hurley to Charlie looked kinda sketchy...like he was trying to hide his identity. I think Kate's "him" could also be her cop-husband. Maybe upon returning she was able to reconcile with him. I think the coffin holds Michael. Re Charlie’s appearance to Hurley:

Could it be possible to be “dead” in one timeline and “alive” in another? Charlie died in Island time, but could he still be alive in another time and able to communicate across timelines? Thus you could be dead and yet “still here”. I also thought the guy who alerted Hurley to Charlie looked kinda sketchy…like he was trying to hide his identity.

I think Kate’s “him” could also be her cop-husband. Maybe upon returning she was able to reconcile with him.

I think the coffin holds Michael.

]]> By: Scott http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-1/#comment-33222 Scott Sat, 02 Feb 2008 04:45:11 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33222 I was a fan of his episode. Of course it's been so long since we've had a new one that I would have taken one where we just watch Locke shave his head. Hurley had to say he didn't know Ana Lucia. I guess we are supposed to believe that the "Oceanic 6" swore to someone that they wouldn't mention any other survivors. Once last note...Hallucination Charlie was sporting a very hip wardrobe and haircut. I was a fan of his episode. Of course it’s been so long since we’ve had a new one that I would have taken one where we just watch Locke shave his head. Hurley had to say he didn’t know Ana Lucia. I guess we are supposed to believe that the “Oceanic 6″ swore to someone that they wouldn’t mention any other survivors.

Once last note…Hallucination Charlie was sporting a very hip wardrobe and haircut.

]]> By: DaRealDeal http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-1/#comment-33221 DaRealDeal Sat, 02 Feb 2008 04:19:59 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33221 Ok I’ve been thinking and I have a theory that Naomi and the freighter are part of the dharma initiative. It seems strange to me that no one ever came to the island after Ben killed everyone from Dharma. I mean it is possible that Ben somehow stayed in contact with the Dharma from the outside world, but wouldn’t they get suspicious if they never heard from anybody else? So if Ben kills everyone and takes the submarine, then Dharma would have no way of getting to the island right? Supposedly the submarine is the only way on or off the island. It is also possible that Charles Widmore is in control of Dharma. Based on that, after Desmond blows the hatch and the guys in the snow get a location based on the magnetic pulse or whatever, this gives Dharma somewhere to look, so they send out a freighter full of helicopters and search members to find and take back the island from the hostiles. That is why Ben knows that everyone will die if they call the freighter. Because he is the only one alive who knows why there is no one from Dharma left on the island and Dharma is obviously not happy. If this is true then other theories mentioned could also be true, Henry Gale was sent out to find the island by Widmore and Dharma, the sailing race was to try and find the island. There is also the matter of the food drops, but it seems that the food drops stopped after they stopped pushing the button. As long as the button was being pushed Dharma from the outside world knew that someone was still alive and in control. But if the button stops then something is wrong. Maybe the self destruct key was in case of a hostile attack to prevent the hostiles from being in control. This theory seems very likely to me, It also doesn’t make sense that the writers would introduce a new group of people that were simply looking for the island and were in no way related to anything previously. Possible reasons these theories are not true. are obviously the food drops, if Dharma knows where to drop the food then why can’t they just go the island. They knew how to get to the island with the submarine, couldn’t they just get another submarine and if they found it in the first place, wouldn’t they have the coordinates on file somewhere. But like I said, maybe because the button was being pushed they had no reason to believe anything was wrong. Let me know what you think. Ok I’ve been thinking and I have a theory that Naomi and the freighter are part of the dharma initiative.

It seems strange to me that no one ever came to the island after Ben killed everyone from Dharma. I mean it is possible that Ben somehow stayed in contact with the Dharma from the outside world, but wouldn’t they get suspicious if they never heard from anybody else? So if Ben kills everyone and takes the submarine, then Dharma would have no way of getting to the island right? Supposedly the submarine is the only way on or off the island.

It is also possible that Charles Widmore is in control of Dharma. Based on that, after Desmond blows the hatch and the guys in the snow get a location based on the magnetic pulse or whatever, this gives Dharma somewhere to look, so they send out a freighter full of helicopters and search members to find and take back the island from the hostiles. That is why Ben knows that everyone will die if they call the freighter. Because he is the only one alive who knows why there is no one from Dharma left on the island and Dharma is obviously not happy.

If this is true then other theories mentioned could also be true, Henry Gale was sent out to find the island by Widmore and Dharma, the sailing race was to try and find the island. There is also the matter of the food drops, but it seems that the food drops stopped after they stopped pushing the button. As long as the button was being pushed Dharma from the outside world knew that someone was still alive and in control. But if the button stops then something is wrong. Maybe the self destruct key was in case of a hostile attack to prevent the hostiles from being in control.

This theory seems very likely to me, It also doesn’t make sense that the writers would introduce a new group of people that were simply looking for the island and were in no way related to anything previously.

Possible reasons these theories are not true. are obviously the food drops, if Dharma knows where to drop the food then why can’t they just go the island. They knew how to get to the island with the submarine, couldn’t they just get another submarine and if they found it in the first place, wouldn’t they have the coordinates on file somewhere. But like I said, maybe because the button was being pushed they had no reason to believe anything was wrong. Let me know what you think.

]]> By: Bryan http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-1/#comment-33220 Bryan Sat, 02 Feb 2008 04:17:55 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33220 Potential spoilers here: Interesting reading people's reviews of the show. After my early post, I figured I'd get skewered by Lost fans for being too critical of the show. I'm surprised to see that people also thought it was a bit meh. My biggest gripe is with the flat dialogue. I've grow to love this show because their dialogue isn't predictable and trite. Last night I thought it was. It seemed more like Heroes dialogue than Lost dialogue. Anyway. It's clear after the finale last year (Jack's 'I'm tired of lying comment) and last nights comments by Hurley about not revealing something that they are definitely hiding something. My feeling is that this rescue ship arc is way before what will ultimately cause all but 6 to survive the island. Also if anyone didn't see the viral billboard campaign that was launched before the season started, there were "Who are the Oceanic 6?" billboards placed in several cities which were soon 'vandalized' with the words "find815.com" written on them. http://the-odi.blogspot.com/2008/01/new-billboard-for-season-4-of-lost.html Might take a look if you haven't checked that site out. Also hansoair.org is another one with some useful information including this passage: "July 25, 2006 - Today the Hanso Foundation formally and publically announces the acquisition of Oceanic Airlines which will now be known as HansoAir. With Oceanic Airlines filing for bankruptcy during the holiday season of 2005 following the bizarre disappearances of several Pacific Ocean flights in 2004 the company welcomed the friendly takeover from its former partner, the Hanso Foundation. " "Several". Interesting. Potential spoilers here:

Interesting reading people’s reviews of the show. After my early post, I figured I’d get skewered by Lost fans for being too critical of the show. I’m surprised to see that people also thought it was a bit meh. My biggest gripe is with the flat dialogue. I’ve grow to love this show because their dialogue isn’t predictable and trite. Last night I thought it was. It seemed more like Heroes dialogue than Lost dialogue.

Anyway. It’s clear after the finale last year (Jack’s ‘I’m tired of lying comment) and last nights comments by Hurley about not revealing something that they are definitely hiding something.

My feeling is that this rescue ship arc is way before what will ultimately cause all but 6 to survive the island.

Also if anyone didn’t see the viral billboard campaign that was launched before the season started, there were “Who are the Oceanic 6?” billboards placed in several cities which were soon ‘vandalized’ with the words “find815.com” written on them.

http://the-odi.blogspot.com/2008/01/new-billboard-for-season-4-of-lost.html

Might take a look if you haven’t checked that site out. Also hansoair.org is another one with some useful information including this passage:

“July 25, 2006 – Today the Hanso Foundation formally and publically announces the acquisition of Oceanic Airlines which will now be known as HansoAir. With Oceanic Airlines filing for bankruptcy during the holiday season of 2005 following the bizarre disappearances of several Pacific Ocean flights in 2004 the company welcomed the friendly takeover from its former partner, the Hanso Foundation. ”

“Several”. Interesting.

]]> By: brncoswthrt http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-1/#comment-33219 brncoswthrt Sat, 02 Feb 2008 03:26:35 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33219 We were debriefing on the episode tonight and debating "who's in the coffin?" The reaction by Kate and Jack to the obit announcement was shock, fear, relief...and there was no one at the funeral. Any thoughts on it being Ben? He's a shorter guy, no family, certainly without friends (all islanders) and would definitely elicit that type of reaction from Jack. Maybe the tumor came back, no other means on the island to survive, etc. to drive his motivation to be off the island. My two hesitations are that I think Jack would have wanted the coffin opened when it was offered AND if he were one of the "Oceanic 6," the notoriety would have brought more people to the funeral. Thoughts? With the good and bad of the episode, were are soooooooooo glad it's back! We were debriefing on the episode tonight and debating “who’s in the coffin?” The reaction by Kate and Jack to the obit announcement was shock, fear, relief…and there was no one at the funeral. Any thoughts on it being Ben? He’s a shorter guy, no family, certainly without friends (all islanders) and would definitely elicit that type of reaction from Jack. Maybe the tumor came back, no other means on the island to survive, etc. to drive his motivation to be off the island. My two hesitations are that I think Jack would have wanted the coffin opened when it was offered AND if he were one of the “Oceanic 6,” the notoriety would have brought more people to the funeral. Thoughts?

With the good and bad of the episode, were are soooooooooo glad it’s back!

]]> By: Blondie http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-1/#comment-33218 Blondie Sat, 02 Feb 2008 03:25:24 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33218 I agree with you and Jen that this Lost was a bit "meh." And I think it speaks VOLUMES that you were able to sit through the Eli show BEFORE you discussed Lost. After seeing so many commercials for that show, I had to instantly turn off the TV after Lost. I felt like I was not getting anything new. I think the parachute guy should have showed up 5 minutes in. That would have been a major payoff. Like you said, the other season openers had good starts. I loved it how we got right down in the hatch instantly in Season 2. Huge payoff. For the wait we've had, this didn't add up. Sure, there are questions and things to ponder, but I felt really sad. I looooove Lost and I felt disappointed. BUT I also hated the tail story and the random cages/beating stuff and those eventually went away and Lost kicked my a$$, so hopefully, that will happen again!! I agree with you and Jen that this Lost was a bit “meh.” And I think it speaks VOLUMES that you were able to sit through the Eli show BEFORE you discussed Lost. After seeing so many commercials for that show, I had to instantly turn off the TV after Lost.

I felt like I was not getting anything new. I think the parachute guy should have showed up 5 minutes in. That would have been a major payoff. Like you said, the other season openers had good starts. I loved it how we got right down in the hatch instantly in Season 2. Huge payoff. For the wait we’ve had, this didn’t add up. Sure, there are questions and things to ponder, but I felt really sad. I looooove Lost and I felt disappointed. BUT I also hated the tail story and the random cages/beating stuff and those eventually went away and Lost kicked my a$$, so hopefully, that will happen again!!

]]> By: Tulsi http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-1/#comment-33216 Tulsi Sat, 02 Feb 2008 00:50:45 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33216 Couple of people mentioned Sawyer's uncharacteristic behavior about asking Hurley about his feelings. But I feel like a bit of change in him started from last season's finale when he insulted Hurley so he wouldn't go back to check up on Sayid and the others that were left on the beach to ambush the others. He was trying to protect him there, so this character change isn't too new. I think him realizing that Kate will always love Jack and then him killing the original Sawyer has brought some change in him. Couple of people mentioned Sawyer’s uncharacteristic behavior about asking Hurley about his feelings. But I feel like a bit of change in him started from last season’s finale when he insulted Hurley so he wouldn’t go back to check up on Sayid and the others that were left on the beach to ambush the others. He was trying to protect him there, so this character change isn’t too new. I think him realizing that Kate will always love Jack and then him killing the original Sawyer has brought some change in him.

]]> By: amc http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-1/#comment-33215 amc Sat, 02 Feb 2008 00:28:22 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33215 Did anyone go to www.flyoceanicair.com? It was displayed at the bottom of the Oceanic Airline "commercial" that aired during Eli Stone. I downloaded the Press Release from the site and thought it was weird that the 9 cities Oceanic has resumed flights to are also cities some of the characters are from... Los Angeles, CA (Jack, Hurley, just to name a few) Tustin, CA (John Locke) Ames, IA (Kate is from Iowa) Miami, FL (Juliet) New York, NY (Michael) Portland, OR (Ben) Seoul, South Korea (Sun & Jin) Sydney, Australia (Claire) Got this from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Characters_of_Lost#Main_characters. Also listed is Knoxville, TN but I didn't see any characters that were from there. I then thought in order for the survivors to use their "golden passes", Oceanic Airlines would have to be operating in their city (or else they would be useless), so could this be a clue as to who our survivors are? I know there are 9 cities and only 6 survivors but still, I think this is strange. Thoughts anyone? Did anyone go to http://www.flyoceanicair.com? It was displayed at the bottom of the Oceanic Airline “commercial” that aired during Eli Stone. I downloaded the Press Release from the site and thought it was weird that the 9 cities Oceanic has resumed flights to are also cities some of the characters are from…

Los Angeles, CA (Jack, Hurley, just to name a few)
Tustin, CA (John Locke)
Ames, IA (Kate is from Iowa)
Miami, FL (Juliet)
New York, NY (Michael)
Portland, OR (Ben)
Seoul, South Korea (Sun & Jin)
Sydney, Australia (Claire)

Got this from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Characters_of_Lost#Main_characters. Also listed is Knoxville, TN but I didn’t see any characters that were from there. I then thought in order for the survivors to use their “golden passes”, Oceanic Airlines would have to be operating in their city (or else they would be useless), so could this be a clue as to who our survivors are? I know there are 9 cities and only 6 survivors but still, I think this is strange. Thoughts anyone?

]]> By: Scout http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-1/#comment-33214 Scout Sat, 02 Feb 2008 00:05:22 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33214 Did anyone else catch that Jack's exwife was quite pregnant when she met him at the hospital (end of last season's ep and reminded again in last night's recap)? Could be nothing at all except a "kick Jack while he's down" moment, but I thought it was interesting since pregnancy is a major topic of concern to our friends on the island. Did anyone else catch that Jack’s exwife was quite pregnant when she met him at the hospital (end of last season’s ep and reminded again in last night’s recap)? Could be nothing at all except a “kick Jack while he’s down” moment, but I thought it was interesting since pregnancy is a major topic of concern to our friends on the island.

]]> By: Travis http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-1/#comment-33213 Travis Fri, 01 Feb 2008 23:18:15 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33213 I haven't read all the comments, so someone may have brought this up already, but did anyone else notice the "whispering" when the survivors walked up on the beach group in the jungle? Hasn't the whispers been reserved for the others until now? I haven’t read all the comments, so someone may have brought this up already, but did anyone else notice the “whispering” when the survivors walked up on the beach group in the jungle? Hasn’t the whispers been reserved for the others until now?

]]> By: DaRealDeal http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-1/#comment-33212 DaRealDeal Fri, 01 Feb 2008 22:51:07 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33212 To respond to what AM and others have said as to why Hurley denied knowing Anna Lucia, In the future someone (could it be Oceanic or someone who owns it) has DEFINITELY made it clear to the "SIX" that they CANNOT discuss there being any OTHER survivors on that island, this is why Hurley denied knowing her. It is also why Jack stated, "he is tired of lying" So the puzzle becomes who is the person that is behind the cover up? To respond to what AM and others have said as to why Hurley denied knowing Anna Lucia, In the future someone (could it be Oceanic or someone who owns it) has DEFINITELY made it clear to the “SIX” that they CANNOT discuss there being any OTHER survivors on that island, this is why Hurley denied knowing her. It is also why Jack stated, “he is tired of lying”

So the puzzle becomes who is the person that is behind the cover up?

]]> By: bill http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-1/#comment-33211 bill Fri, 01 Feb 2008 22:10:52 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33211 Is it me or did Hurley not miss a single shot when playng B-Ball. Has he gone from having bad luck to good luck. Is it me or did Hurley not miss a single shot when playng B-Ball. Has he gone from having bad luck to good luck.

]]> By: DancingPencil http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-1/#comment-33209 DancingPencil Fri, 01 Feb 2008 20:10:27 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33209 The discomfort between Hurley and Jack when they meet on the basketball court, and Hurley's need to apologize for going with Locke made me wonder about what happens (happened?) so that Hurley somehow changes his mind and ends up getting off the island as part of the Oceanic six. Obviously more conflict is coming in future episodes, but it made me wonder if Kate and the others in Jack's group would also be angry at Hurley for whatever he does. Is it possible that Kate is so angry she wouldn't even go to Hurley's funeral? I suppose it's an odd assumption, especially when everyone talks about how small the coffin was that Jack visited, but I thought the change in the way that Hurley was portrayed was important. He's a pretty miserable creature now that he's off the island, and the Oceanic six seem like a pretty tortured bunch. It wouldn't be a popular plot twist, but it certainly would motivate Jack to go back if 'happy-go-lucky' Hurley were the one in the funeral home.... The discomfort between Hurley and Jack when they meet on the basketball court, and Hurley’s need to apologize for going with Locke made me wonder about what happens (happened?) so that Hurley somehow changes his mind and ends up getting off the island as part of the Oceanic six.

Obviously more conflict is coming in future episodes, but it made me wonder if Kate and the others in Jack’s group would also be angry at Hurley for whatever he does. Is it possible that Kate is so angry she wouldn’t even go to Hurley’s funeral?

I suppose it’s an odd assumption, especially when everyone talks about how small the coffin was that Jack visited, but I thought the change in the way that Hurley was portrayed was important. He’s a pretty miserable creature now that he’s off the island, and the Oceanic six seem like a pretty tortured bunch.

It wouldn’t be a popular plot twist, but it certainly would motivate Jack to go back if ‘happy-go-lucky’ Hurley were the one in the funeral home….

]]> By: first february | Honolulu's Nightlife Diaries http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-1/#comment-33206 first february | Honolulu's Nightlife Diaries Fri, 01 Feb 2008 19:43:05 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33206 [...] those the survivors? i wonder who they all are… we know three of em. eh. check ryan’s podcast for the best recaps [...] [...] those the survivors? i wonder who they all are… we know three of em. eh. check ryan’s podcast for the best recaps [...]

]]> By: NuckinFuts http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-1/#comment-33205 NuckinFuts Fri, 01 Feb 2008 19:10:00 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33205 I agree...the commercial interruptions really drain a person....as well as a year break in the story....and I agree that we didn't get too much more about the story than we had before.....which sort of stinks after brushing up and taking it upon myself to get a few friends into the story. I thought we were promised "answers" to the big questions....not a whole new set of questions....but I can see that some of these new questions undoubtedly relate to some of the old ones. This prior sentence would only make any since to a LOST fan. As for this, I really don't know yet whether to complain, or to jump for joy so I guess I'll do neither. At least I have something to complain or jump for joy about again, I guess. Observations : - When I watch an episode "through the eyes of Hurley" I don't know who is REAL / IMAGINARY / DEAD / ISLAND APPARITION / DHARMA CONSPIRACY ( lawyer? ) / or "other" ( no pun intended ). That kind of made this frustrating. So I guess I'll wait and see what some of the other characters see in the future. - Jack seemed relatively happy here, so what makes him get to the point where he "has to go back". Does this mean he starts seeing things or people too? - Who is Charlie trying to get Hurley to help? Claire / Aaron? Everyone? - So why not say you knew Ana Lucia? Liked the partner tie-in. - I too, have missed this site! Thanks for letting me vent! I agree…the commercial interruptions really drain a person….as well as a year break in the story….and I agree that we didn’t get too much more about the story than we had before…..which sort of stinks after brushing up and taking it upon myself to get a few friends into the story.

I thought we were promised “answers” to the big questions….not a whole new set of questions….but I can see that some of these new questions undoubtedly relate to some of the old ones. This prior sentence would only make any since to a LOST fan. As for this, I really don’t know yet whether to complain, or to jump for joy so I guess I’ll do neither. At least I have something to complain or jump for joy about again, I guess.

Observations :

- When I watch an episode “through the eyes of Hurley” I don’t know who is REAL / IMAGINARY / DEAD / ISLAND APPARITION / DHARMA CONSPIRACY ( lawyer? ) / or “other” ( no pun intended ). That kind of made this frustrating. So I guess I’ll wait and see what some of the other characters see in the future.

- Jack seemed relatively happy here, so what makes him get to the point where he “has to go back”. Does this mean he starts seeing things or people too?

- Who is Charlie trying to get Hurley to help? Claire / Aaron? Everyone?

- So why not say you knew Ana Lucia? Liked the partner tie-in.

- I too, have missed this site! Thanks for letting me vent!

]]> By: AM http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-1/#comment-33203 AM Fri, 01 Feb 2008 18:13:53 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33203 My theory about why Hurley said he didn't know Ana Lucia is because Michael is the one who killed her. It's probably not worth getting murder charges against Michael (and there would surely be for killing a cop) and leaving Walt without a family. My theory about why Hurley said he didn’t know Ana Lucia is because Michael is the one who killed her. It’s probably not worth getting murder charges against Michael (and there would surely be for killing a cop) and leaving Walt without a family.

]]> By: bill http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-1/#comment-33193 bill Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:57:14 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33193 I am not sure how it can be concluded that Christian is Jacob. Wouldn't that cause continuity issues? Do we know how long Ben has been talking to jacob? Not sure how christian can be doctoring in the states during the day and giving ben instructions at night. I am not sure how it can be concluded that Christian is Jacob. Wouldn’t that cause continuity issues? Do we know how long Ben has been talking to jacob? Not sure how christian can be doctoring in the states during the day and giving ben instructions at night.

]]> By: vinny2cubes http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-1/#comment-33192 vinny2cubes Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:38:22 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33192 Okay, I have mixed feelings about this ep. Not enough new material is my biggest complaint. I felt like we were going around in circles again, not advancing the story line. I'm a bit tired of Helicopters that drop parachutists... why don't they just land the Helicopter? Isn't that why you have a Helicopter? Then you could "rescue" people. Guess they need the dramatic entrance. I had hoped for more, but it seemed a bit disjointed. Forward and backward, it's hard to find a lot of new clues. Like the poster above said, it did seem like a 90 minute trailer for another episode. Okay, I have mixed feelings about this ep. Not enough new material is my biggest complaint. I felt like we were going around in circles again, not advancing the story line. I’m a bit tired of Helicopters that drop parachutists… why don’t they just land the Helicopter? Isn’t that why you have a Helicopter? Then you could “rescue” people. Guess they need the dramatic entrance.

I had hoped for more, but it seemed a bit disjointed. Forward and backward, it’s hard to find a lot of new clues. Like the poster above said, it did seem like a 90 minute trailer for another episode.

]]> By: Jason http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-1/#comment-33191 Jason Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:26:49 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33191 I was just struck with this thought: Given the potential time-travel aspects of the show and the back-and-forth, what if one of the coffins Jack found at the beginning of the series (Adam/Eve) is the same coffin that we see now at the funeral home? I wonder if it could have been projected back to the island somehow, but at a different time? Sort of like being stuck in a time loop. I was just struck with this thought: Given the potential time-travel aspects of the show and the back-and-forth, what if one of the coffins Jack found at the beginning of the series (Adam/Eve) is the same coffin that we see now at the funeral home? I wonder if it could have been projected back to the island somehow, but at a different time? Sort of like being stuck in a time loop.

]]> By: paintergirl http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-1/#comment-33190 paintergirl Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:15:26 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33190 I don't think that Kate was necessarily waiting for Sawyer. I think it would be nice, but it wouldn't be necessary. It could be that part of her new life included someone who was not part of flight. So, DaRealDeal may be right. Our six might be Jack, Kate, Hurley, Ben, Claire, and Aaron. Another thought, the person in the coffin could be Michael. Because of how he left the island, he would not have been considered one of the "Oceanic Six." In that case, Sawyer could have been one of the six instead of Ben. I think that what was put into the recap hour before the new episode was significant. Did anyone else notice that the rather insignificant scene between Hurley and Sayid where the old music plays on the radio was chosen? Is that a clue about how things really work on this island? I'm not putting out any theories. I just thought it was food for thought. Any theories? I don’t think that Kate was necessarily waiting for Sawyer. I think it would be nice, but it wouldn’t be necessary. It could be that part of her new life included someone who was not part of flight. So, DaRealDeal may be right. Our six might be Jack, Kate, Hurley, Ben, Claire, and Aaron.

Another thought, the person in the coffin could be Michael. Because of how he left the island, he would not have been considered one of the “Oceanic Six.” In that case, Sawyer could have been one of the six instead of Ben.

I think that what was put into the recap hour before the new episode was significant. Did anyone
else notice that the rather insignificant scene between Hurley and Sayid where the old music plays on the radio was chosen? Is that a clue about how things really work on this island? I’m not putting out any theories. I just thought it was food for thought. Any theories?

]]> By: Eric http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-1/#comment-33189 Eric Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:11:02 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33189 I'll tell you what burns me about this episode, ABC is really starting to get on my nerves with their ridiculous trailers that purported to show moments from the premiere that we, surprise, never got. This isn't the LOST team's fault, it's ABC's. But the fact that we had to wait till the very end of the entire episode just to see one of the guys from the freighter finally arrive -- and nothing more -- was a slap in the face to fans IMO, and that is LOST team's fault! That we didn't learn even a trivial amount more about who the freighter guys are burned me up -- and not in a good way Damon and Carleton! I'm happy to be strung along when you deliver an overall gut punch. But this was basically a one hour trailer for a premiere that never happened. The ABC trailers for this episode showed the parachute guy plainly saying rescuing survivors isn't exactly job #1. But we didn't even get to see that tonight. And for all we know, we ain't ever gonna see it. That would be like George Lucas showing a trailer for Star Wars: ANH that included a few key clips from Empire! Not fair guys! And not at all appreciated by this fan. I’ll tell you what burns me about this episode, ABC is really starting to get on my nerves with their ridiculous trailers that purported to show moments from the premiere that we, surprise, never got. This isn’t the LOST team’s fault, it’s ABC’s.

But the fact that we had to wait till the very end of the entire episode just to see one of the guys from the freighter finally arrive — and nothing more — was a slap in the face to fans IMO, and that is LOST team’s fault! That we didn’t learn even a trivial amount more about who the freighter guys are burned me up — and not in a good way Damon and Carleton!

I’m happy to be strung along when you deliver an overall gut punch. But this was basically a one hour trailer for a premiere that never happened. The ABC trailers for this episode showed the parachute guy plainly saying rescuing survivors isn’t exactly job #1. But we didn’t even get to see that tonight. And for all we know, we ain’t ever gonna see it. That would be like George Lucas showing a trailer for Star Wars: ANH that included a few key clips from Empire! Not fair guys! And not at all appreciated by this fan.

]]> By: Briand http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-1/#comment-33187 Briand Fri, 01 Feb 2008 16:43:01 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33187 A mediocre episode of Lost is still better than anything else! It occured to me that the rescuers are probable the same people that occupied the Hatch (remember, they called the others the "hostiles")...and have kept replenishing it from the air (they have a penchant for parachute drops). I bet they are the original Dharma initiative people, and that the Others have always been a break away group... I guess we'll find out eventually why Hurley, who went with Locke, got to get off the island anyway, and why going with Locke is a mistake. Did anyone else see Juliette in the psychiatric ward for a brief instant? A mediocre episode of Lost is still better than anything else! It occured to me that the rescuers are probable the same people that occupied the Hatch (remember, they called the others the “hostiles”)…and have kept replenishing it from the air (they have a penchant for parachute drops). I bet they are the original Dharma initiative people, and that the Others have always been a break away group…

I guess we’ll find out eventually why Hurley, who went with Locke, got to get off the island anyway, and why going with Locke is a mistake.

Did anyone else see Juliette in the psychiatric ward for a brief instant?

]]> By: DaRealDeal http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-1/#comment-33186 DaRealDeal Fri, 01 Feb 2008 16:41:34 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33186 Here are my thoughts about the "Oceanic Six" I think the person who passed away was Ben, because it was someone who they couldnt stand and I assume Sawyer is one, because Kate says "he will wonder where I am" at the end of last season. But one would think that Claire and the baby had to get off the island, cause thats what Desmonds vision was-otherwise, why would Charlie have to die? Here are my thoughts about the “Oceanic Six” I think the person who passed away was Ben, because it was someone who they couldnt stand and I assume Sawyer is one, because Kate says “he will wonder where I am” at the end of last season. But one would think that Claire and the baby had to get off the island, cause thats what Desmonds vision was-otherwise, why would Charlie have to die?

]]> By: DAW http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-1/#comment-33185 DAW Fri, 01 Feb 2008 16:37:10 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33185 I missed one point until talking with some friends about the show....I wondered -- at the end of Season 3 -- why was Jack telling Kate they should never have left but then denying Hurly last night? Thankfully, I was corrected on what I thought was an inconsistency. The flash forwards last night were actually before the flash forwards last season's finale. The key point there was Jack talking about maybe growing a beard. Anyway, thought it worth pointing out since my question now becomes how long will it take us to get to the point where he meets up with Kate? I missed one point until talking with some friends about the show….I wondered — at the end of Season 3 — why was Jack telling Kate they should never have left but then denying Hurly last night? Thankfully, I was corrected on what I thought was an inconsistency. The flash forwards last night were actually before the flash forwards last season’s finale. The key point there was Jack talking about maybe growing a beard.

Anyway, thought it worth pointing out since my question now becomes how long will it take us to get to the point where he meets up with Kate?

]]> By: Ryan http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-1/#comment-33182 Ryan Fri, 01 Feb 2008 15:35:06 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33182 Ah, Josh, of course! An imaginary friend, a la Dave! I woke up this morning thinking about how Charlie was visible to another patient (and added the question above), but that would explain it! JudiF, we only got another fleeting glance of the shape in the chair, but the profile did look even more like Christian Shepherd. Of course, given the 13th mobisode, "So It Begins," it's hard not to feel even more strongly that he and Jacob are one and the same. Troy + Katie, you're right, I'm not sure how Kate would've re-entered society with those crimes under her belt. When she met with Jack by the airport (some time after last night's flash forward), she may have indeed no longer been Kate, or even an "Oceanic Six" celebrity. If that's the case, there may be a seventh escapee. Either way, I'm not sure if the person in the coffin was an "Oceanic Six" survivor. Ah, Josh, of course! An imaginary friend, a la Dave! I woke up this morning thinking about how Charlie was visible to another patient (and added the question above), but that would explain it!

JudiF, we only got another fleeting glance of the shape in the chair, but the profile did look even more like Christian Shepherd. Of course, given the 13th mobisode, “So It Begins,” it’s hard not to feel even more strongly that he and Jacob are one and the same.

Troy + Katie, you’re right, I’m not sure how Kate would’ve re-entered society with those crimes under her belt. When she met with Jack by the airport (some time after last night’s flash forward), she may have indeed no longer been Kate, or even an “Oceanic Six” celebrity. If that’s the case, there may be a seventh escapee.

Either way, I’m not sure if the person in the coffin was an “Oceanic Six” survivor.

]]> By: Kira http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-1/#comment-33181 Kira Fri, 01 Feb 2008 15:32:57 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33181 Entertainment Weekly's website just stated that it WAS Christian Shepard in jacob's chair.. When was that made clear? All I saw was an outline of a man.. Entertainment Weekly’s website just stated that it WAS Christian Shepard in jacob’s chair..
When was that made clear? All I saw was an outline of a man..

]]> By: JudiF http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-1/#comment-33180 JudiF Fri, 01 Feb 2008 15:13:25 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33180 Well I kind of compred the epi to going to see a movie that's based on a book you really loved, and then being disappointed because character's etc. aren't quite what you had imagined. After such a long break, re-watching episodes, mobisodes, whatever, I had come to expect "something more" , and at first was a little disappointed/let down. I had watched tonights episode with a friend that had never seen it before, and took some time to explain who was who, mysteries, flashbacks, flash forwards, etc. So after she left I went back a and rewatched it. Enjoying it more the second time around. I've heard talk that it was Christian Shephard (sp) that was in the rocking chair in Jacob's creepy cabin scene? I couldn't tell with my tv though, anyone else have a better idea? Is Ben going to be cranky when he finds out Hurley saw something in Jacob's cabin too? Can't wait for next week already to answer more questions and give me more to think about! Well I kind of compred the epi to going to see a movie that’s based on a book you really loved, and then being disappointed because character’s etc. aren’t quite what you had imagined. After such a long break, re-watching episodes, mobisodes, whatever, I had come to expect “something more” , and at first was a little disappointed/let down. I had watched tonights episode with a friend that had never seen it before, and took some time to explain who was who, mysteries, flashbacks, flash forwards, etc. So after she left I went back a and rewatched it. Enjoying it more the second time around.
I’ve heard talk that it was Christian Shephard (sp) that was in the rocking chair in Jacob’s creepy cabin scene? I couldn’t tell with my tv though, anyone else have a better idea? Is Ben going to be cranky when he finds out Hurley saw something in Jacob’s cabin too?
Can’t wait for next week already to answer more questions and give me more to think about!

]]> By: Kira http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-1/#comment-33179 Kira Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:22:44 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33179 Hi! Couldn't wait to check this site in the am! OK, did Jack ever give the "rescuer" his name? I don't think so, and the guy said "are you Jack?" He said "I'm a survivior of Oceanic 815, can you get lock on us". And, for rescue, it seems stupid to send another parachuter when you can just bring the boat closer and a small boat to pick people up (AND your previous parachuter said she was severely injured on her drop!). I'd be suspicious as hell, guns drawn people. Last season people pointed out the coffin was small and no one came, so who could that last, possibly 7th person be? The part about Jacob's cabin freaked me out big time. OK, Hurley heard and saw Jacob and the face that scared him was Locke and the cabin just kept appearing. Wtf?? Hi! Couldn’t wait to check this site in the am!
OK, did Jack ever give the “rescuer” his name? I don’t think so, and the guy said “are you Jack?” He said “I’m a survivior of Oceanic 815, can you get lock on us”. And, for rescue, it seems stupid to send another parachuter when you can just bring the boat closer and a small boat to pick people up (AND your previous parachuter said she was severely injured on her drop!). I’d be suspicious as hell, guns drawn people.

Last season people pointed out the coffin was small and no one came, so who could that last, possibly 7th person be?

The part about Jacob’s cabin freaked me out big time. OK, Hurley heard and saw Jacob and the face that scared him was Locke and the cabin just kept appearing. Wtf??

]]> By: Daryl http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-1/#comment-33178 Daryl Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:08:51 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33178 I LOVED this episode. I think the next few episodes will be even more amazing. This one served us well and set up this season perfectly. On the subject of Sawyer being "out of character" - I thought that too, but regardless of the way he sometimes treats Hurley, I think he has a soft spot for him. I think Sawyer honestly hurts for him. I LOVED this episode. I think the next few episodes will be even more amazing. This one served us well and set up this season perfectly.

On the subject of Sawyer being “out of character” – I thought that too, but regardless of the way he sometimes treats Hurley, I think he has a soft spot for him. I think Sawyer honestly hurts for him.

]]> By: Josh http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-1/#comment-33177 Josh Fri, 01 Feb 2008 13:28:04 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33177 I enjoyed the ep and all the questions it gave us. A lot of what I was thinking has been addressed above, so I'll just make one point. Hurley has a new imaginary friend, the guy who pointed out Charlie for him. Poor guy, a traumatic experience (the deck breaking) caused it the first time, so what cracked him this time? On another note, great to see Daniels from The Wire! My two favorite shows crossing paths. I enjoyed the ep and all the questions it gave us. A lot of what I was thinking has been addressed above, so I’ll just make one point. Hurley has a new imaginary friend, the guy who pointed out Charlie for him. Poor guy, a traumatic experience (the deck breaking) caused it the first time, so what cracked him this time?

On another note, great to see Daniels from The Wire! My two favorite shows crossing paths.

]]> By: G Force http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-1/#comment-33176 G Force Fri, 01 Feb 2008 12:51:08 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33176 The episode was a bit choppy. Some of the scenes seemed forced to me and the actors seemed out of sync. But I am sure that each of these scenes is probably filled with clues. At any rate I'm glad we're back! The episode was a bit choppy. Some of the scenes seemed forced to me and the actors seemed out of sync. But I am sure that each of these scenes is probably filled with clues.

At any rate I’m glad we’re back!

]]> By: Connie in Alaska http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-1/#comment-33174 Connie in Alaska Fri, 01 Feb 2008 10:03:44 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33174 OK...the reviews are mixed, and probably with good reason. Yes, it was good to get a Lost fix and get back to new episodes. I agree with Ryan that the length of the hiatus probably works against the show because it gives us more time to build up in our minds how we think Lost SHOULD be, and not take like it is. I would caution everyone not to rush to judgment too quickly, however. The writers, anticipating the strike, may have had to "tweak" these eight episodes to give us the info we need when we need it so it all makes sense in the end. Maybe it is not how they wanted to give us, but it the best they can do considering the circumstances. I thought it was an exciting episode. Lots of "what the heck" and "gimme more" moments. The transition from S3 to S4 seemed seamless to me. It's good to be Lost again! OK…the reviews are mixed, and probably with good reason. Yes, it was good to get a Lost fix and get back to new episodes. I agree with Ryan that the length of the hiatus probably works against the show because it gives us more time to build up in our minds how we think Lost SHOULD be, and not take like it is. I would caution everyone not to rush to judgment too quickly, however. The writers, anticipating the strike, may have had to “tweak” these eight episodes to give us the info we need when we need it so it all makes sense in the end. Maybe it is not how they wanted to give us, but it the best they can do considering the circumstances.

I thought it was an exciting episode. Lots of “what the heck” and “gimme more” moments. The transition from S3 to S4 seemed seamless to me. It’s good to be Lost again!

]]> By: Matt in Sacramento http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-1/#comment-33172 Matt in Sacramento Fri, 01 Feb 2008 07:48:20 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33172 OK, this episode did not WOW me. With three minutes left I was waiting for a jaw dropper and all I got was another parachuter. Eh? It felt like a "to be continued: Facts of Life episode and not the "OMG I just shat myself" feeling that the last 6 episodes of season 3 gave me. Honestly, this episode could have existed without the Hurley-centric-ness. The greatness of second-half season 3 wasn't just that the plot moved like a magnetic train, but that each episode was a complete story in itself. Tonight's was just a picking up where the finale left off. It had no identity. It wasn't 'The Brig' or 'Greatest Hits' it was just Season 3 finale Part III. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Lost with a passion, and probably why I'm being so critical, but for all the hype tonight left me wanting more. Well, I guess there's always next Thursday... OK, this episode did not WOW me. With three minutes left I was waiting for a jaw dropper and all I got was another parachuter. Eh? It felt like a “to be continued: Facts of Life episode and not the “OMG I just shat myself” feeling that the last 6 episodes of season 3 gave me. Honestly, this episode could have existed without the Hurley-centric-ness. The greatness of second-half season 3 wasn’t just that the plot moved like a magnetic train, but that each episode was a complete story in itself. Tonight’s was just a picking up where the finale left off. It had no identity. It wasn’t ‘The Brig’ or ‘Greatest Hits’ it was just Season 3 finale Part III. Don’t get me wrong, I LOVE Lost with a passion, and probably why I’m being so critical, but for all the hype tonight left me wanting more. Well, I guess there’s always next Thursday…

]]> By: jackb http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-1/#comment-33171 jackb Fri, 01 Feb 2008 05:57:21 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33171 loved the point where jack says he's thinking about growing a beard and we learn that this scene is a flash forward, but before the scene at the end of the finale of S3. Jack is going to spiral downward and we might be lucky to catch a view into that very spiral. Also love how this episode continues to maintain the us and them meme. Locke and Hurley's tribe, Jack's Tribe, the Others. Dayum I'm glad this is show is back! Honestly NOT as good as I expected, but a solid start to what I hope will be more than 8 episodes. loved the point where jack says he’s thinking about growing a beard and we learn that this scene is a flash forward, but before the scene at the end of the finale of S3. Jack is going to spiral downward and we might be lucky to catch a view into that very spiral. Also love how this episode continues to maintain the us and them meme. Locke and Hurley’s tribe, Jack’s Tribe, the Others. Dayum I’m glad this is show is back!

Honestly NOT as good as I expected, but a solid start to what I hope will be more than 8 episodes.

]]> By: Elaine http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-1/#comment-33170 Elaine Fri, 01 Feb 2008 05:30:43 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33170 SPOILER WARNING: I would really like to know what has the power to give Hurley those very vivid hallucinations. Even the other patients can see what he sees. Something followed them off of the Island, and the suicide at the end of last season was one of the 'six' who couldn't take it anymore. SPOILER WARNING:

I would really like to know what has the power to give Hurley those very vivid hallucinations. Even the other patients can see what he sees. Something followed them off of the Island, and the suicide at the end of last season was one of the ‘six’ who couldn’t take it anymore.

]]> By: Fernando http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-1/#comment-33169 Fernando Fri, 01 Feb 2008 05:12:38 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33169 I have mixed feelings. I was almost at the edge of my couch for most of the time; but after the episode ended, and I starded digesting it, I have to admit I sort of agree with Bryan, very little changed from what we knew back in May. Among those things that changed, I liked the theory about Kate posed above by Troy + Katie; the scene in which Hurley ends up by Jacob's cabin was really creepy and unexplainable; The (temporary)disappearance of Naomi was also quite creepy (and It made me think that Patchy will definetely be back at some point).... And I was just thinking that it would be kinda cool if the writers kill one of the "six"; but the actor would still get to appear in all the on-the-island scenes. We'd know they will die in 2007, but as long as it is still before then, they will be alive. Just a thought. I have mixed feelings. I was almost at the edge of my couch for most of the time; but after the episode ended, and I starded digesting it, I have to admit I sort of agree with Bryan, very little changed from what we knew back in May. Among those things that changed, I liked the theory about Kate posed above by Troy + Katie; the scene in which Hurley ends up by Jacob’s cabin was really creepy and unexplainable; The (temporary)disappearance of Naomi was also quite creepy (and It made me think that Patchy will definetely be back at some point)….
And I was just thinking that it would be kinda cool if the writers kill one of the “six”; but the actor would still get to appear in all the on-the-island scenes. We’d know they will die in 2007, but as long as it is still before then, they will be alive. Just a thought.

]]> By: Troy + Katie http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-1/#comment-33168 Troy + Katie Fri, 01 Feb 2008 04:28:05 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33168 Sorry. Too excited. I meant that someone's making the Oceanic Six deny anyone else being alive on the island with them at all after the crash and we're wondering who is making them do that and why? And I'm totally calling a series ending rescue mission to the island. Sorry. Too excited.

I meant that someone’s making the Oceanic Six deny anyone else being alive on the island with them at all after the crash and we’re wondering who is making them do that and why?

And I’m totally calling a series ending rescue mission to the island.

]]> By: Greg http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-1/#comment-33167 Greg Fri, 01 Feb 2008 04:20:46 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33167 SPOILER WARNING. I should have said the other THREE that make it off, counting Hurley, Jack AND Kate. SPOILER WARNING.
I should have said the other THREE that make it off, counting Hurley, Jack AND Kate.

]]> By: Troy + Katie http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-1/#comment-33166 Troy + Katie Fri, 01 Feb 2008 04:15:45 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33166 Okay, so it really seems like the ones who did make it off the island are being made to deny the fact that anyone other than the 'six' survived the crash at all. The whole interrogation scene really made it seem like the public story for Oceanic was that only 'six' people survived the crash at all, like Hurley and Jack and whoever had to den anyone else being alive on the island with them at all. But our big question is who is making them do that ad why? SO looking forward to a season six rescue mission to the island though. And we're totally thinking there are actually seven that make it back. It makes sense that whoever makes them agree to go mum on what happened on the island is very powerful and would be able to get an assumed identity for Kate, which, really, she would need going back. Awesome that she survived a crazy airplane crash, but I don't know if that would give her a Kill My Abusive Dad pass. So whoever gets them off and makes them agree to keep quiet about what happened on the island wouldn't take Kate public as one of the Oceanic Six and would likely claim she died in the crash. So that makes seven off the island. We think. Craziness. Awesome craziness. Okay, so it really seems like the ones who did make it off the island are being made to deny the fact that anyone other than the ‘six’ survived the crash at all. The whole interrogation scene really made it seem like the public story for Oceanic was that only ‘six’ people survived the crash at all, like Hurley and Jack and whoever had to den anyone else being alive on the island with them at all. But our big question is who is making them do that ad why? SO looking forward to a season six rescue mission to the island though.

And we’re totally thinking there are actually seven that make it back. It makes sense that whoever makes them agree to go mum on what happened on the island is very powerful and would be able to get an assumed identity for Kate, which, really, she would need going back. Awesome that she survived a crazy airplane crash, but I don’t know if that would give her a Kill My Abusive Dad pass. So whoever gets them off and makes them agree to keep quiet about what happened on the island wouldn’t take Kate public as one of the Oceanic Six and would likely claim she died in the crash.

So that makes seven off the island. We think.

Craziness.

Awesome craziness.

]]> By: Greg http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-1/#comment-33165 Greg Fri, 01 Feb 2008 04:14:49 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33165 SPOILER WARNING. I agree with Bryan. This episode was not very inspired. And I totally agree that we did not learn very much other than Hurley and 4 more they have not told us yet make it off the island. After the wow factor of the season 2 and 3 premiers, I guess I was expecting more tonight, especially with the extra long layoff, and the fact that the creators said they were going to be getting down to busniess in each episode now that they had a definate ending point by way of number of episodes left to produce. Of course I will keep watching, but tonight was a very disappointing return for this Lost fan. SPOILER WARNING. I agree with Bryan. This episode was not very inspired. And I totally agree that we did not learn very much other than Hurley and 4 more they have not told us yet make it off the island. After the wow factor of the season 2 and 3 premiers, I guess I was expecting more tonight, especially with the extra long layoff, and the fact that the creators said they were going to be getting down to busniess in each episode now that they had a definate ending point by way of number of episodes left to produce.

Of course I will keep watching, but tonight was a very disappointing return for this Lost fan.

]]> By: Amy http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-1/#comment-33164 Amy Fri, 01 Feb 2008 03:39:13 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33164 I do agree with you that he was creepy :). And we will definitely see him again. I'm very glad Charlie was still in the show. I can't wait for next week. I do agree with you that he was creepy :) .

And we will definitely see him again.

I’m very glad Charlie was still in the show.

I can’t wait for next week.

]]> By: Bryan http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-1/#comment-33163 Bryan Fri, 01 Feb 2008 03:35:04 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33163 @ Amy I mean the guy who claimed to be the lawyer. It doesn't matter if he was or wasn't, it was just creepy and great, and I think we will see him again. @ Amy

I mean the guy who claimed to be the lawyer. It doesn’t matter if he was or wasn’t, it was just creepy and great, and I think we will see him again.

]]> By: Amy http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-1/#comment-33162 Amy Fri, 01 Feb 2008 03:31:50 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33162 Actually, I don't think he was a lawyer from Oceanic at all. That's why Hurley freaked out. Actually, I don’t think he was a lawyer from Oceanic at all. That’s why Hurley freaked out.

]]> By: Amelia http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-1/#comment-33161 Amelia Fri, 01 Feb 2008 03:27:28 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33161 I'll ditto what Amy said...Wow!!!!! and that's really all I can say about the show. I’ll ditto what Amy said…Wow!!!!! and that’s really all I can say about the show.

]]> By: Daren From Delaware http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-1/#comment-33160 Daren From Delaware Fri, 01 Feb 2008 03:26:04 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33160 Just got finished with it, and it was everything i'd hoped and more. Their still going with the flash forwards, looks like the flashbacks might be a thing of the past? Picks up perfect from last season and the episode has a lot of info to mentally digest. Enjoy Everyone... can't wait to hear what you think! Just got finished with it, and it was everything i’d hoped and more.
Their still going with the flash forwards, looks like the flashbacks
might be a thing of the past? Picks up perfect from last season and
the episode has a lot of info to mentally digest.

Enjoy Everyone… can’t wait to hear what you think!

]]> By: Bryan http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-1/#comment-33159 Bryan Fri, 01 Feb 2008 03:25:33 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33159 OK, I think this episode was serious blah material. I hate to say it, but it really didn't do anything to advance the story. We pretty much are where we were at the end of S3. The thing I'm the most disappointed about is the writing. Did they go on strike before this episode was written and replace the usual writers? I've always loved how the dialogue in this show hasn't been obvious and contrived, but tonight's show seemed so plain and bland in the dialogue department. I think the show is great and there are going to be some really great ending possibilities, but overall I give this episode a C+. I did like the creepy lawyer guy from Oceanic though. Very creepy. Very good. OK, I think this episode was serious blah material. I hate to say it, but it really didn’t do anything to advance the story. We pretty much are where we were at the end of S3.

The thing I’m the most disappointed about is the writing. Did they go on strike before this episode was written and replace the usual writers? I’ve always loved how the dialogue in this show hasn’t been obvious and contrived, but tonight’s show seemed so plain and bland in the dialogue department.

I think the show is great and there are going to be some really great ending possibilities, but overall I give this episode a C+.

I did like the creepy lawyer guy from Oceanic though. Very creepy. Very good.

]]> By: Amy http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-1/#comment-33158 Amy Fri, 01 Feb 2008 03:10:29 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33158 Wow...is all I can say. I have even more questions than I did before. My husband and I spent the last three weeks watching the last three seasons, so that we would be completely refreshed for tonight. I'm glad we did, but to watch it tonight with commercials was anxiety producing. I don't want to write too much about what was in the show, because I'm not sure if any of you have seen the episode yet. Tonight proved, yet again, what an amazing show Lost is. We gave it FIVE stars. Wow…is all I can say. I have even more questions than I did before. My husband and I spent the last three weeks watching the last three seasons, so that we would be completely refreshed for tonight. I’m glad we did, but to watch it tonight with commercials was anxiety producing. I don’t want to write too much about what was in the show, because I’m not sure if any of you have seen the episode yet. Tonight proved, yet again, what an amazing show Lost is. We gave it FIVE stars.

]]> By: virusx http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/comment-page-1/#comment-33155 virusx Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:08:58 +0000 http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/01/31/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-33155 wow i cant wait for the ep to start back hear in the ul at sundae woooo and wow baby aron wat happened to claire? wow i cant wait for the ep to start back hear in the ul at sundae woooo and wow baby aron wat happened to claire?

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