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IGN discusses the 50 Top Lost Loose Ends.

It is a very good read, and discusses many things talked about here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=736Pt8OkXuE

Don’t know why it was cut out though. It shouldn’t have been. Many viewers think Jack told Kate to run so she would be separated from Sawyer and he would end up being killed by Picket. The uncut scene shows clearly that Jack was preocupied with both friends and is a pretty noble person, wanting to save Sawyer after seeing what he saw on Ben’s monitor.

Another question. Did Ben say he had grown up on the island, or that he had also never been off of the island? If it is the latter, then Ben will be going back with Jack to the real world for the first time if he keeps this promise (Ben to Jack: “I’ll take you there. I will take you home.” )

“[Ben turns toward the cart that was rolled in the turns on a TV. It shows the Red Sox winning the World Series. Jack moves toward the TV in disbelief and watches the end of the game. Ben turns the TV off.]

BEN: That’s home, Jack. Right there, on the other side of that glass. And if you listen to me — if you trust me — if you do what I tell you when the time comes — I’ll take you there. I will take you home.”

Thank you for finally posting something on the rash of biblical allusions we’ve been pounded with in this past episode. But I think you meant James is the supplanter not Jaccob….in the Bible, James was supposed to take over for Jesus but was replaced by Paul. Intestringly enough, James is Sawyer’s real name….

Also take note that Kate means “virginal or pure”….Despite the fact that she is clearly not a virgin there is something going on with the love triangle between Jack, Kate and Sawyer in relation to the Bible….possibly some sort of modern day trinity theme?

Not to mention:

Alex fultily challenging the Others with a SLINGSHOT????
Hello, David and Golith allusion.

And finally, after reading more about Jacob and his ladder I discovered some relation between his story and Natural Selection. Some poeple have even gone as far as to associate the ladder with DNA. With the emphasis on fertility and pregnancy going on in this show it’s worth looking up…perhaps Kate and Sawyer we’re on that list for bloodline reasons…Maybe Clemetine will have a sibling to play with in nine months…

- Mr. Eko dies
- Michael leaves the island after becoming a villain of sorts
- Walt is kidnapped and has been MIA since season 1
- Rose is nowhere to be seen
- Klugh is nowhere to be seen
- Nikki and Paulo: more white trash added to the show?

It’s not just against blacks, either. Who killed one of the others? Why, the evil Korean lady of course. Who was sent home by the others? Hurley, the only Mexican; and the 3 whites got to stay with the others. As if that weren’t enough, Sayid is probably gonna get eaten by the smoke monster or the one-eyed man.

Why are they so cruel????

- Jacob is the father of Benjamin (Genesis-Old Testament; also the father of Joseph and the tribes of Israel)

- Biblically the name “Jacob” means- Supplanter ( to supersede another especially by force or treachery) or Deceiver

- One of Jacob’s other sons was named “Dan”

Don’t know if this will connect with the show at all, but thought I’d mention it.

Also, what’s with the triangle theme? Kate’s in one, and so was Sun. I was also thinking the island(s) is/are sort of like the Bermuda Triangle. Any thoughts on the triangle theme?

Cheers,

Tori

I’m very curious who Jacob is. My bet is the guy with the eye patch. I’m not sure that I agree with those who think Kate still loves Jack. I tend to think that she’s really decided Sawyer’s her man, especially since I understand that Juliet is destined to be Jack’s girl in the second half of the season.

My overall reaction to the first six episodes though was “great, but enough of The Others for a while.” I want to get back to the losties we’ve come to love and suffer with for 2+ years. I miss Jin and Sun, Charlie and Claire, Rose and Bernard and especially Hurley. Let’s get back to their story. Where has Danielle been all season?

I was optimistic when the hatch was destroyed, but it was replaced by two cages and an underwater surgery tank and that’s even worse.

Juliet I like, Ben is just too creapy as are most of his henchmen. No way can I accept that they are “the good guys.”

I wonder what the heck they are building that requires Kate and Sawyer to break up rocks every day. What do they need to speedup the construction of?

I assume that the Others plan was to slowly break Jack, Kate and Sawyer. The problem though is that the first six episodes have also been slowly breaking many viewers. We Lost fans need to be let out of our cages and dungeon and freed again to enjoy the main characters.

I blame ABC for clearly hoping that the show will run 6 years for maximum syndication rights. Lost should be a 4 year story tops with the last season bringing everything to a well thought out conclusion. As long as ABC wants to milk the show for every ratings and ad dollar, we fans will be left starving for answers and starving for resolution of at least some of the story.

If you watch the epidosde again, you can see that the pregnancy test says that a “+” means your pg and a “-” means your not. The test was negative.

DIRTY SEX

I could help but imagine how dirty they must have been. I hiked Half Dome in Yosemite this summer and I was so dirty, gross and tired (but probably not as dirty and gross as Kate and Sawyer) and the last think on my mind would have been sex.

BEN’S TUMOR

I think it would have been sweet if jack, after looking at the X-Ray’s would have said, “It’s not a too-mah.” (it’s from kindergarden cop in case you don’t know). I think i’m on to something! There is surely a Arnold Schwarzennager connection here. (1) The tumor from Kindergarden Cop and (2) in Twins Arnold’s character was raised on an island is the south pacific by a scientist. Hmm.

Anyway, it’s funny that the island cured Locke and Rose but Ben can’t be cured. Are the others a type of “gate keeper?” Helping humanity to a better tomorrow but destined to be left behind?

CHILDHOOD’S END

check out the wiki entry for the book childhood’s end:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Childhood%27s_End

The children end up being the future. Is this why the others want the children? Walt obviously had some special gifts. Is the 4 toed statue a foreshadowing of some type of human evolution? Or is the island home to the mythical Springfield of the Simpsons (they only have 4 fingers)?

Great episode.

in regards to Kate calling Ed the Marshal, my first reaction was that he and Kate had been married and that is why he has been chasing her. Why else would she tell him she wanted to stop running and that she loved Kevin. I mean if he was really after her because she was a real fugitive why would he tell her he would stop but only if she could settle down.

In the scene another ” marshall” is on a computer, I assume tracing the call. I think saying he will stop chasing her, is his only hope of keeping her in one place and tracking her down.

I think that the bobsie twins are not a plus in the new season and should be put back in the background. She almost seemed stilted at the funeral scene.

Not much of a cliff hanger when in the previews we see kate and sawyer running away together…….. Surpised nobody has mentioned this yet.

Still miss your podcast, Jay and Jack are good, but you guys were great!

And, guys, if you hate the show so much and think it’s “boring”, just stop watching. “cause if you were bored last night, you just haven’t been paying attention.

I think something is going on with Kate, too, Michael B. They’ve been so inconsistent with her from the beginning that it’s really hard to figure out what they want to do with her anyway, but I agree, she’s weird. That’s really why I don’t like the character. I think they’ve dropped the ball on her somewhere.

I think that Kate was pregnant and had an abortion before she drugged her husband. She and Jin had a conversation about pregnancy but I don’t remember what actually was said. Anyway, from the test Kate took, I came away thinking she was pregnant and that’s why she was crying. She knew she’d have to have an abortion and run.

Ryan, when I did a search for “lift up your eyes and look north” in an electronic bible, it didn’t come up with Genesis, but 2 others. Jeremiah 13:20 which says “Lift up your eyes and see those who come from the north.” and Ezk. 8:5 which says “Oh mortal, lift up your eyes now in the direction of the north. So I lifted up my eyes to the north and there, north of the altar gate, in the entrance, was this image of jealousy.” Both interesting passages that can mean many things!

I’m wondering why Kate didn’t tell Jack that they were all on an island and there was no getting off.

Anyone else notice the looks that Juliet was giving Jack during the surgery? It seemed obvious to me that she was waiting for Jack to kill Ben. I wondered if the other Others noticed her looks, cause they were so over the top. Also, she certainly didn’t seem to try to stop Jack from letting Ben bleed. Isn’t she a doctor too? Wouldn’t she know how to stitch up a kidney?

Looking forward to all the comments and observations! Hope someone will watching Daybreak and filling us in on the previews for Lost! I don’t know if I want another commitment show!

After Kevin surprises her with honeymoon tickets to Costa Rica she realizes that keeping her secret from him is going to be too hard. She can’t leave the country or she’s going to be chased and caught by the marshall, and she loves Kevin enough to level with him and give him an out to keep him from being implicated with her. So she runs again. I think she traded in the two Costa Rica tickets for her ticket to Australia.

How is that relevant to her current situation? Well, it seems she is once again, for whatever reason–coersion, love, dispair, whatever–trying to do the right thing by doing as she is told. And even though she now knows they are on another island, she has refused to run away on several different occaisions. The old Kate would have run in a heartbeat regardless of the threat level or the slim odds of total escape. I’d like to think that she has decided that having once run away from love, she is determined not to do so again…and I agree that it is obvious that she is in love with Jack…sigh…..

You make some very promising arguments for this episode. However, the only one that really strikes a chord with me is that we see JACK ACTUALLY HAS A SPINE!

The major issue was that I was living Spoiler Free in Season 3. I mean I enjoy hearing about filming scenes and possible issues with a bus incident, etc. But there were TWO AWESOME PARTS to this episode. The first few minutes which Jack tries to slap Juliette in the face with the charts and says “When Ben, at least you wont have to be disappointed very long.” and then at the end when Jack TAKES CONTROL.

These two scenes would have been enough to make me tolerate the lame jungle scenes, and my new Anna Lucia Horrible Flashback Award winning scenes.

But the issue is that I watched the official lost video podcast and I saw the opening scene with Jack, Ben, and Juliette. I was totally rocked by it and thought, WOW, if they are sharing this, then the rest of the show is going to KEEP IT PUNCHING like this all the way through. I was SET UP by abc to expect action, adventure, and something that would CHANGE EVERYTHING!

Yes, Jack is the new sheriff in town! He’s calling the shots and The Others are at his mercy, IT SEEMS. But I was expecting the thrill of the first scene to keep me on the edge of my seat, much like last weeks episode did.

Last week, I had to remind myself to breath at commercial breaks. This week… Not so much.

But I’m not a relationship person. And I think that is the clearly evident thing here. Kate seems to be the Lost Poster Children for Relationship Content on the show and well, as I shared in our most recent podcast, “What an Awful Mess” and “That had about as much romance as an autopsy.”

Overall, I liked 4 of the six first episodes of Season 3. I don’t think Lost has jumped any sharks! What a stupid phrase that is. Lost still has a LOT OF LIFE in it and I’m still a major fan and it will be a long 13 weeks.

But I hope they either Give Apollo Bar and Nike some lines or kill them off in Episode #7. They are truly tainting any episode they appear in so far.

Big Deal, the toilette still works!

I’m done ranting. Everyone has a different opinion and I still think Lost is Awesome. Just didn’t care for this episode. I think I would have been less harsh on the Kate junk if they didn’t make her flashbacks a part of the cliffhanger episode.

This episode could have TOTALLY ROCKED with some Karl & Alex Flashbacks! Making Alex the centric character! She seemed to play a strong enough role in this episode to make that possible.

Thanks as always Ryan for all you do for the Lost Community. Oh, and yes, we love you too Jenn!

Cliff

Ryan, I don’t think it’s Alex on the intercom. It doesn’t sound like her. Actually, it sounds more like a computer voice. It sure looks like Ben’s her father-of-sorts.

I’m not sure if Jacob is *him*. Can’t he just be another Other that still lives with the losties?

I too love Ben and Juliet. It would sadden me if he died because of the operation.

I found this on Lostpedia.com, to answer your question. I had to look it up too!

“After administering aid to the others, Jack takes a sewing kit from a suitcase and slips off into the jungle to examine the wound on his left side. He sees a young woman (who later identifies herself to the unconscious man as Kate Austen) standing nearby and drafts her to sew up his wound, calming her by telling her the story of his first solo surgical procedure, where he conquered his fear during an emergency by “letting the fear” in, but only for five seconds…as the three run from the “Monster”, Charlie is nearly taken by it, after he trips, and Jack leaves Kate to return to fetch him. She calms herself by counting to five as Jack had suggested.”

About five minutes into it though, I had a nagging question aboout Ben (that maybe has been answered, dunno, but..) if he has the power to send people home (like Michael and Walt, supposedly and Jack possibly) then why the heck does he need to kidnap and brainwash/blackmail a plane crash survivor who happens to be a spinal surgeon, but also happens to hate him into doing life or death spinal surgery on him? Why doesn’t he just hop on his boat and go back to reality for a while and have surgery?

Well, the obvious answer (aside from a hole in the plot) is that Ben is not such a big deal after all. Maybe Ben doesn’t really have much power to do much of anything (middle management?). He is as stuck on the island as everyone else. This was perfectly symbolized with the two diparate views of Ben we see in this episode: pure evil in his glasses stepping up behind Jack and then totally prostrate and afraid asking “do you ever get nervous before an operation?” right before he is about to be put under.

Which raises the intriguing question…Who is Jacob? I’m looking forward to finding out.

The not so obvious answer is, maybe Ben can’t go back for other reasons. Maybe he is a fugitive too.

As for Juliet, I agree, I am really enjoying her character and can’t wait to see where they will go with her. She is so cold and impervious, but clearly there is a whole lot going on there.

Kate and Sawyer…meh. Kate and Jack…meh. I’ll be glad when this love triangle stops playing such a prominent role in the plot and frankly wouldn’t care in the least if Kate suddenly professed her love for Ben. Seriously. Move on. Besides, we all know that Kate doesn’t do Taco night, so can we just go back to Kate being a tomboy?

Who remembers the story Jack told Kate when she was stitching him up in the very begining? Something to do with being afraid during a surgery and having his patient’s nerves spill out like spaghetti and he had to put them back in….

Finally, not sure how much I like this new system of no reruns and no new episodes til february. Ugh. As if the winter is not long enough.

GREAT DRAMA TAKING PLACE
I think the drama aspect of the show has really stepped up for Season 3. I find myself really enjoying it and pulled in.

STRONG CHARACTERS
It is great to see the true character of the Lostees rise to the surface. We really are seeing what Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Ben, and Locke are made of. It looks (from the previews) like they are going to do the same with Desmond. I hope they can do the same thing with the rest of the characters.

EMOTIONAL CRESCENDO
Last night’s episode did the best job of bringing the tension and drama to a climax. We don’t have a resolution, and we hate to wait, but I was on the edge of my seat waiting to see what happened. I thought the build up was masterful. I just hate to wait!

LOST SNEEK PEEKS IN DAYBREAK
I think I am going to skip Daybreak, or just watch a couple of episodes. I am not going to watch a 12 week show just for LOST previews. I think an extra hour of family time will be better than wasting my time trying to get into a new show. I’m shifting to Heroes for a while.

Strange that my wife, usually not a fan of Kate either, really liked the cage love making last night. She melted when Sawyer told Kate “I love you” in his way.

Finally, my wife and I thought about what we were doing about 3 months ago and we realized that 3 months is a VERY, VERY long time. The superbowl is Feb 4!

Obviously he is higher up than Ben. He (Jacob) could very well be the GREAT MAN that Ben referred to when he was locked up in the hatch in season 2.

The Kate backstory doesn’t tell us a whole lot, at least I don’t think. maybe it shows us her desire to live a normal live, but factually, it doesn’t do much to move her character along. It was nice to see at least one other regular character (Sayid) get some face time, but where the hell are Jin and Sun? This sort of plot gap makes this season feel a lot more disjointed than the prior two.

Ok so they gave us a mini cliffhanger to hold us over til Feb, but they really really need to start moving this along a bit better.

I think in the end, they have only just started to reveal what secrets the Island holds. I think there are more than just Others on the island. Perhaps the others split into two opposing factions. Perhaps eye-patch man is another entity altogether. Perhaps giant 4-toed foot statue people are on the island.

Still a lot ot be answered.

I also think I read somewhere that the first ep in the second half is going to be a Penelope episode. That should be interesting.

You might also say that lot of lingering questions actually have been answered. Where the Polar Bears came from, what the cable that Sayid found in the ocean was for, where the shark came from, where the Others live and how they live, how did the Others learn of the plane crash, when was Kate married and when did she take a pregancy test, etc…

Sawyer asked Kate if she was telling the truth when she said she loved him, or if she really lied just to stop the guy from hitting Sawyer. Then she didn’t answer him, but kissed him. Then he said, “I love you too”. However, I don’t think Kate really truly LOVES him like he wants her to…more like she just kissed him so she didn’t have to say she loved him…

more of my thoughts here… http://www.flipthisbody.com

I don’t understand why the writers seem to be so opposed to moving the plot along.

Will Locke find what he is looking for North? Is that how to find Jack, Kate, and Sawyer, or something else?

By reacting as they did to Jack’s threat to terminate Ben, it seems clear where the Others’ alliances stand. Tom and Pickett are on “Ben’s side”, and not “Juliet’s side”.

I was blown away by this amazing episode. There were more questions raised (and some were answered regarding Kate’s past). The hiatus is going to be rough.

OK, so we also found out that:
- Kate and Sawyer get it on. It seemed so forced to me… it’s one thing for Sawyer to profess his love for Kate, then have them kiss to test the waters and power of the ‘others’ that are holding them captive; it’s another to have them willingly hook up in Sawyer’s cage – watchful cameras and all.

Obviously there was a plan in place to have Jack conveniently see Kate and Sawyer in each other’s arms. And why did Jack grab only ONE gun when there was a whole closet full of them? That part made no sense since in the past he certainly would have known to do that.

I loved the expressions of Ben when he was wearing his glasses. Sinister, evil, and certainly much more going on than meets the eye. So Jack wasn’t on the original list – this was made sort of matter-of-fact, like a backhanded comment made in passing.

Those two ‘new’ characters we met a couple of episodes ago are wearing very thin on me. Three seasons in, I really detest having two new characters introduced and expected to interact with all the other main characters as though they were there the whole time. Where are Rose & Bernard??? Having them be there would be a great improvement and would make those scenes so much easier to watch.

Jack does the surgery on Ben, but then goes into business for himself while Ben is on the table. On the surface, this seems like a great plan – and a viable route for them to go. With Kate and Sawyer on the run with nearly an hour head start, where will they end up? I thought it was a nice nod to the very first episode with the story Jack told Kate.

Overall, I liked the episode, but I hated the Kate/Sawyer love scenes and I was more confused about why it was a Kate focussed episode. In the end all we learned about her that we didn’t already know is that she was trying to live the straight and narrow life while on the run, but ultimately she couldn’t do it.