1. The Four-Toed statue
2. Ben’s amazing strength when he fought Sawyer in the Bear Cage (and with a tumor in his spine, even!)
3. Juliets amazing strength and quick reactions after she was attacked by Kate in the game room, delivering a sandwich
4. The Smoke Monster
5. Why the Others know so much about the Losties (like Sawyer killing the wrong man)
6. The sonic fence
7. The magical healing properties on the Island
8. The whispers in the forest
9. The injections used by the Others
10. The origin of the Numbers

altho they were Invading us.., And they would able to Technically Manipulate the World of the 815ers and their real Life World

But if it is well developed and well written and slowly introduced …E.T.s would/could work, I only want itto be well done……
Ben rejecting “Carrie” would be an Alien Oppinion, as if, “That’s Silly” how unbelieveable”.
Peace and Good Watching Tonite.

Don’t know who brought it up - - maybe Frank - - but Jack as ” A great leader, a great man, but because of this he is alone ” as his tatoo means and then if it says ” He walks among us but is not one of us ” - - sorta chilling when combined with the fact that he may have been brainwashed ( by his own instruction, I am assuming ) so that even he wouldn’t know who he was….then to come back to the island as a Lostie and be the Jacob figure is a wild theory - - but I don’t think I’m ready to go quite that far yet…I’d be more willing to go w/ the Arzt theory from before…reason….it would be hard to think that he would go to all of that trouble and risk to his life to do this and for what….of course you would have to assume he knew exactly how everything was going to turn out and that his dad and all of his flashbacks are bogus…doesn’t make since to me….but then again…..nothing on this show does and that’s why I love it….

MY CURRENT THEORY OF EVERYTHING — Thanks to anyone who will read and respond - - 

Comic Book - - in the first episodes we saw a comic and it had polar bears and a radio tower and doctors and ALIENS…Walt had picked it up from the crash but it was Hurley’s spanish comic…. since then we have seen in many flashbacks and backgrounds Easter eggs that point to some of these things ( Like in Desmonds when he meets Mr. Widmore and in the background is the Polar bear upside down on the picture ) Any news on this that should make some sense?

Based on the fact that there were ALIENS in the comic….

Perhaps DHARMA was a cover for the military ( from several countries around the world - at least U.S. and RUSSIA so far ) who have for years at the highest levels been in contact w/ Aliens. Jacob in particular. Remember “Close Encounters Of the Third Kind” where aliens meet w/ humans and have test subjects aboard their craft who have lived for many years since abduction…and the military makes the mountain seem like it has been diseased…to keep it private….then an exchange takes place….but through telepathy the aliens contact certain humans to come to the mountain who they want to take w/ them on the next voyage…along w/ certain scientists….OK….

The aliens make a deal w/ the governments of the world to have a place on the earth to be left alone and isolated…perhaps their resources are depleted and in return for the humans not destroying the earth by having a war with the aliens, the military agrees to let them have a place on Earth as long as the military is assured that they will be allowed to watch over the aliens and communicate w/ their own people who are there to observe the aliens. For years the military has been sending volunteer test subjects to the island who are told they were there to “save the world” and doing something good for their country ). They are there to report the goings on of the aliens or other strange occurrences under the umbrella of the military and the DHARMA project, but have no real idea about the overall reason. DHARMA people are the scientists that may or may not be military who have agreed to go to the island. Upon truce w/ the aliens, the military built the island and it’s hatch system as a place to study along side the aliens and learn from them. The aliens thought that humans were a good species, until eventually the leader - “Jacob” who is whole alien and whose telepathy abilities can see into peoples past / souls and possible futures are manifested into the smoke monster…think Firestarter / Carrie ( which would be a good reason Ben who is closest to Jacob would not like the idea of the book Carrie to be read ) sensed that most are flawed and not altruistic ( like our 815ers ) and decides that in order to save the human race from itself / and keep his place to live / he decides to make the species evolve they will have to eventually kill all the humans or mix races w/ them. The rare magnetic properties and other island forces are a bi-product of the alien presence/technology. The sonic fence is some alien technology originally lent / shared with the military / original Dharma folks who before the takeover were promised a safety zone against Jacobs gifts. Most all DHARMA and military are now dead b/c of the alien takeover. The military was promised the place inside the fence as a protection against Jacob for when his temper flares / he sleeps and unconsciously harms people. The current “Others” are the first alien hybrids…perhaps the “hostiles” that are mentioned are the humans w/ DHARMA and military who were on the island during the “incident” or “uprising”….who discovered Jacob’s plan and didn’t want to go along w/ his and the alien demands for control…remember the movie Coccoon where the pods had healing and life extending powers…sorta like the island…perhaps the island is actually an alien ship that has been cloaked in the sea….or if not the entire island then it is maybe under the waters there or something….perhaps hovering constantly over the island….they could be using a cloaking device explaining why it cannot be seen on radar and no one can find it from the outside world….It would also explain why the plane simply broke in two…almost as if it hit something…anyways…there was some strange picture in the comic with a floating landmass or something that I’ll go back and watch from that comic….

This could make some sense as to why “Others” ( Alien Hybrids ) can’t get pregnant on the island…the first batch of hybrids worked, but since then ( after Ben was one of the first, perhaps Jacob’s eldest son ) something has changed…perhaps it was the introduction of the atmosphere, who knows at this point, but perhaps because “full humans” still can reproduce and because many of the hostiles were the best fertility people, then the alien hybrids must recruit new doctors and people from the outside world there to further the technology to make this happen…maybe they recruit because if Jacob and the “Others” aliens take the ship or move it the military will take it as a sign of aggression and break of the truce and start a war……..

This hypothesis could help explain some mental telepathy type stuff going on…if Jacob has telepathy and abilities and his hybrid offspring have to some degree, then that to me would make some sense as to why Ben knows what he knows….it might also explain the interest in Walt…perhaps the “Others” wanted to find out if they thought Walt was some hybrid from an earlier or separate alien landing….that’s why the questions to Michael if he was sure he was the father……

If Jacob’s power to use the smoke monster is a manifestation he controls he has complete control over the island and can see every one of the 815er’s…..my only guess as to why people must come to the island or to the help of the “Others” willingly as opposed to being forced to is that if they come by force they will not do what needs to be done correctly. Besides the need for human help for reproducing, Jacob and the “Others” use the 815ers as an example to the willing humans who find there way there either by accident or choice ( Jacob would know who would like to be included using his telepathy, thus the people taken from the crash who have not been killed ) as an example of what the human species will be if they were left alone….perhaps for some of our Losties he takes them when they have changed or he makes the circumstances change so that when they prove their ability to change that is when they die….he would not want the people observing to realize that it is in their power to control their destiny and that humans have the ability to make mistakes and then to change their ways…once they have repented their sins and quit being evil they are of no use to Jacob on this island any longer….in fact they are a threat…

I only come here and I respect everyone’s opinion that I have read….and do not go to spoiler sites — have the producers ever mentioned anything to do w/ Aliens or said that they play no part? Thanks to all - - I love reading everyone’s thoughts here - -

Feel free to poke holes - - no hard feelings here - -

“Not all woman die from pregnancy on the Island. Nothing would have happened to Claire without the Others manipulations. She would be just fine
as well as the baby would. The Island chose Claire to gave the birth on It. I’m pretty sure that all that Others problems where because they are intruders on the Island and that all that Jacob Fucka altough powerful is not welcomed on it most definite. I really hope that Locke will cancel him.”

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Yes! I am totally with you on this one. Locke is obviously “in tune” with the island and the others are obviously not. The island is the real protagonist here. It’s why the others had to create an EMP fence to keep the “smoke” monster out (which is electromagnetism, I am sure of it, - I will post my bit of research and theories on it if anyone is interested), the monster was not created by the others. It was created by the island, which is why it hasn’t killed Rousseau in all these years, even though she seemingly has no protection from it (and as a side note, she called it a “security system”).

I think the others are not able to utilize this “box” (a variation of Pandora’s box, I think), but they think that Locke can. The island is not fond of Ben, and he is going to use Locke to get what he wants.

tvscifi.com Says:
April 14th, 2007 at 9:52 am
‘But then again, during one of the Podcasts the producers said the Others are even more evil than you think, so anything is possible.’

I think there is definitely something wrong with Jack. He’s acting really strange and being totally intolerant to people who are sceptical about Juliet. You’d think he would know why people are acting like that since they were enemies before. It just seems really fishy to me.

Are Damon and Carlton being as truthful as Ben?

We have clearly seen that the Others are expert liars, don’t always trust one another, and are willing to die (or kill) for their cause if need be. So OF COURSE Juliet will play along with Ben when he says, “See you in a week.” Just like she believed he would send her home. But we have seen too much of her — and her combined dislike and distrust of Ben, along with some grudging respect/awe — for me to believe that she is simply subservient.

That is why, to me, she is the most interesting character this year. Similarly, I though Ben (as Henry Gale) was the most interesting character last year: we never quite knew when he was honest and when he was dishonest. (Or when he was both simultaneously, like when he gave the map to the hot air balloon.)

I thought she would be after Charley’s hide too, since he killed Ethan. But if you replay that last scene, she smiles when looking at Charley and Clair, then she turns to look at someone else and tighens the knot hard. I think the Producers would have seperated Charley from Clair if he was the target of her rath.

Possibilites..
Sayid threatened to kill her
Jack might be playing her, and she realizes it
Sawyer hurt his girlfriend in his flashback, who was then befriended by Kate
Hurley? No way!
Who’s left?

Also, forgot to mention. At the end of the episode when Juliet is looking around the camp and (intense musical score here) tightens the rope, I think that is symbolic of what she wants to do with Charlie. The first time Charlie got hung by a rope it didn’t work. Juliet’s got unfinished business.

They had to Gas Sayid and Kate and maybe Jack and some ,other non-others…..Kate and Sayid are way too dangerous to try to handle by force.

STEVEN: Jacob is “Mr. Big”as the one who is pulling strings, that the Others keep alluding to,

Juliet has to apparently “Kill” someone(s) within these seven Days,”see you in a week”, there is the REAL Possibility that she will administer something to simulate Death in order to remove them from Losties Camp.
Not Jack
Not Kate
Not Sayid
Not Sawyer
Not Hurley
as they had shots at them in Others “Village”.
My bet is one of the Pregnant Women.
And Maybe a real Killing to Seperate them from Losties
{{{{Charlie or Jin}}}}
I know all this talk of People coming back from Dead is disruptive BUT, It wll happen, it has to some extent but,WE WILL see the Dead walk again.
N+P may be toast unless we see an empty grave this week or next

Also, after Ben gives Juliet the gas mask and moves away from her, Juliet’s lips move as if to say something under her breath (maybe “razzle dazzle” ). Anyone else notice that? I doubt it was a goof, since it would have been pretty obvious to the show’s editors. If you have TIVO, take a look.

Greg — Ethan leaving Charlie hung up in that tree didn’t look all that altruistic to me. The Lostie kill, the the Others mainly abduct, brainwash, lie, bully, batter, etc. But who knows — anything’s possible with human beings fighting for dominance or survival and a staff of very creative writers can do anything they please. Hang on.
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What if Charlie hung himself? He was so distraught at not being able to save Clair, he couldn’t live with himself. It makes sense Jack was able to save him because he had just hadn’t been hanging there that long. He might not even remember doing it, due to lack of oxygen to the brain, or is to embarrassed to confess.

Of course we think Ethan killed Scott (or is it Steve?) But what if Nikki or Paulo did it because he learned about the diamonds? And maybe the Others sent Michael to free Ben and Michael botched the attempt and shot Anna Lucia of his own accord?

But then again, during one of the Podcasts the producers said the Others are even more evil than you think, so anything is possible.

I couldn’t help, therefore, but feel that Alpert’s line about ‘time flying’ was to further tip the show’s hat to the theory that time on the island is being ‘lost’ and that what feels to Juliet like 3 years may really just be 6 months.

Also, does anyone else now have the impression–after Juliet’s big con–that, so too, is Jack running a con? Everything we’ve seen about Jack so far indicates that his character flaws/weaknesses do not come in the department of wits. He can be bossy, temperamental and obsessive but he seems to be the smartest and most capable character. He not only can do brain surgery, but he also shoots targets more skillfully than Sayid, Kate or Sawyer; can run a con better than Sawyer or Ben (as proven earlier in this season); not to mention his many other talents. It seems like the producers were indicating as much (about Jack’s possibly, again, having a larger plan to ensnare Juliet) in the scene he had at the beginning of the episode with Kate. Clearly, she thought his “I just kept my head down the last week” claim not very believable. And either this means he has been brainwashed or is lying. And, since, there is no way he is working with the Others, the only reason he has to lie is b/c he has a plan of his own that he needs to keep secret, for now, from everyone so that neither Juliet nor Ben suspect that he is on to them. In fact, it seems that Jack’s whole posture about wanting to take Ben up on the deal of getting off the island, may really have always been more about helping his fellow survivors than it ever really was about helping himself, a la Michael in season 2. Afterall, what else was the purpose of the inclusion of another bit of dialogue that is now, in retrospect, starting to take on a much deeper meaning than it first seemed to: i.e. Jack’s response to the Sheriff of Othersville, at the end of the episode with his Thailand back story, that “that is what the tattoos say”, about him ‘walking among’ his community, but not being part of it, but that “that is not what they mean.” WHen he first spoke this, it sounded–like with most Lost dialogue–like just a nicely written line that was a fitting capper to that episode and its back story. But it also may well have been a way to foreshadow Jack’s being hip to the Others’ latest infiltration, and, thus, it may not have been a testament, as it seemed at the end of the Thailand episode, to how Jack would be ‘walking amongst’ and being ‘one with’ the Others (consistent with what he tells the Sheriff of Othersville that his tattoos **mean**), given that at this point in the overall plotline of the series he is being shown to be sailing back to the Others’ camp. Instead, doesn’t it now seem that that bit of dialogue about the real meaning of Jack’s tat’s was to assure the viewer that we should keep our faith and trust in his leadership and wits in the episodes to come, especially at this point when it is now starting, on the surface of things, to appear that Jack selfishly wanted off the island and, to make things even worse, has been totally duped by Juliet and the Others.

Thanks,

Marc



Ben/Henry lies all the time. He makes a habit of lying. He’s like the guy in the parable who either always tells the truth or always lies and you can only ask him one question. The statement that he never lies was a lie.

Why did Ben used the word “cancer” instead of “tumor?” Juliet DID question him about the change of word, so it wasn’t a writers’ slip-up. This could point to Ben getting confused with a previous Time-Loop in which he did have cancer. (you realize that Desmond’s Fashback episode brought up the Time-Loop concept, I didn’t)

How did Juliet drag Kate a mile or so away from the Other’s camp, alone? Have you ever tried to drag someone 10 feet? It’s not easy.

Why was it important for Juliet to be handcuffed to Kate, when Juliet was prepared to admit to lying about it to Kate? Juliet could have stayed at the camp with the other Losties, and pretended to be gassed there. Unless, Kate is pregnant (from Sawyer), and Juliet needed to observe/assist the first 24 hours of pregnancy.

I’m beginning to think Mr. Middle-School PhD Science Teacher is Jacob. Where did he come up with all those bottles for his insects (could be a writers goof)… the hatch hadn’t been discovered yet and I don’t think there had been a food drop either.

The only lie Ben was ever caught in, was when he told the Losties he was Henry Gale (yet another Black dead person.. hmm). Juliet has no problem lying, over and over again. Juliet’s motivation is to get off the Island anyway she can. As a rule, Ben doesn’t lie, otherwise he would have no credibility to the Others.

Again, in this episode Ben was rarely surprised about anything (except for the fact that he had a tumor, instead of cancer). Ben and Locke both act like they know what’s going to happen on the Island, what’s happened many times before, and they plan for it… with minor deviations.. “Dad?”

Fernando — Dr Richard Alpert went by the name Ram Dass? Is he friends with Ben Dover? =) Hugh G. Rection?

Brian et. al. — Juliet clearly is more manipulative than we were initially led to believe. But is she truly deceiving the Losties as Ben’s command? Or is she a double agent who plans to get the strength of the Losties to overthrow Ben? OR… is she only out for herself? She has clearly shown a desire to break free of Ben on several occasions…

Also, I think Mikhail and Ben can find out more than was reported on the news. They could learn about Sawyer killing a man in the same way they could videotape Juliet’s sister.

Connie from AK — excellent point about Juliet’s sister being male. One of the things I wondered was whether her cancer was a female reproductive cancer wherein maybe she had a hysterectomy or oophorectomy (uterus or ovaries out for the lay people reading) and would be physically incapable of pregnancy, and that’s why Juliet’s work would have been so groundebreaking. There are a few references to young people having the internal organs of elderly people (? early atrophy or cancers ?). Maybe they considered her male due to lack of female reproductive organs? Maybe she really is a man? Maybe Ben *does* want to get pregnant… not that far fetched based on what we know of them!

NorCal Matt — Wonder if Juliet is pregnant. That might give more credence to the theory that Juliet is only out for herself. And I wonder if they did anything to Kate when they took her away and made things “unpleasant” for her earlier this season…

And one last big thought for Bill, whose multiple postings here were insightful and really made me think a lot about the episode:
Ben talks about “cancers,” and Juliet “tumors.” Tumors can be benign or malignant. “Cancer” usually implies a malignant tumor (although some cancers, like certain skin cancers, are non-malignant). Tumors are also known as NEOPLASMS, or new growths. By a very loose definition, embryos/fetuses/children in utero are all NEOPLASMS in that they are new growths. They are not cancerous — though sometimes women will get a malignant product of conception called a choriocarcinoma — but they are neoplasms, and if they were to grow to the point that their growth killed the host organism, they could be considered cancers. So maybe this is a very carefully chosen word and a very interesting parallel, since apparently all women who get pregnant on the island die from their pregnancy.

And of course the ultimate irony would be that there are no neoplastic processes on this island. Babies or tumors.

NorCal Matt,
I love the Revenge angle.
it ties into the Hateful Look and Knot Trying by Juliet….WatchOut HobbitCharlie!!

But, I again DisAgree Arntz, May still turn out as CrazyMadGenius.
Dude,….they only buried parts of him or did not at all.

Penny’s Dad could be the Bucks behind the Brains(Leslie Anrntz)
and US/UN Military could be Intent behind Dharma
Initiative.

Dude,….they only buried parts of him or did not at all.
PhD in Middle School ….my unpatched Eye!!

The Pigs are Walking!!!!!!!!!!!!

Was just watching Star Trek Voyager on Spike - the episode “Blink of an Eye” starred Daniel Dae Kim.

Someone needs to call Sawyer “Kid Rock.”

I don’t think that Juliet is particularly ‘evil’, its just as Jack says to her “She wants to get off the Island more than anyone”, i.e. she’ll do absolutely anything to achieve it - which makes her more dangerous than Jack estimates.

Goodwin is sent to the Tailies and is eventually is murdered by Ana Lucia. Juliet would obviously be heartbroken and vengeful.

Michael infiltrates the Others to get Walt back. The Others make a deal with Michael. Free Ben, and we will give you Walt. But…. That was only half of his orders. Juliet orders Michael to kill Ana Lucia, effectively avenging her lover’s death.

Michael goes back to the Losties and waits for the moment when he is alone in the hatch with Ana Lucia. He tells Lucia, “I’m Sorry.” And shoots her. Libby was not intended to die, but needed to be written off the show.

Which leads to Juliet being on the beach now and perhaps she wants to avenge another death, Ethan. Ethan is in every Juliet flashback. Perhaps they formed a very tight friendship. Could it possibly be times up for Charlie?

sidebar theory: What if Juliet and Goodwin took their romance to the next level and Juliet is pregnant? She would be 3 months pregnant at this point. This changes everything. Juliet’s motivation to fix Ben’s fertility problem is not to get off the island, necessarily, but to save her own life.

This was the best all-around episode of Season 3… so far.

Mr Science Arntz, COULD have Faked his Death Easily, ..Explosion..(No Body Plenty of Pig Brains and Guts from a pre Loaded Rig..Notice or Remember he made Everyone Back way off and set up Scene perfectly.
“Him Alone,Safe and He contrlled the Whole TNT moving thing”
Nope Mr Science Arnst is Mr. Big , and an ecentric Genius.
Rember his Crash Scene , LOOK at ME Notice ME, am I OK?!”

PART 1: - - - - I think this is a little stretch - - and I am a LOST fan, so I’m obviously willing to be stretched a long way - - I can agree that he seems to fit the mold of someone eccentric and overlooked by some of the comments he says like “you all think you’re so important, but there are other people here” and telling the 815ers that they acted like clicks in high school…that it would have been a neat twist to be able to pull off that he in fact was the plant/other agent mastermind….however…. that dude definately blew up…..and if I rememeber correctly he was almost attacked by smokey and came back to the team because of being afraid….he didn’t willingly go all the way…which to me says that he didn’t mastermind an “follow the ball under the coconut” trick against Jack, Hurley, Kate, Locke, and whoever else all went….

Around that same time though, John Locke met smokey and had some revelations that we are still not sure what happened - - he faced smokey and lived, once, and Mr. Ecko unfortunately was taken by smokey and torn to shreds….my guess is that whatever Locke is doing now is somehow related to that incident and his overall “island fever”…

If anyone needs to be thought of at this point as a recruiter or another “other” infiltrator it would be the girl that appears to Jack’s cage that was originally w/ Anna Lucia and the tailies….that said they were there “observing” - - that scene was out of left field and I can’t remember anyone discussing it much further - - - If anyone else that we got to know at all in the past few years was an “other” from the start I would have to suspect Libby….she was the only tied to many of the people on the island like Hurley, Desmond and who knows who just yet, and the pillow was over her stomach when she was shot…however I remember her having a slow and painful death on the couch in the end ( shirt covering bullet wounds…did anyone look at the wounds directly? Don’t remember any squiriting Saving Private Ryan type of wounds in the hatch…..but if we are now suggesting that Ben and the “Others” can make implants that force people to spew up blood from their mouths like Claire did then I would think she could have used that to fake her death and all….sounds better than Artz the science teacher! PhD and all….he’s gone.

PART 2:

Programming - Is it just me or why would I think that it would take more than just a day or two to program someone…if it can be done at all….I’m waiting on a scientific explanation like some of the other people posting here….and I hope that this will not be the case….People have been suggesting that the “Others” are programming people to behave in ways and to react to key words like a psychologist would make a guy bark like a dog to certain key words after a quick “relax…breath deep…I’m going to count backwards from 10 and by the time you wake up, blah blah” hypnosis session….I know we’ve seen some of the DHARMA films that deal w/ this a little and some of the “clockwork orange” scenes where boyfriend is strapped in for a sleep deprevation mind fu@% - - but am I to believe that Sawyer, Sayid and some of our 815ers are now under a majic spell and can’t choose their own paths…..this is bad if this is the case…. I would expect that from some daytime Soap Opera but not LOST…. I don’t mind some of this introduced as a control for some of the “Others” but it had better not be a major plot in dealing w/ the 815ers….It seemed to me that Michael was under some control…and perhaps you are right about these other two…I just think that 3 or 4 days of messing w/ someone isn’t enough to put them in a trance…..

Any Thoughts?

PART 3 :

This is scary—- last night I almost had some sympathy for the “Others” after Juliet’s comment about our boys Sawyer and Sayid….that said…..and this is what is scary…wouldn’t this be the greatest show ever if somehow over the next few years ( at least, let’s hope, right? ) that evenually our feelings on the 815ers is completely turned around and we start to believe in what the “Others” are doing as truely being the good thing and that the Losties are basically the bad guys, thugs, killers, liars, cheats, con-men, thieves, drug addicts, fornicators, torturers, loonies, cowards, mobsters and all…..wow….when I think about it….I’m really scared I’m falling for the wrong types of people….maybe even though his methods are bad, Benry and crew aren’t? Another reason that in Part 2 of this novel I believe that the others cannot take away free will from our Losties…how else can they clense themselves of their sins and then be taken away by smokey?

I knew Ethan’s case was RECENT plant because freshly cut GREENbrush covered it…. It had not been there long…

Thanks for the identification of Richard. I was not sure if it was him or not.

MJimbo-

None of these people have come back to life. Eko even found his dead brother’s body by the plane.

Arntz- Dead
Mrs. Klugh- Dead
Libby- Dead
Ethan- Dead
Nikki / Paulo- ….Sleeping

Ryan Pryce is an Other who seems to hold a bit of influence over the policing of The Others’ community. He was put in charge of supervising Sayid while he was bound to the swing set, and attempted to quiet Sayid when he began divulging information about Alex’s mother to her.

On the island, Pryce seems to have a security function similar to the one Danny Pickett had before he was killed. He commands the team that guards Jack, captures Kate and Sayid, and discovers Locke at the submarine.

He’s the guy watching Sayid at the swing set….

All Dead who were seen by Alive People

Maybe Dave is Jacob?